A round earth

Many supporters of the FE theory (or critics of the RE theory; it's hard to differentiate between them sometimes) believe that gravity exists.

Now please consider the following article (found at http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99251.htm):

To a first-order approximation the Earth is round.  This
is due to gravity.  Gravity pulls with equal strength in all
directions; therefore any variations from a spherical
shape will lead to gravitational forces that
bring the shape back into that of a sphere.
 
This is without considering the rotation of the earth,
however.  The rotation of the earth adds centrifugal
effects, which cause the earth to bulge slightly at
its equator and flatten slightly at its poles.
(This is like twirling a rock on the end of a string
and then letting go--the rock flies away from the
twirler.)  Because of these centrifugal effects, the
distance from the center of the earth to the surface
of the earth is about 0.33% shorter at the poles
compared to the equator.

Now, if gravity:

1. Exists;
2. Is known to mold massive bodies (like earth) into spherical-looking objects by pulling with equal strength in all directions,

then how can you explain a flat earth?

Assuming gravity exists on Earth makes a flat Earth virtually impossible, so we don't.

If you assume that gravity does not exist, then how do planets, stars, interstellar gas, dust and plasma keep approximately the same distance between each other? What holds a galaxy together?

It's not real.  It's just a tool of the conspiracy.

1. How do you know that?
2. If that were true, then what about the planets in our solar system? For example, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, the moon, and the sun can be observed with the naked eye; we can measure the distances between them, as well as the distance between each one of them and earth - it has stayed constant over time. In the absence of gravity, why would they stay at the same approximate distance from each other and from earth?

If you assume that gravity does not exist, then how do planets, stars, interstellar gas, dust and plasma keep approximately the same distance between each other? What holds a galaxy together?

I didn't say we assume that gravity does not exist, I said we don't assume that it does exist. It is not yet known whether other stars or galaxies exert a gravitational pull on each-other.

So how does an FE'er explain why the distances between Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, the moon, the sun and Earth stayed the same over time (these are observable with the naked eye).

In the FE theory Earth certainly doesn't have gravity, as for the rest of the universe, it isn't yet known, possibly other planets, stars, and galaxies do exert gravitational force on one another.

Edit: Sorry, I was replying to your other post.

Edit: Sorry, I was replying to your other post.

It's ok, no worries, but what about:

So how does an FE'er explain why the distances between Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, the moon, the sun and Earth stayed the same over time (these are observable with the naked eye)?

In the FE theory Earth certainly doesn't have gravity, as for the rest of the universe, it isn't yet known, possibly other planets, stars, and galaxies do exert gravitational force on one another.

So, how does that make sense? Why does the earth have no gravity but everywhere else does?

So, how does that make sense? Why does the earth have no gravity but everywhere else does?

Please explain why Earth should have gravity simply because other planets do.

Because it's a planet, saying that it isn't the same is like saying just because everyone has skin, doesn't mean everyone should have it.

There is no valid reason why it shouldn't and no logic to why we should assume every other planet has gravity and ours doesn't. It is a general characteristic among planets, it's not one of those specific characteristics that makes a planet unique.

Because it's a planet, saying that it isn't the same is like saying just because everyone has skin, doesn't mean everyone should have it.

No, that is not the same thing at all.

There is no valid reason why it shouldn't and no logic to why we should assume every other planet has gravity and ours doesn't. It is a general characteristic among planets, it's not one of those specific characteristics that makes a planet unique.

How can you show that gravity is a general characteristic among planets, without first proving that Earth actually has gravity?

We know that it is a common characteristic among the planets and one of the things gravity does is when you jump you come back down. So if we do that here, on a planet, there is no reason to assume it is not gravity.

I'm sure if we looked at the list of things gravity does on a planet and proved them all to happen on earth, you would still not be satisfied which therefore makes this a close minded and senseless argument.

We know that it is a common characteristic among the planets and one of the things gravity does is when you jump you come back down. So if we do that here, on a planet, there is no reason to assume it is not gravity.

How do we know that is a characteristic of gravity? Couldn't it just as easily be a characteristic of Earth's constant acceleration?

I'm sure if we looked at the list of things gravity does on a planet and proved them all to happen on earth, you would still not be satisfied which therefore makes this a close minded and senseless argument.

The FE theory says that the things gravity does to a planet don't happen on Earth, meaning that you have to show that they do. I would be perfectly satisfied if you could show me that everything that gravity does to other planets it does to Earth as well, I just doubt that you can.

We know that it is a common characteristic among the planets and one of the things gravity does is when you jump you come back down. So if we do that here, on a planet, there is no reason to assume it is not gravity.

Of course, then again, there is absolutely no reason to assume that it IS gravity either. Gravity is a completely unexplained phenomenon on the Round Earth Model.

I'm sure if we looked at the list of things gravity does on a planet and proved them all to happen on earth, you would still not be satisfied which therefore makes this a close minded and senseless argument.

I do believe it is you who is being close-minded. For example:

If I say that I'm going to throw a baseball at a guy and I promise it'll fly into his glove, and then it hits him in the face, I can say it's the wind. Can the wind make a ball do that? Probably, if it was strong enough. Is it logical? Not at all.
Same with what you're saying. Is it possible that gravity causes all odd phenomena that we experience on Earth? Yes; I highly doubt anyone's rejecting the possibility. But is it logical? Au contrare.

~D-Draw

If I say that I'm going to throw a baseball at a guy and I promise it'll fly into his glove, and then it hits him in the face, I can say it's the wind. Can the wind make a ball do that? Probably, if it was strong enough. Is it logical? Not at all.
Same with what you're saying. Is it possible that gravity causes all odd phenomena that we experience on Earth? Yes; I highly doubt anyone's rejecting the possibility. But is it logical? Au contrare.

That didn't make a speck of sense. In your example, all you have to do is measure wind speed. The statment made was about comparing several planets togheter, your analogy is a single entity performing an action upon a 2nd entity, there isn't any comparison involved.

The FE theory says that the things gravity does to a planet don't happen on Earth, meaning that you have to show that they do. I would be perfectly satisfied if you could show me that everything that gravity does to other planets it does to Earth as well, I just doubt that you can.

give me a list of stuff gravity does and ill show you it does happen on earth. Of course they have to be possible with the stated gravitational force of the earth, otherwise they are just not possible. Yeah i know its stated for the round earth but that's what I'm trying to prove so of course I'm going to use it.

give me a list of stuff gravity does and ill show you it does happen on earth. Of course they have to be possible with the stated gravitational force of the earth, otherwise they are just not possible. Yeah i know its stated for the round earth but that's what I'm trying to prove so of course I'm going to use it.

It pulls objects into spheres. Obviously if Earth is flat this doesn't happen.

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give me a list of stuff gravity does and ill show you it does happen on earth. Of course they have to be possible with the stated gravitational force of the earth, otherwise they are just not possible. Yeah i know its stated for the round earth but that's what I'm trying to prove so of course I'm going to use it.

It pulls objects into spheres. Obviously if Earth is flat this doesn't happen.

Obviously if it does, earth is not flat.

So, how about showing us the earth's gravitational field?

We are deviating from the topic.

Let's figure out first how FE'ers explain the fact that the distance between earth - which is assumed not to have gravity (GeoGuy: In the FE theory Earth certainly doesn't have gravity) - and other planets like Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, stayed constant over time. In other words, if earth has no gravity then what's holding it in line with other bodies in our solar system? Why doesn't it just follow a random pattern or at least get closer or further away from these other bodies?

We are deviating from the topic.

Let's figure out first how FE'ers explain the fact that the distance between earth - which is assumed not to have gravity (GeoGuy: In the FE theory Earth certainly doesn't have gravity) - and other planets like Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, stayed constant over time. In other words, if earth has no gravity then what's holding it in line with other bodies in our solar system? Why doesn't it just follow a random pattern or at least get closer or further away from these other bodies?

uh...actually the distance between the earth and any other celestial body is none constant, the distance changes all the time. dont mean to shoot you down man but just need to point it out

I'm talking about relevant distances... as in, if there was no "gravity" holding the earth at a fairly constant distance from the other planets, then earth would not stay in the solar system or the changes in distances between these bodies would be completely random. Rather, earth and the other planets in our solar system kept a fairly "stable" distance from one another. In the absence of gravity, how would these distances stay the same?