meteorology

Quote from: tony1kenobi on November 12, 2012, 05:08:05 PM

Glad you all settled that. What Ive been wondering ever since I first discovered the FE forum is this (& perhaps it is also part of burdenofproofs point/query).

Besides just the meteorologists, how is it that the majority of (mainstream) scientists, dating back hundreds of years, decided/discovered (through much scientific inquiry) that the earth is spherical? Where talking about smart people here. Some beyond smart and some genius!

This is not to say that FE believers do not have intelligent and scientific minds amongst you but the question remains .. how were, and how are, so many people so easily fooled by a RE conspiracy and how could such a wide-spread and long standing conspiracy hold together and prevent mainstream scientists from ever discovering the truth for themselves? Surely someone of note, and the balls to contradict such a widely held belief as a spherical earth, would have seen that its all wrong and stood up to say something by now? To me it sounds as if this conspiracy must be far greater and more devious than any other believed to exist.

I understand that your everyday man might not feel the need to question the nature of the world around them, but there are so many people who dedicate their entire lives to discovering the "truth" through hard science, through specific branches of science like meteorology and many others that are all interlinked by logic and reason as well as straight-forward observation.

It seems to me that to entirely dismiss the notion of a spherical earth and the forces that act within and around it (such as gravitation), is to also dismiss a very large section of the other areas of science as well. I respect FE theorists for the effort though.

You are asking how brainwashing works.  I suppose to find the answer, you only need to study religion.  When you have been told something enough times, you actually start to believe it.

You can't draw an analogy between religion and this conspiracy. Religion is it's own special conspiracy. It is unique because it can't be 100% disproven beyond all doubt through means of observation, and that the risks involved with your belief in the conspiracy are so great. For instance, it is incredibly easy to "scare" somebody into religion but nobody is trying to scare anybody into this conspiracy.

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 05:49:25 PM

Quote from: tony1kenobi on November 12, 2012, 05:08:05 PM

Glad you all settled that. What Ive been wondering ever since I first discovered the FE forum is this (& perhaps it is also part of burdenofproofs point/query).

Besides just the meteorologists, how is it that the majority of (mainstream) scientists, dating back hundreds of years, decided/discovered (through much scientific inquiry) that the earth is spherical? Where talking about smart people here. Some beyond smart and some genius!

This is not to say that FE believers do not have intelligent and scientific minds amongst you but the question remains .. how were, and how are, so many people so easily fooled by a RE conspiracy and how could such a wide-spread and long standing conspiracy hold together and prevent mainstream scientists from ever discovering the truth for themselves? Surely someone of note, and the balls to contradict such a widely held belief as a spherical earth, would have seen that its all wrong and stood up to say something by now? To me it sounds as if this conspiracy must be far greater and more devious than any other believed to exist.

I understand that your everyday man might not feel the need to question the nature of the world around them, but there are so many people who dedicate their entire lives to discovering the "truth" through hard science, through specific branches of science like meteorology and many others that are all interlinked by logic and reason as well as straight-forward observation.

It seems to me that to entirely dismiss the notion of a spherical earth and the forces that act within and around it (such as gravitation), is to also dismiss a very large section of the other areas of science as well. I respect FE theorists for the effort though.

You are asking how brainwashing works.  I suppose to find the answer, you only need to study religion.  When you have been told something enough times, you actually start to believe it.

You can't draw an analogy between religion and this conspiracy. Religion is it's own special conspiracy. It is unique because it can't be 100% disproven beyond all doubt through means of observation, and that the risks involved with your belief in the conspiracy are so great. For instance, it is incredibly easy to "scare" somebody into religion but nobody is trying to scare anybody into this conspiracy.

Your analogy is completely flawed.  People are not generally scared into religion.  They are taught from an early age the origin of the world, life, and the afterlife.  People start to believe it after a while. 

The same is true about the conspiracy.  You are taught from an early age the origin of the universe, the shape of the world, and a magical force called gravity.  After a while, you just accept that it is true and stop questioning these topics.

Quote from: burdenofproof on November 12, 2012, 06:31:06 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 05:49:25 PM

Quote from: tony1kenobi on November 12, 2012, 05:08:05 PM

Glad you all settled that. What Ive been wondering ever since I first discovered the FE forum is this (& perhaps it is also part of burdenofproofs point/query).

Besides just the meteorologists, how is it that the majority of (mainstream) scientists, dating back hundreds of years, decided/discovered (through much scientific inquiry) that the earth is spherical? Where talking about smart people here. Some beyond smart and some genius!

This is not to say that FE believers do not have intelligent and scientific minds amongst you but the question remains .. how were, and how are, so many people so easily fooled by a RE conspiracy and how could such a wide-spread and long standing conspiracy hold together and prevent mainstream scientists from ever discovering the truth for themselves? Surely someone of note, and the balls to contradict such a widely held belief as a spherical earth, would have seen that its all wrong and stood up to say something by now? To me it sounds as if this conspiracy must be far greater and more devious than any other believed to exist.

I understand that your everyday man might not feel the need to question the nature of the world around them, but there are so many people who dedicate their entire lives to discovering the "truth" through hard science, through specific branches of science like meteorology and many others that are all interlinked by logic and reason as well as straight-forward observation.

It seems to me that to entirely dismiss the notion of a spherical earth and the forces that act within and around it (such as gravitation), is to also dismiss a very large section of the other areas of science as well. I respect FE theorists for the effort though.

You are asking how brainwashing works.  I suppose to find the answer, you only need to study religion.  When you have been told something enough times, you actually start to believe it.

You can't draw an analogy between religion and this conspiracy. Religion is it's own special conspiracy. It is unique because it can't be 100% disproven beyond all doubt through means of observation, and that the risks involved with your belief in the conspiracy are so great. For instance, it is incredibly easy to "scare" somebody into religion but nobody is trying to scare anybody into this conspiracy.

Your analogy is completely flawed.  People are not generally scared into religion.  They are taught from an early age the origin of the world, life, and the afterlife.  People start to believe it after a while. 

The same is true about the conspiracy.  You are taught from an early age the origin of the universe, the shape of the world, and a magical force called gravity.  After a while, you just accept that it is true and stop questioning these topics.

I never made an analogy. I simply stated why I thought yours was flawed. But ok, I can see how the whole childhood indoctrination thing is relevant in both cases. But the motives in the indoctrination are completely different. At what point in the RE conspiracy do your parents say "If you don't believe the earth is round you'll burn forever in hell."?

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 06:49:03 PM

Quote from: burdenofproof on November 12, 2012, 06:31:06 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 05:49:25 PM

Quote from: tony1kenobi on November 12, 2012, 05:08:05 PM

Glad you all settled that. What Ive been wondering ever since I first discovered the FE forum is this (& perhaps it is also part of burdenofproofs point/query).

Besides just the meteorologists, how is it that the majority of (mainstream) scientists, dating back hundreds of years, decided/discovered (through much scientific inquiry) that the earth is spherical? Where talking about smart people here. Some beyond smart and some genius!

This is not to say that FE believers do not have intelligent and scientific minds amongst you but the question remains .. how were, and how are, so many people so easily fooled by a RE conspiracy and how could such a wide-spread and long standing conspiracy hold together and prevent mainstream scientists from ever discovering the truth for themselves? Surely someone of note, and the balls to contradict such a widely held belief as a spherical earth, would have seen that its all wrong and stood up to say something by now? To me it sounds as if this conspiracy must be far greater and more devious than any other believed to exist.

I understand that your everyday man might not feel the need to question the nature of the world around them, but there are so many people who dedicate their entire lives to discovering the "truth" through hard science, through specific branches of science like meteorology and many others that are all interlinked by logic and reason as well as straight-forward observation.

It seems to me that to entirely dismiss the notion of a spherical earth and the forces that act within and around it (such as gravitation), is to also dismiss a very large section of the other areas of science as well. I respect FE theorists for the effort though.

You are asking how brainwashing works.  I suppose to find the answer, you only need to study religion.  When you have been told something enough times, you actually start to believe it.

You can't draw an analogy between religion and this conspiracy. Religion is it's own special conspiracy. It is unique because it can't be 100% disproven beyond all doubt through means of observation, and that the risks involved with your belief in the conspiracy are so great. For instance, it is incredibly easy to "scare" somebody into religion but nobody is trying to scare anybody into this conspiracy.

Your analogy is completely flawed.  People are not generally scared into religion.  They are taught from an early age the origin of the world, life, and the afterlife.  People start to believe it after a while. 

The same is true about the conspiracy.  You are taught from an early age the origin of the universe, the shape of the world, and a magical force called gravity.  After a while, you just accept that it is true and stop questioning these topics.

I never made an analogy. I simply stated why I thought yours was flawed. But ok, I can see how the whole childhood indoctrination thing is relevant in both cases. But the motives in the indoctrination are completely different. At what point in the RE conspiracy do your parents say "If you don't believe the earth is round you'll burn forever in hell."?

Again, you don't have to be scared or threatened to believe something.  You are trying to say that religion controls people by threatening their immortal souls to punishment for eternity.  Yes, some religions do that, but not all. 

I knew some people who were very racist back when I lived in Alabama.  Their parents were racist.  Their grandparents were racist.  They grew up hearing about inferior races their whole lives.  They also thought the Earth was round.

Quote from: burdenofproof on November 12, 2012, 07:12:04 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 06:49:03 PM

Quote from: burdenofproof on November 12, 2012, 06:31:06 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 05:49:25 PM

Quote from: tony1kenobi on November 12, 2012, 05:08:05 PM

Glad you all settled that. What Ive been wondering ever since I first discovered the FE forum is this (& perhaps it is also part of burdenofproofs point/query).

Besides just the meteorologists, how is it that the majority of (mainstream) scientists, dating back hundreds of years, decided/discovered (through much scientific inquiry) that the earth is spherical? Where talking about smart people here. Some beyond smart and some genius!

This is not to say that FE believers do not have intelligent and scientific minds amongst you but the question remains .. how were, and how are, so many people so easily fooled by a RE conspiracy and how could such a wide-spread and long standing conspiracy hold together and prevent mainstream scientists from ever discovering the truth for themselves? Surely someone of note, and the balls to contradict such a widely held belief as a spherical earth, would have seen that its all wrong and stood up to say something by now? To me it sounds as if this conspiracy must be far greater and more devious than any other believed to exist.

I understand that your everyday man might not feel the need to question the nature of the world around them, but there are so many people who dedicate their entire lives to discovering the "truth" through hard science, through specific branches of science like meteorology and many others that are all interlinked by logic and reason as well as straight-forward observation.

It seems to me that to entirely dismiss the notion of a spherical earth and the forces that act within and around it (such as gravitation), is to also dismiss a very large section of the other areas of science as well. I respect FE theorists for the effort though.

You are asking how brainwashing works.  I suppose to find the answer, you only need to study religion.  When you have been told something enough times, you actually start to believe it.

You can't draw an analogy between religion and this conspiracy. Religion is it's own special conspiracy. It is unique because it can't be 100% disproven beyond all doubt through means of observation, and that the risks involved with your belief in the conspiracy are so great. For instance, it is incredibly easy to "scare" somebody into religion but nobody is trying to scare anybody into this conspiracy.

Your analogy is completely flawed.  People are not generally scared into religion.  They are taught from an early age the origin of the world, life, and the afterlife.  People start to believe it after a while. 

The same is true about the conspiracy.  You are taught from an early age the origin of the universe, the shape of the world, and a magical force called gravity.  After a while, you just accept that it is true and stop questioning these topics.

I never made an analogy. I simply stated why I thought yours was flawed. But ok, I can see how the whole childhood indoctrination thing is relevant in both cases. But the motives in the indoctrination are completely different. At what point in the RE conspiracy do your parents say "If you don't believe the earth is round you'll burn forever in hell."?

Again, you don't have to be scared or threatened to believe something.  You are trying to say that religion controls people by threatening their immortal souls to punishment for eternity.  Yes, some religions do that, but not all. 

I knew some people who were very racist back when I lived in Alabama.  Their parents were racist.  Their grandparents were racist.  They grew up hearing about inferior races their whole lives.  They also thought the Earth was round.

I still believe these two "conspiracies" are fundamentally different. One ultimately can be proven/disproven whilst the other can't. But I will concede that you are right about the whole indoctrination process. For me personally, if nobody had ever claimed to achieve space flight, I might be on the fence in regards to what I thought earth's shape was. I guess I have too much faith in human honesty/integrity, or maybe you have too little.

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 07:27:24 PM

Quote from: burdenofproof on November 12, 2012, 07:12:04 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 06:49:03 PM

Quote from: burdenofproof on November 12, 2012, 06:31:06 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 05:49:25 PM

Quote from: tony1kenobi on November 12, 2012, 05:08:05 PM

Glad you all settled that. What Ive been wondering ever since I first discovered the FE forum is this (& perhaps it is also part of burdenofproofs point/query).

Besides just the meteorologists, how is it that the majority of (mainstream) scientists, dating back hundreds of years, decided/discovered (through much scientific inquiry) that the earth is spherical? Where talking about smart people here. Some beyond smart and some genius!

This is not to say that FE believers do not have intelligent and scientific minds amongst you but the question remains .. how were, and how are, so many people so easily fooled by a RE conspiracy and how could such a wide-spread and long standing conspiracy hold together and prevent mainstream scientists from ever discovering the truth for themselves? Surely someone of note, and the balls to contradict such a widely held belief as a spherical earth, would have seen that its all wrong and stood up to say something by now? To me it sounds as if this conspiracy must be far greater and more devious than any other believed to exist.

I understand that your everyday man might not feel the need to question the nature of the world around them, but there are so many people who dedicate their entire lives to discovering the "truth" through hard science, through specific branches of science like meteorology and many others that are all interlinked by logic and reason as well as straight-forward observation.

It seems to me that to entirely dismiss the notion of a spherical earth and the forces that act within and around it (such as gravitation), is to also dismiss a very large section of the other areas of science as well. I respect FE theorists for the effort though.

You are asking how brainwashing works.  I suppose to find the answer, you only need to study religion.  When you have been told something enough times, you actually start to believe it.

You can't draw an analogy between religion and this conspiracy. Religion is it's own special conspiracy. It is unique because it can't be 100% disproven beyond all doubt through means of observation, and that the risks involved with your belief in the conspiracy are so great. For instance, it is incredibly easy to "scare" somebody into religion but nobody is trying to scare anybody into this conspiracy.

Your analogy is completely flawed.  People are not generally scared into religion.  They are taught from an early age the origin of the world, life, and the afterlife.  People start to believe it after a while. 

The same is true about the conspiracy.  You are taught from an early age the origin of the universe, the shape of the world, and a magical force called gravity.  After a while, you just accept that it is true and stop questioning these topics.

I never made an analogy. I simply stated why I thought yours was flawed. But ok, I can see how the whole childhood indoctrination thing is relevant in both cases. But the motives in the indoctrination are completely different. At what point in the RE conspiracy do your parents say "If you don't believe the earth is round you'll burn forever in hell."?

Again, you don't have to be scared or threatened to believe something.  You are trying to say that religion controls people by threatening their immortal souls to punishment for eternity.  Yes, some religions do that, but not all. 

I knew some people who were very racist back when I lived in Alabama.  Their parents were racist.  Their grandparents were racist.  They grew up hearing about inferior races their whole lives.  They also thought the Earth was round.

I still believe these two "conspiracies" are fundamentally different. One ultimately can be proven/disproven whilst the other can't. But I will concede that you are right about the whole indoctrination process. For me personally, if nobody had ever claimed to achieve space flight, I might be on the fence in regards to what I thought earth's shape was. I guess I have too much faith in human honesty/integrity, or maybe you have too little.

Let me ask you a serious question.  On a scale of 0 to 100%, what percentage of the information you are presented with by the government would you say is completely honest?

50%. But i believe the lies they tell are little white lies that they think they can get away with.

I would have said around %50 percent as well.  Just enough to be credible, but still be able to control your thinking.

It seems to me that religion has a definite and evident purpose. Racism also has a fairly definite and evident cause. What is the purpose of the RE conspiracy? Why would NASA spend so much money and resources firing rockets into space? What would be the great harm in letting people know the truth?

My personal answer is that the purpose of the conspiracy is so that a hand full of people can control the world. 

My personal answer is that the purpose of the conspiracy is so that a hand full of people can control the world.

Beyond decieving the public, what "control" do they have?

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 08:12:16 PM

My personal answer is that the purpose of the conspiracy is so that a hand full of people can control the world.

Beyond decieving the public, what "control" do they have?

Control over money, governments, social thinking, the distribution of power and wealth... actually, it sounds pretty good.

Quote from: burdenofproof on November 12, 2012, 08:20:33 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 08:12:16 PM

My personal answer is that the purpose of the conspiracy is so that a hand full of people can control the world.

Beyond decieving the public, what "control" do they have?

Control over money, governments, social thinking, the distribution of power and wealth... actually, it sounds pretty good.

The heads of the conspiracy would have more money than they need, even without the conspiracy. They are leaders of NASA, money isn't an issue. Social thinking is just deception, so that's not really anything. You may have to elaborate on the distribution, and how that would benefit them as individuals, seeing as the number of conspirators is small. I can see how controlling the government would benefit them, if you are implying they can pull funds for their "space adventures". But then again, they would be rich in the first place, so what's the point?

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 08:22:50 PM

Quote from: burdenofproof on November 12, 2012, 08:20:33 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 08:12:16 PM

My personal answer is that the purpose of the conspiracy is so that a hand full of people can control the world.

Beyond decieving the public, what "control" do they have?

Control over money, governments, social thinking, the distribution of power and wealth... actually, it sounds pretty good.

The heads of the conspiracy would have more money than they need, even without the conspiracy. They are leaders of NASA, money isn't an issue. Social thinking is just deception, so that's not really anything. You may have to elaborate on the distribution, and how that would benefit them as individuals, seeing as the number of conspirators is small. I can see how controlling the government would benefit them, if you are implying they can pull funds for their "space adventures". But then again, they would be rich in the first place, so what's the point?

More money means more means to complete their agenda.  Controlling the masses gives them power and allows them to lead the people in which ever direction they want.  Distribution means that they are buying allies.  Funding "space expeditions" gives them a way of accomplishing all of the above.

Quote from: burdenofproof on November 12, 2012, 08:28:00 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 08:22:50 PM

Quote from: burdenofproof on November 12, 2012, 08:20:33 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 08:12:16 PM

My personal answer is that the purpose of the conspiracy is so that a hand full of people can control the world.

Beyond decieving the public, what "control" do they have?

Control over money, governments, social thinking, the distribution of power and wealth... actually, it sounds pretty good.

The heads of the conspiracy would have more money than they need, even without the conspiracy. They are leaders of NASA, money isn't an issue. Social thinking is just deception, so that's not really anything. You may have to elaborate on the distribution, and how that would benefit them as individuals, seeing as the number of conspirators is small. I can see how controlling the government would benefit them, if you are implying they can pull funds for their "space adventures". But then again, they would be rich in the first place, so what's the point?

More money means more means to complete their agenda.  Controlling the masses gives them power and allows them to lead the people in which ever direction they want.  Distribution means that they are buying allies.  Funding "space expeditions" gives them a way of accomplishing all of the above.

So basically, a small group of people dictate the earth? I could be wrong, it just doesn't seem probable that they could get away with it for so long. It seems pessimistic if that's what you base your beliefs on, seeing as there's no tangible evidence for the conspiracy other than "the earth is flat, therefore NASA is a conspiracy."

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 08:41:51 PM

Quote from: burdenofproof on November 12, 2012, 08:28:00 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 08:22:50 PM

Quote from: burdenofproof on November 12, 2012, 08:20:33 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 08:12:16 PM

My personal answer is that the purpose of the conspiracy is so that a hand full of people can control the world.

Beyond decieving the public, what "control" do they have?

Control over money, governments, social thinking, the distribution of power and wealth... actually, it sounds pretty good.

The heads of the conspiracy would have more money than they need, even without the conspiracy. They are leaders of NASA, money isn't an issue. Social thinking is just deception, so that's not really anything. You may have to elaborate on the distribution, and how that would benefit them as individuals, seeing as the number of conspirators is small. I can see how controlling the government would benefit them, if you are implying they can pull funds for their "space adventures". But then again, they would be rich in the first place, so what's the point?

More money means more means to complete their agenda.  Controlling the masses gives them power and allows them to lead the people in which ever direction they want.  Distribution means that they are buying allies.  Funding "space expeditions" gives them a way of accomplishing all of the above.

So basically, a small group of people dictate the earth? I could be wrong, it just doesn't seem probable that they could get away with it for so long. It seems pessimistic if that's what you base your beliefs on, seeing as there's no tangible evidence for the conspiracy other than "the earth is flat, therefore NASA is a conspiracy."

Yes, a small group of people dictate the Earth.  Why does that seem improbable?  Gangsters have ruled towns before.  They were only brought down by an entity more powerful than themselves.  Who is more powerful than the conspiracy?

Quote from: burdenofproof on November 12, 2012, 08:50:02 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 08:41:51 PM

Quote from: burdenofproof on November 12, 2012, 08:28:00 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 08:22:50 PM

Quote from: burdenofproof on November 12, 2012, 08:20:33 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 08:12:16 PM

My personal answer is that the purpose of the conspiracy is so that a hand full of people can control the world.

Beyond decieving the public, what "control" do they have?

Control over money, governments, social thinking, the distribution of power and wealth... actually, it sounds pretty good.

The heads of the conspiracy would have more money than they need, even without the conspiracy. They are leaders of NASA, money isn't an issue. Social thinking is just deception, so that's not really anything. You may have to elaborate on the distribution, and how that would benefit them as individuals, seeing as the number of conspirators is small. I can see how controlling the government would benefit them, if you are implying they can pull funds for their "space adventures". But then again, they would be rich in the first place, so what's the point?

More money means more means to complete their agenda.  Controlling the masses gives them power and allows them to lead the people in which ever direction they want.  Distribution means that they are buying allies.  Funding "space expeditions" gives them a way of accomplishing all of the above.

So basically, a small group of people dictate the earth? I could be wrong, it just doesn't seem probable that they could get away with it for so long. It seems pessimistic if that's what you base your beliefs on, seeing as there's no tangible evidence for the conspiracy other than "the earth is flat, therefore NASA is a conspiracy."

Yes, a small group of people dictate the Earth.  Why does that seem improbable?  Gangsters have ruled towns before.  They were only brought down by an entity more powerful than themselves.  Who is more powerful than the conspiracy?

Don't you have guns? The people are more powerful. Don't be such a wuss.

Also, if they were brainwashing people to go what ever direction they wanted, wouldn't they be brainwashing them to give more money to the space program so that the people in charge could get more money? I mean, most people nowadays would rather watch honey boo-boo and jersey shore than a SLS rocket go up to bring cargo to the moon, or a Skylon launch to bring cargo to the ISS. The top thing searched on the internet this past year has been pron. Does the conspiracy own the entire pron industry as well?

For what is worth, I was not taught religion as a child. I have come to see God as God after living a futile life, and turned to Him after many years of self will. Jroa is right, the few(conspiracy) control the masses.

the conspiracy.

apart from saying "there must be a conspiracy", was there ever even a hint it actually exists?

the conspiracy.

apart from saying "there must be a conspiracy", was there ever even a hint it actually exists?

The terrorists are the hint. As well as Jesus.

you alll need to be a bit more precise

you alll need to be a bit more precise

Al Qaeida. And Jesus Christ.

How is it possible that very few people know that the earth is flat and space travel is a lie while there are millions of people over the world working based on that? They would at least know they are being lied to, don't you think someone would asked himself why is he being paid to be sitting in front of a computer that doesn't really do anything when sending stuff to the space is supposed to be a lot of very hard work?

Quote from: Flat Eric on November 13, 2012, 08:16:37 AM

you alll need to be a bit more precise

Al Qaeida. And Jesus Christ.

Now, let's try it again.  This time, in context.

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Quote from: Flat Eric on November 13, 2012, 08:16:37 AM

you alll need to be a bit more precise

Al Qaeida. And Jesus Christ.

Now, let's try it again.  This time, in context.

Al Qaeida forced Jesus Christ to convince the Americans and Russians to fake a space program and start the conspiracy to hide the shape of the earth. The heads of NASA are also the heads of Al Qaeida and they all use their money to force people to love Jesus Christ so that they have a reason to commit Jihad on the world and do what the Koran says and kill the infidels. Of course, this suggests and even larger conspiracy. But we wont go in to that.

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 08:54:20 PM

Quote from: burdenofproof on November 12, 2012, 08:50:02 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 08:41:51 PM

Quote from: burdenofproof on November 12, 2012, 08:28:00 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 08:22:50 PM

Quote from: burdenofproof on November 12, 2012, 08:20:33 PM

Quote from: jroa on November 12, 2012, 08:12:16 PM

My personal answer is that the purpose of the conspiracy is so that a hand full of people can control the world.

Beyond decieving the public, what "control" do they have?

Control over money, governments, social thinking, the distribution of power and wealth... actually, it sounds pretty good.

The heads of the conspiracy would have more money than they need, even without the conspiracy. They are leaders of NASA, money isn't an issue. Social thinking is just deception, so that's not really anything. You may have to elaborate on the distribution, and how that would benefit them as individuals, seeing as the number of conspirators is small. I can see how controlling the government would benefit them, if you are implying they can pull funds for their "space adventures". But then again, they would be rich in the first place, so what's the point?

More money means more means to complete their agenda.  Controlling the masses gives them power and allows them to lead the people in which ever direction they want.  Distribution means that they are buying allies.  Funding "space expeditions" gives them a way of accomplishing all of the above.

So basically, a small group of people dictate the earth? I could be wrong, it just doesn't seem probable that they could get away with it for so long. It seems pessimistic if that's what you base your beliefs on, seeing as there's no tangible evidence for the conspiracy other than "the earth is flat, therefore NASA is a conspiracy."

Yes, a small group of people dictate the Earth.  Why does that seem improbable?  Gangsters have ruled towns before.  They were only brought down by an entity more powerful than themselves.  Who is more powerful than the conspiracy?

Don't you have guns? The people are more powerful. Don't be such a wuss.

Also, if they were brainwashing people to go what ever direction they wanted, wouldn't they be brainwashing them to give more money to the space program so that the people in charge could get more money? I mean, most people nowadays would rather watch honey boo-boo and jersey shore than a SLS rocket go up to bring cargo to the moon, or a Skylon launch to bring cargo to the ISS. The top thing searched on the internet this past year has been pron. Does the conspiracy own the entire pron industry as well?

The conspiracy could very  well be in the pron business, but I have no knowledge of this and would only be speculating if I gave you an answer.

As for brainwashing, you don't seem to understand what brainwashing is.  The conspiracy is not hypnotizing people.  They could not make people want to give them their money.  They are feeding people misinformation in order to advance their agenda and funneling money from the space agencies.  They are not making people think they are chickens like a sideshow.

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My personal answer is that the purpose of the conspiracy is so that a hand full of people can control the world.

Beyond decieving the public, what "control" do they have?

Control over money, governments, social thinking, the distribution of power and wealth... actually, it sounds pretty good.

The heads of the conspiracy would have more money than they need, even without the conspiracy. They are leaders of NASA, money isn't an issue. Social thinking is just deception, so that's not really anything. You may have to elaborate on the distribution, and how that would benefit them as individuals, seeing as the number of conspirators is small. I can see how controlling the government would benefit them, if you are implying they can pull funds for their "space adventures". But then again, they would be rich in the first place, so what's the point?

More money means more means to complete their agenda.  Controlling the masses gives them power and allows them to lead the people in which ever direction they want.  Distribution means that they are buying allies.  Funding "space expeditions" gives them a way of accomplishing all of the above.

So basically, a small group of people dictate the earth? I could be wrong, it just doesn't seem probable that they could get away with it for so long. It seems pessimistic if that's what you base your beliefs on, seeing as there's no tangible evidence for the conspiracy other than "the earth is flat, therefore NASA is a conspiracy."

Yes, a small group of people dictate the Earth.  Why does that seem improbable?  Gangsters have ruled towns before.  They were only brought down by an entity more powerful than themselves.  Who is more powerful than the conspiracy?

Don't you have guns? The people are more powerful. Don't be such a wuss.

Also, if they were brainwashing people to go what ever direction they wanted, wouldn't they be brainwashing them to give more money to the space program so that the people in charge could get more money? I mean, most people nowadays would rather watch honey boo-boo and jersey shore than a SLS rocket go up to bring cargo to the moon, or a Skylon launch to bring cargo to the ISS. The top thing searched on the internet this past year has been pron. Does the conspiracy own the entire pron industry as well?

The conspiracy could very  well be in the pron business, but I have no knowledge of this and would only be speculating if I gave you an answer.

As for brainwashing, you don't seem to understand what brainwashing is.  The conspiracy is not hypnotizing people.  They could not make people want to give them their money.  They are feeding people misinformation in order to advance their agenda and funneling money from the space agencies.  They are not making people think they are chickens like a sideshow.

No, I understand brainwashing. What I'm trying to say is that if they were doing it well, they'd be making enough money to send manned missions, not cheap robotic missions.

No, I understand brainwashing. What I'm trying to say is that if they were doing it well, they'd be making enough money to send manned missions, not cheap robotic missions.

They don't do any missions, they're fake.