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Should I....

Keep the '65 289 block(if salvagable)
0 (0%)
Find a '68 casted 302 block
4 (36.4%)
Purchase a used 302 block
4 (36.4%)
Purchase a new 302 block
3 (27.3%)

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I have a conundrum

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WardoggKC130FE

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I have a conundrum
« on: March 30, 2011, 02:25:58 PM »
10 years ago I purchased a 1968 Ford Mustang.  The previous owner (unsure of his actual position in ownership) told me the car had the original 302ci engine, which had only been overhauled once, and C4 3speed automatic transmission.  The car was in very good shape and at the time the motor was solid.  I drove the car regularly, kept up with the normal routine maintenance on it, added a couple of headers, and had no problems.  Until 6 months ago I was driving home on the highway when the car suddenly lost about 50% of its power and was making some horrendous noises.  I limped the car home, less than a mile and parked it.  After pulling the valve covers off found that one of the rockers arms was busted and a bent pushrod.

So I pulled the engine apart somewhat, replaced all the lifters, the bent pushrod and both rocker arms on that cylinder.  Everything was fine for about a week.  Then it seemed to happen again.  So the car was parked for good at that point.  I never wanted to use the car as a day to day driver which i was at the time, so i purchased a truck and let the car sit for the last 6 months.  This weekend i pulled the motor out with the intention of a complete rebuild.  After getting the engine out I noticed the casting number on the block was from 1965.  I thought this was a little odd considering Ford never put out a 302 until 1967.  After decoding the VIN for the car it confirmed that the original engine for the car should have been a 302.

After pulling the intake manifold there was another stamp on the block, 289.  As well as inside the headers.  I started to have doubts that this was the original engine.  After flipping the motor and exposing the crank it was confirmed.  What I had was a 1965 289ci engine.  Not the 302 that should have come with the car.  So when I purchased the replacement rocker arms for a '68 302 they were of a different style and cause the retaining clip on the valve spring to fail, dropping the valve down onto the piston and permanently jamming the valve in place.  The block is already bored 40 over and I am unsure if it can be honed out and reused yet.  I need to get better measurements to be sure.

So here is the dilemma, should i take the the time and effort to try and restore the car to its original condition with a 302 block cast in 1968, purchase a used 302 block from any era, purchase a new 302 block or just fix the one I have?  I leave this decision solely to the good people here at the FES.

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Ocius

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Re: I have a conundrum
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2011, 02:27:54 PM »
I think you should give me your Mustang.

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gotham

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Re: I have a conundrum
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2011, 02:50:17 PM »
I went with keeping it original and looking for the 302 block cast in 1968 to get it back to what you thought you had when you bought it...and it couldn't hurt the value.       

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Re: I have a conundrum
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2011, 05:18:52 PM »
You could always sell it and use the dosh to buy a real exclusive piece of tin from round about the same era.



That's a Jaguar XJ-12C in case your interested.

It's not your usual muscle V8 lump, nor is it, give or take, just short of 5 litres.

It is a genuine, iconic, nobodys ever heard of it before, 5.3-litre V12 Jag.

That's a V12, just for clarification that would be 50% more cylinders than the model you currently have.

Be the first on your block to have one.


Hang on, I'll just check my personal care factor for this week : nope still don't give a fuck

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Ocius

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Re: I have a conundrum
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2011, 06:03:46 PM »
The only thing more beautiful than this is.. well I don't think there is anything.


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Mrs. Peach

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Re: I have a conundrum
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2011, 06:33:34 PM »
You could always sell it and use the dosh to buy a real exclusive piece of tin from round about the same era.



That's a Jaguar XJ-12C in case your interested.

It's not your usual muscle V8 lump, nor is it, give or take, just short of 5 litres.

It is a genuine, iconic, nobodys ever heard of it before, 5.3-litre V12 Jag.

That's a V12, just for clarification that would be 50% more cylinders than the model you currently have.

Be the first on your block to have one.


I might be tempted to agree with you if that is a two syllable jaguar and not one of those awful threes.

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Re: I have a conundrum
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2011, 07:45:25 PM »
No thanks Tusk.  I can barely handle the 8 I have.  I dont know what I would do with 12.

Here she is in better days Fortuna.




She looks about the same now...without a hood or an engine installed.



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Re: I have a conundrum
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2011, 07:49:29 PM »
So here is the dilemma, should i take the the time and effort to try and restore the car to its original condition with a 302 block cast in 1968, purchase a used 302 block from any era, purchase a new 302 block or just fix the one I have?

I suppose that I depends on how important you feel it is to have a stock engine in it.  Some are pretty anal about having everything exactly as it came from the factory while others have no problems swapping out major components in the name of performance, coolness or cheapness.

Personally, I'd probably be pragmatic and look for something that fits and has a relatively high coolness for the buck ratio.
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Re: I have a conundrum
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2011, 07:55:55 PM »
No thanks Tusk.  I can barely handle the 8 I have.  I dont know what I would do with 12.

Here she is in better days Fortuna.




She looks about the same now...without a hood or an engine installed.




Such a beautiful car. My Uncle has the same model, only it's white. There's nothing quite like cruising down the highway in one with some classic rock blasting.

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Re: I have a conundrum
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2011, 10:32:33 PM »
Sell it, buy an electric car, and never buy petrol again!

But seriously, this:
Personally, I'd probably be pragmatic and look for something that fits and has a relatively high coolness for the buck ratio.

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Re: I have a conundrum
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2011, 04:29:01 AM »
Ok folks the final decision was to get a used 302 block.  I found one from 1971 that was extremely cheap, so i had to act.  Picked it up last nite.  Now we move on the cleaning phase.

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Re: I have a conundrum
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2011, 07:04:52 AM »
  I think you did the right thing, buying a used 302 block. However according to the poll the winner was to buy a new 302. Why did you go against combined FES wisdom?
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Re: I have a conundrum
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2011, 12:25:14 PM »
I had to act.  The price was too good to consult the poll first.  It seems now its a tie.  So i went with sound judgement.