Right thats it...

I am SOOOO sick of people asking perfectly good questions which have not been answered and never will be because an FE'er turns it off topic.
I want a damn answer for once for a few questions that have been asked several times

1. Howcome the other planets are allowed to have gravity but the earth is not? There are both formulated from all the same elements thats exist throughout the universe, and laws of physics are universal so why can gravity not apply to the earth?

2. Explain the FE sun. It is so small that it would have burnt up very quickly being the diameter (32 miles?) that you state it is. Also being so close to the earth we would all be extremely hot. Also as above about what makes it "special" that it does not form a round shape.

3. How exactly do planets and the sun and the earth orbit? Is the earth the centre of the universe and how do the other planets move around it?

OK, I don't think you've read the FAQ but you can't get a proper answer because the few real FE believers(about 4-5 of them) don't actually agree on most things.

1. Stars, planets etc are apparently very small dust like motes of energy. Apparently they aren't the same as the Earth. Also, FE's don't believe that the stars actually behave the way globularists do.

2. They don't agree on it. Last I heard it was some kind of exotic matter. No mechanism of energy generation is given.

3. Refer to 1. Dust motes.

Howcome the other planets are allowed to have gravity but the earth is not? There are both formulated from all the same elements thats exist throughout the universe, and laws of physics are universal so why can gravity not apply to the earth?

Other planets are not the earth.

You're assuming that it's "gravity" which keeps them together and attracts bodies in the universe when it could just as well be a form of electro magnitism.

2. Explain the FE sun. It is so small that it would have burnt up very quickly being the diameter (32 miles?) that you state it is. Also being so close to the earth we would all be extremely hot. Also as above about what makes it "special" that it does not form a round shape.

The sun is a sphere. It's power source is unknown.

3. How exactly do planets and the sun and the earth orbit? Is the earth the centre of the universe and how do the other planets move around it?

The planets don't move around the earth. They move around the sun.

so do you understand now?
the earth is "unique" and the sun is a mystery object.

Dont think that after 150 posts i havent read the FAQ. How thick can you be...
Wait since when did you stop believing in a flat sun. Since when is it round by you guys?

How the hell do all the planets in the solar system orbit something only 32 miles in diameter.

Why does this "form of electromagnetism"(enlighten me as to how this could work) not exist on the earth.

Here we can see an example of how the FE theory is rubbish
There is indecision over aspects of the theory
You are not specific enough with things. Example: "some form of electromagnetism" and the suns power source is "unknown"

FAQ quotes that are contradictary to your statements tom
Q: "Why does gravity vary with altitude?"

A: The celestial bodies have a slight gravitational pull.

Q:  Follow-up to previous question:  "How is it that the Earth does not have a gravitational pull, but stars and the moon do?"

A:  This argument is a non-sequitur. You might as well ask, "How is it that snakes do not have legs, but dogs and cats do?" Snakes are not dogs or cats. The Earth is not a star or the moon. It doesn't follow that each must have exactly the properties of the others, and no more.

Q:  Follow-up to previous question:  "How is it that the Earth does not have a gravitational pull, but stars and the moon do?"

A:  This argument is a non-sequitur. You might as well ask, "How is it that snakes do not have legs, but dogs and cats do?" Snakes are not dogs or cats. The Earth is not a star or the moon. It doesn't follow that each must have exactly the properties of the others, and no more.

another way of saying "earth is special so it doesn't have to follow the rules."

i'm guessing that this answer was chosen because a logical ANSWER to that question doesn't exist.

Yes its not a sun or a moon, but it is still comprised of the same elements existing throughout the universe.

The FAQ contradicts Tom hahahahaha

Dont think that after 150 posts i havent read the FAQ. How thick can you be...
Wait since when did you stop believing in a flat sun. Since when is it round by you guys?

Since when was it flat?

How the hell do all the planets in the solar system orbit something only 32 miles in diameter.

How do electrons orbit an atom only picometers in diameter?

Why does this "form of electromagnetism"(enlighten me as to how this could work) not exist on the earth.

Where did I say that it doesn't?

FAQ quotes that are contradictary to your statements tom
Q: "Why does gravity vary with altitude?"

A: The celestial bodies have a slight gravitational pull.

No, the FAQ doesn't contradict me.

Gravitation is not the same as gravity. Gravitation is an action word which means that bodies are attracted towards each other. Two magnets are said to "gravitate"towards each other. Your neighborhood mailman "gravitates" towards the local Thai restaurant.

Gravity is a specific mechanism under in which bodies are attracted by mass.

Generally gravity and gravitation are interchangable, even in a scientific context.

Actually, they aren't. There's a clear distinction between 'gravitation' and 'gravity'. Many things 'gravitate' towards each other. But that attraction is not necessarily 'gravity'.

Learn more.

Learn mean word "scientific context".

Maybe you don't understand the gravity of this situation Tom. I'm gravitating towards the opinion that you are a weak debater who employs red herrings wherever he spies the opportunity.

The difference between gravitation and gravity is a very basic scientific concept, which is included by default in all "scientific context".

Wikipedia is user editable and not a proper scientific source.

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How the hell do all the planets in the solar system orbit something only 32 miles in diameter.

How do electrons orbit an atom only picometers in diameter?

actually they don't orbit anything

Wikipedia is user editable and not a proper scientific source.

Like any encyclopedia, Wikipedia is only as good as its references. 

In the case of the quote from KillaBee, these source are MIT and University of Sydney.

Can you please forward any objections you have to these institutions.  I'm sure they will listen to any objections about information on their servers.

Kind regards.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 07, 2009, 11:16:10 AM

Wikipedia is user editable and not a proper scientific source.

Like any encyclopedia, Wikipedia is only as good as its references.  

In the case of the quote from KillaBee, these source are MIT and University of Sydney.

Can you please forward any objections you have to these institutions.  I'm sure they will listen to any objections about information on their servers.

Kind regards.

Apparently you didn't even bother to read the quote KillaBee provided. It completely agrees with my distinction between gravity and gravitation:

"The terms gravitation and gravity are mostly interchangeable in everyday use, but a distinction may be made in scientific usage."

Since this is a scientific discussion, obviously we're not using "everyday use" terms. There is a distinction.

Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 07, 2009, 06:38:52 AM

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How the hell do all the planets in the solar system orbit something only 32 miles in diameter.

How do electrons orbit an atom only picometers in diameter?

actually they don't orbit anything

exactly. electron "orbits" are graphical representations for probability distributions of where the electrons will be.

Quote from: iznih on June 07, 2009, 12:16:32 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 07, 2009, 06:38:52 AM

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How the hell do all the planets in the solar system orbit something only 32 miles in diameter.

How do electrons orbit an atom only picometers in diameter?

actually they don't orbit anything

exactly. electron "orbits" are graphical representations for probability distributions of where the electrons will be.

Something that's always bothered me.  If opposite charges attract, then why don't electrons just make a bee-line for the nearest protons?

well the probability distribution increases as you get closer to the nucleus. as to why they don't just stick to the nucleus i guess it's because of their wavelike properties. don't know.

Quote from: dyno on June 07, 2009, 06:32:53 PM

Quote from: iznih on June 07, 2009, 12:16:32 PM

Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 07, 2009, 06:38:52 AM

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How the hell do all the planets in the solar system orbit something only 32 miles in diameter.

How do electrons orbit an atom only picometers in diameter?

actually they don't orbit anything

exactly. electron "orbits" are graphical representations for probability distributions of where the electrons will be.

Something that's always bothered me.  If opposite charges attract, then why don't electrons just make a bee-line for the nearest protons?

sometimes they do in large atoms, transforming them into different atoms.  but you could use the uncertainty principle to see that the attraction isnt large enough to keep the electron there.

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Dont think that after 150 posts i havent read the FAQ. How thick can you be...
Wait since when did you stop believing in a flat sun. Since when is it round by you guys?

Since when was it flat?

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How the hell do all the planets in the solar system orbit something only 32 miles in diameter.

How do electrons orbit an atom only picometers in diameter?

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Why does this "form of electromagnetism"(enlighten me as to how this could work) not exist on the earth.

Where did I say that it doesn't?

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FAQ quotes that are contradictary to your statements tom
Q: "Why does gravity vary with altitude?"

A: The celestial bodies have a slight gravitational pull.

No, the FAQ doesn't contradict me.

Gravitation is not the same as gravity. Gravitation is an action word which means that bodies are attracted towards each other. Two magnets are said to "gravitate"towards each other. Your neighborhood mailman "gravitates" towards the local Thai restaurant.

Gravity is a specific mechanism under in which bodies are attracted by mass.

Finally got a chance to reply to this, backtracking a bit but bare with me

1. Ok, i dont know why i thought the FE sun was flat, forgive me

2. THIS DOES NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION. You cannot answer a question with a ridiculous question that is not relevant.

3. You also failed to answer my question. How can this "electromagnetism" work. You also say that it could be what holds the earth flat. How can it keep our planet flat but another one round? make up your mind

4. The FAQ is bullshit here. What causes this "slight gravitational pull" again a statement which is not backed by some sort of mathematics/physics evidence. Enlighten me what causes a "slight gravitational pull" if it is not gravity

But you still seem to be having difficulty with this. According to the wiki "gravitation" applies to the attraction between all masses (according to Newton/Einstein). Whereas "gravity" applies only to the attraction in conjunction with the earth (still according to Newton/Einstein).

Whoever wrote that is incorrect then. 'Gravitation' is an action word which describe the apparent attraction between any two bodies, no matter the mechanism (two magnets gravitating towards each other, etc). 'Gravity' is a specific mechanism in which bodies are attracted by mass.

We have a sticky thread on the subject which spells out the difference: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=19384.0

2. THIS DOES NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION. You cannot answer a question with a ridiculous question that is not relevant.

Sure it's relevant. You ask how planets can orbit something that's "so small," and the answer is the same general way that other small things orbit each other.

3. You also failed to answer my question. How can this "electromagnetism" work. You also say that it could be what holds the earth flat. How can it keep our planet flat but another one round? make up your mind

I didn't say anything about it holding the earth flat. And if you want to learn more about electromagnetism I'd suggest finding an encyclopedia.

4. The FAQ is bullshit here. What causes this "slight gravitational pull" again a statement which is not backed by some sort of mathematics/physics evidence. Enlighten me what causes a "slight gravitational pull" if it is not gravity

Gravitation is not the same as gravity. Gravitation is an action word. Gravity is a specific mechanism. See the sticky thread I linked above.

Ok inform me how electrons orbit an atom, and then how this relates to planets/celestial bodies orbiting the sun.

You STILL fail to explain how this apparent electromagnetism makes other planets round but not the earth.

You STILL fail to explain what gives other celestial bodies this "slight gravitational pull". What gives them this force?