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davidbloop

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Questions about method of belief.
« on: November 14, 2012, 07:06:08 PM »
So from what I can gather, you all believe the Earth is flat because it looks flat. I have even seen people say this constitutes 'proof' of it.

So why don't you believe the sun sets below the horizon when it looks like it sets. Instead you call it an optical illusion. Could it not be possible that if your eyes are tricking you in one scenario the same could be happening in another?



Do you just change your methods depending on what does or does not support your original idea?
I'm just wondering how you can differentiate between what your eyes are telling the truth about and what they are lying about.


I also notice that no photo or video is considered evidence because all lenses have distortion. Well what about the distortion on the lens of your eye? If your own eyes have lenses, this would also mean that what you see yourselves also cannot be used as evidence even in your own mind. Yes the distortion of a human's eye is very minimal, so much so that we have a hard time detecting it, but so is the lens of a lot of cameras.

So by the same logic because your eyes have lenses, the fact the world looks flat is not compelling evidence, not even to yourself.

I'm wondering since this is such a 'scientific' debate and all, how inconsistencies like this happen.
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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2012, 07:14:15 PM »
FEers will say that "because the earth is flat, the setting sun must be an illusion.". They debunk NASA with the same argument. Come to think of it, anything that doesn't appear to comply with FE falls into one of three categories.

1.Conspiracy

2.Illusion

3.Alternate physics
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davidbloop

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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2012, 07:17:29 PM »
I also predict the answer of 'humans are not cameras just like how a rabbit is not a 15th century Irish farmer"
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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2012, 07:41:04 PM »
I've heard "Other planets are not earth the same way humans are not cats.". That's almost word for word. I had asked why all other celestial bodies were round but earth wasn't. 
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davidbloop

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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2012, 07:42:18 PM »
It's a wonderful world we live in isnt it.
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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2012, 07:50:04 PM »
I feel like no FEers are online. There is a crapload of RE dominated threads right now.
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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2012, 08:20:25 PM »
Quote from: davidbloop on November 14, 2012, 07:06:08 PM
I'm just wondering how you can differentiate between what your eyes are telling the truth about and what they are lying about.

My eyes are telling the truth about everything and lying about nothing.
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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2012, 08:23:35 PM »
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on November 14, 2012, 08:20:25 PM
Quote from: davidbloop on November 14, 2012, 07:06:08 PM
I'm just wondering how you can differentiate between what your eyes are telling the truth about and what they are lying about.

My eyes are telling the truth about everything and lying about nothing.

Like how half the sun can be cut off by the earth?
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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2012, 08:37:01 PM »
Saying that your eyes are lying by not detecting the minute curvature of the earth is like saying that your ears are lying to you when you think that there's complete silence around you. That's more of an omission of truth due to ignorance than a lie.
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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2012, 08:38:20 PM »
Quote from: burdenofproof on November 14, 2012, 08:23:35 PM
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on November 14, 2012, 08:20:25 PM
Quote from: davidbloop on November 14, 2012, 07:06:08 PM
I'm just wondering how you can differentiate between what your eyes are telling the truth about and what they are lying about.

My eyes are telling the truth about everything and lying about nothing.

Like how half the sun can be cut off by the earth?

Even during a sunset my eyes are telling me the truth.
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Quote from: wise on August 21, 2018, 11:47:45 PM
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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2012, 08:47:31 PM »
That's a pretty vague response. Can you do more than constantly insist the earth is flat because your eyes say so?

Let's put this another way. If you were never introduced to the cosmology of ENaG what would be your hypothesis regarding motion of major celestial objects like the sun, moon, and stars?
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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2012, 08:55:24 PM »
Quote from: randomism on November 14, 2012, 08:47:31 PM
That's a pretty vague response. Can you do more than constantly insist the earth is flat because your eyes say so?

Let's put this another way. If you were never introduced to the cosmology of ENaG what would be your hypothesis regarding motion of major celestial objects like the sun, moon, and stars?

As a zetetic I tend to distrust the very notion of a hypothesis.
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Quote from: wise on August 21, 2018, 11:47:45 PM
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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2012, 09:03:52 PM »
But your entire premise, that there's no curvature of the earth because you can't see any, is a hypothesis. It's a proposed explanation for a phenomena. "I don't see curvature; one possible explanation for this is that there is no curvature." What you should do from here is gather more observations to rule out other explanations, rather than following that the absence of evidence is the proof of absence.
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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2012, 09:21:55 PM »
Quote from: randomism on November 14, 2012, 09:03:52 PM
But your entire premise, that there's no curvature of the earth because you can't see any, is a hypothesis. It's a proposed explanation for a phenomena.

No it's not.  It's more a description of what I observe.  It's a statement of fact.
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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2012, 09:28:56 PM »
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on November 14, 2012, 08:20:25 PM
Quote from: davidbloop on November 14, 2012, 07:06:08 PM
I'm just wondering how you can differentiate between what your eyes are telling the truth about and what they are lying about.

My eyes are telling the truth about everything and lying about nothing.

Actually your eyes are part of a conspiracy, you should not listen to them
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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2012, 11:25:07 PM »
Guys, Roundy is joking, he uses FE'ers "argumentation" methods to show you how silly they are  :P

Actually he's not that wrong depending on how you phrase it : Eyes are telling you the truth... about the light that they detect.
But eyes are not the brain, they can't analyse what they see. FE'ers certainly have good and sane eyes.

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davidbloop

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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #16 on: November 14, 2012, 11:28:18 PM »
It doesn't matter either way.


If a camera is not evidence because of lens distortion, eyes cannot be considered evidence because of lens distortion.
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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2012, 10:46:39 AM »
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on November 14, 2012, 09:21:55 PM
No it's not.  It's more a description of what I observe.  It's a statement of fact.

And if you were blind I suppose you'd think there was no earth at all?

It's not a description of what you observe, it's a description of what you don't observe. Anyone with the least bit of intellectual openness should be willing to accept that failure to observe something is not a contradiction of its existence. There is nothing in RET, in accordance with everything else we know about physics, that suggests your eyes should have detected curvature of the earth. Can you offer a zetetic justification?
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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2012, 06:46:42 PM »
Quote from: randomism on November 15, 2012, 10:46:39 AM
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on November 14, 2012, 09:21:55 PM
No it's not.  It's more a description of what I observe.  It's a statement of fact.

And if you were blind I suppose you'd think there was no earth at all?

Don't be silly.  I can use my other senses to observe the presence of the Earth too.

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It's not a description of what you observe, it's a description of what you don't observe. Anyone with the least bit of intellectual openness should be willing to accept that failure to observe something is not a contradiction of its existence. There is nothing in RET, in accordance with everything else we know about physics, that suggests your eyes should have detected curvature of the earth. Can you offer a zetetic justification?

It is a description of what I observe.  I observe a flat Earth.  That a round Earth would also appear flat is completely irrelevant.  A round Earth is not what I observe.  As I have pointed out many times, including in this thread, give me some rock-hard evidence that the Earth is round and I will change my view.  It's not my fault you folks have failed miserably in doing such a thing.
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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #19 on: November 17, 2012, 04:09:31 AM »
Quote from: davidbloop on November 14, 2012, 11:28:18 PM
It doesn't matter either way.


If a camera is not evidence because of lens distortion, eyes cannot be considered evidence because of lens distortion.
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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #20 on: November 17, 2012, 07:15:30 AM »
Quote from: randomism on November 15, 2012, 10:46:39 AM
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on November 14, 2012, 09:21:55 PM
No it's not.  It's more a description of what I observe.  It's a statement of fact.

And if you were blind I suppose you'd think there was no earth at all?

It's not a description of what you observe, it's a description of what you don't observe. Anyone with the least bit of intellectual openness should be willing to accept that failure to observe something is not a contradiction of its existence. There is nothing in RET, in accordance with everything else we know about physics, that suggests your eyes should have detected curvature of the earth. Can you offer a zetetic justification?

Were he blind he would think there both was an earth and wasn't one. Simultaneously

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Don't be silly.  I can use my other senses to observe the presence of the Earth too.


Shut up. Sarcasm is useless here.


Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on November 15, 2012, 06:46:42 PM
Quote from: randomism on November 15, 2012, 10:46:39 AM
Quote from: Roundy the Truthinessist on November 14, 2012, 09:21:55 PM
No it's not.  It's more a description of what I observe.  It's a statement of fact.

And if you were blind I suppose you'd think there was no earth at all?

Don't be silly.  I can use my other senses to observe the presence of the Earth too.

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It's not a description of what you observe, it's a description of what you don't observe. Anyone with the least bit of intellectual openness should be willing to accept that failure to observe something is not a contradiction of its existence. There is nothing in RET, in accordance with everything else we know about physics, that suggests your eyes should have detected curvature of the earth. Can you offer a zetetic justification?

It is a description of what I observe.  I observe a flat Earth.  That a round Earth would also appear flat is completely irrelevant.  A round Earth is not what I observe.  As I have pointed out many times, including in this thread, give me some rock-hard evidence that the Earth is round and I will change my view.  It's not my fault you folks have failed miserably in doing such a thing.



You don't see any posts that we've won because you ignore them and they sink to the other pages of threads.
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Re: Questions about method of belief.
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2012, 09:39:19 AM »
Quote from: davidbloop on November 17, 2012, 04:09:31 AM
Quote from: davidbloop on November 14, 2012, 11:28:18 PM
It doesn't matter either way.


If a camera is not evidence because of lens distortion, eyes cannot be considered evidence because of lens distortion.

Yes our eyes are just as distorting as fish eye lenses  ::)
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