Why not just make pictures of the Earth yourselves?

"PLEASE NOTE: This means that pictures confirming the roundness or flatness of the Earth DO NOT CONSTITUTE VALID PROOF." -Quoted from the FAQ.

This means that any pictures that NASA makes are part of the "Conspiracy".

However, you FE'ers can strap a video camera to a good model rocket!  TFES is not part of NASA!  You can prove the Earth is flat or vice versa.  And if you really think NASA hacks cameras or something, one of you can build one with parts from RadioShack.

Btw, how come when I point my high power laser at the clouds I see a green dot on the clouds, where I point at, and not above it?  This seems to contradict your bendy light theory.

I already posted this in another thread.



Flat Earth Theorists: please provide empirical evidence proving otherwise.

They claim if you view the earth from high altitude/low orbit it will look curvy because of bendy light.

does the bendy light also prevent us from seeing the lights of unlit countries that would be within LOS on a flat earth?

"PLEASE NOTE: This means that pictures confirming the roundness or flatness of the Earth DO NOT CONSTITUTE VALID PROOF." -Quoted from the FAQ.

This means that any pictures that NASA makes are part of the "Conspiracy".

However, you FE'ers can strap a video camera to a good model rocket!  TFES is not part of NASA!  You can prove the Earth is flat or vice versa.  And if you really think NASA hacks cameras or something, one of you can build one with parts from RadioShack.

Btw, how come when I point my high power laser at the clouds I see a green dot on the clouds, where I point at, and not above it?  This seems to contradict your bendy light theory.

Because then RE'ers can claim them being fake. Also, not to mention certain, possibly unknown, phenomena can cause things to appears in ways they aren't.

I already posted this in another thread.



Flat Earth Theorists: please provide empirical evidence proving otherwise.

That does not disprove "bendy light", just that is may appear not to bend over (relatively) short distances.

does the bendy light also prevent us from seeing the lights of unlit countries that would be within LOS on a flat earth?

Yes. Those that ascribe to EAT (bendy light) claim that.

They claim if you view the earth from high altitude/low orbit it will look curvy because of bendy light.

Even if bendy light existed, from space you'd see the whole world, basically a hemisphere with a ring of Antarctica at the edges, instead of everything above a certain ring.  A real globe let's you see half at a time.  Their bendy light stuff does not represent Earth properly, so it must be wrong.

Quote from: Raiku on December 09, 2009, 03:41:32 PM

"PLEASE NOTE: This means that pictures confirming the roundness or flatness of the Earth DO NOT CONSTITUTE VALID PROOF." -Quoted from the FAQ.

This means that any pictures that NASA makes are part of the "Conspiracy".

However, you FE'ers can strap a video camera to a good model rocket!  TFES is not part of NASA!  You can prove the Earth is flat or vice versa.  And if you really think NASA hacks cameras or something, one of you can build one with parts from RadioShack.

Btw, how come when I point my high power laser at the clouds I see a green dot on the clouds, where I point at, and not above it?  This seems to contradict your bendy light theory.

Because then RE'ers can claim them being fake. Also, not to mention certain, possibly unknown, phenomena can cause things to appears in ways they aren't.

Quote from: onetwothreefour on December 09, 2009, 03:50:49 PM

I already posted this in another thread.



Flat Earth Theorists: please provide empirical evidence proving otherwise.

That does not disprove "bendy light", just that is may appear not to bend over (relatively) short distances.

Quote from: Epic Skeptic on December 10, 2009, 06:23:08 AM

does the bendy light also prevent us from seeing the lights of unlit countries that would be within LOS on a flat earth?

Yes. Those that ascribe to EAT (bendy light) claim that.

Where is the picture/evidence that proves bendy light?

Shine that laser horizontally over a long distance. The further you go from the laser, the higher it will be.

Shine that laser horizontally over a long distance. The further you go from the laser, the higher it will be.

So you could conclusively prove the earth is flat with a laser pointer, changing life as we know it forever, but you refuse to do so?

That would either prove that the earth is round, or that light bends.

Shine that laser horizontally over a long distance. The further you go from the laser, the higher it will be.

You see, that's a problem for FET.  One of the prime FE mantras is that the earth is flat because it looks flat.  However, bendy light is supposed to explain why the earth looks round.  So make up your mind, does the earth look flat or does it look round? 

It looks flat on RE or FE, does it matter?

Quote from: SupahLovah on December 11, 2009, 05:53:09 AM

Shine that laser horizontally over a long distance. The further you go from the laser, the higher it will be.

You see, that's a problem for FET.  One of the prime FE mantras is that the earth is flat because it looks flat.  However, bendy light is supposed to explain why the earth looks round.  So make up your mind, does the earth look flat or does it look round? 

They don't have to pick one, as long as they don't argue both ideas at the same time.

Quote from: SupahLovah on December 11, 2009, 05:53:09 AM

Shine that laser horizontally over a long distance. The further you go from the laser, the higher it will be.

You see, that's a problem for FET.  One of the prime FE mantras is that the earth is flat because it looks flat.  However, bendy light is supposed to explain why the earth looks round.  So make up your mind, does the earth look flat or does it look round? 

markjo, you know there are varying FE models.

Quote from: markjo on December 11, 2009, 06:27:13 AM

Quote from: SupahLovah on December 11, 2009, 05:53:09 AM

Shine that laser horizontally over a long distance. The further you go from the laser, the higher it will be.

You see, that's a problem for FET.  One of the prime FE mantras is that the earth is flat because it looks flat.  However, bendy light is supposed to explain why the earth looks round.  So make up your mind, does the earth look flat or does it look round? 

markjo, you know there are varying FE models.

So some FE models look flat and other FE models look round?  Can't you guys make up your minds about anything?

Quote from: Waste of Mind on December 11, 2009, 01:57:53 PM

Quote from: markjo on December 11, 2009, 06:27:13 AM

Quote from: SupahLovah on December 11, 2009, 05:53:09 AM

Shine that laser horizontally over a long distance. The further you go from the laser, the higher it will be.

You see, that's a problem for FET.  One of the prime FE mantras is that the earth is flat because it looks flat.  However, bendy light is supposed to explain why the earth looks round.  So make up your mind, does the earth look flat or does it look round? 

markjo, you know there are varying FE models.

So some FE models look flat and other FE models look round?  Can't you guys make up your minds about anything?

So science should always agree and alternative theories never considered?

And suddenly, the reason markjo is a RE'er is made clear.

Quote from: markjo on December 11, 2009, 02:44:09 PM

Quote from: Waste of Mind on December 11, 2009, 01:57:53 PM

Quote from: markjo on December 11, 2009, 06:27:13 AM

Quote from: SupahLovah on December 11, 2009, 05:53:09 AM

Shine that laser horizontally over a long distance. The further you go from the laser, the higher it will be.

You see, that's a problem for FET.  One of the prime FE mantras is that the earth is flat because it looks flat.  However, bendy light is supposed to explain why the earth looks round.  So make up your mind, does the earth look flat or does it look round? 

markjo, you know there are varying FE models.

So some FE models look flat and other FE models look round?  Can't you guys make up your minds about anything?

So science should always agree and alternative theories never considered?

And suddenly, the reason markjo is a RE'er is made clear.

The earth appearing flat or round is not a theory, it's an observation.  Either the earth looks flat or it looks round.  It's that simple.

Quote from: Waste of Mind on December 11, 2009, 02:47:37 PM

Quote from: markjo on December 11, 2009, 02:44:09 PM

Quote from: Waste of Mind on December 11, 2009, 01:57:53 PM

Quote from: markjo on December 11, 2009, 06:27:13 AM

Quote from: SupahLovah on December 11, 2009, 05:53:09 AM

Shine that laser horizontally over a long distance. The further you go from the laser, the higher it will be.

You see, that's a problem for FET.  One of the prime FE mantras is that the earth is flat because it looks flat.  However, bendy light is supposed to explain why the earth looks round.  So make up your mind, does the earth look flat or does it look round? 

markjo, you know there are varying FE models.

So some FE models look flat and other FE models look round?  Can't you guys make up your minds about anything?

So science should always agree and alternative theories never considered?

And suddenly, the reason markjo is a RE'er is made clear.

The earth appearing flat or round is not a theory, it's an observation.  Either the earth looks flat or it looks round.  It's that simple.

And why it appears that way is a theory.

And why it appears that way is a theory.

I'm not asking why the FE appears flat or round.  I'm asking which way does it appear?  Does the FE appear flat or does the FE appear round?  It's a simple question that can be answered with a simple observation.  Maybe you should look out your window.

Quote from: Raiku on December 10, 2009, 06:10:45 PM

I truly think Bishop is one of the most annoying debaters on this forum.  His tactic is ignorance and repetition.

By the way, our theories make sense.  We have formulas down for everything and everthing is connected.

You have a magic flying disc that accelerates only certain things that touch it, giant ellipsoidal perfect space mirrors, and bending light, turning to this unknown constant you call "up".  Things are just like, "it was always like that" and have no underlying cause.  With bendy light, by the way, farther away things would be terribly distorted and the horizon would NOT obscure the far away things, because the horizon would appear lower too!  Ever thought of that?

And plus, can you tell me the formula for finding the difference in angle and position after a photon of angle theta has travelled for one second?  NO, you can't!  You just think it bends upwards some random amount!  Get realistic!  Either make up a new random theory that appears to explain why everything behaves like a round Earth with no underlying logic whatsoever, or the Flat Earth Society will become the Denial Society.  Maybe it already is.

Quote from: Raiku on December 10, 2009, 08:30:17 PM

Quote from: vulcangon on December 09, 2009, 06:19:10 PM

They claim if you view the earth from high altitude/low orbit it will look curvy because of bendy light.

Even if bendy light existed, from space you'd see the whole world, basically a hemisphere with a ring of Antarctica at the edges, instead of everything above a certain ring.  A real globe let's you see half at a time.  Their bendy light stuff does not represent Earth properly, so it must be wrong.

Quote from: Raiku on December 10, 2009, 02:46:59 PM

If the Earth was flat, images from Google Earth would become progressively more distorted as you get closer to the south pole, like the opposite of projecting a globe onto a map.  Both distort.

PS:  If bendy light actually existed, things farther away would not only look lower, (As in overlapping things that are closer like layers of stained glass!) but distorted as well.

Bendy light was also disproved in the Day and Night thread.  I posted these long before I heard about it.  These are both conclusive proof that light does not bend, except when the space-time continuum bends due to gravity, velocity, etc., or when it goes though a lens, of course.