Is google earth part of the conspiracy?

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mazty88

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #60 on: June 17, 2009, 09:48:09 AM »
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Never before seen? Are you stupendously thick?
The tech is just refined V1 rockets you retard.

V1's didn't orbit the earth.

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No, "you can't do it" is not an explanation, just pointless scepticism, exactly the same as a person saying "Which is more likely, man-made flight, or no man made flight?"
Easy doesn't mean not possible or likely. You totally misunderstand Occam's Razor.
What is a retarded explanation is to say they can't do it, because gravity doesn't exist, and in fact an unknown force is propelling the earth, which is an unknown shape and size, into an unknown area of space.
Science accepts satellites.
IT IS NOW UP TO YOU TO DISPROVE TO THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY THAT SATELLITES CANNOT EXIST.
You are not omniscient, you have to tell us why satellites are absurd. And also disprove every single piece of satellite data in existence.
Have fun with that.

The burden of proof lies with those postulating the extraordinary. When you can prove that space travel is possible please let us know so we can continue the discussion.
Disprove NASA.
Extraordinary is not what is considered to be normal to the scientific community.
Show how it extraordinary. If it so extraordinary, surely there must be evidence to disprove it.
Here is evidence for satellites:
http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=MERIS&btnG=Search
Now go, disprove all those links.

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #61 on: June 17, 2009, 09:50:06 AM »
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The burden of proof lies with those postulating the extraordinary. When you can prove that space travel is possible please let us know so we can continue the discussion.

Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #62 on: June 17, 2009, 10:13:47 AM »
Give it up Matzy, Your just banging your head against a brick wall here.

Its the same on basically every thread.
Their are 2 large concave mirrors that have been attached to the sun which can be remotely controlled to point the rays wherever they are needed.

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mazty88

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #63 on: June 17, 2009, 12:11:48 PM »
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The burden of proof lies with those postulating the extraordinary. When you can prove that space travel is possible please let us know so we can continue the discussion.

From a satellite. Disprove.
Scepticism is not proof.

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Tom Bishop

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #64 on: June 17, 2009, 12:27:03 PM »
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Scepticism is not proof.

Neither is an appeal to authority fallacy.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2009, 01:22:20 PM by Tom Bishop »

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mazty88

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #65 on: June 17, 2009, 01:29:30 PM »
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Scepticism is not proof.

Neither is an appeal to authority fallacy.
Disprove http://modis-atmos.gsfc.nasa.gov/_docs/Vermote%20et%20al.%20%281997a%29.pdf
That's not an appeal to authority you fucking spaz. It's a piece of accurate scientific work. Now disprove it to show that it is wrong and that satellites don't exist.

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Tom Bishop

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #66 on: June 17, 2009, 01:33:06 PM »
The burden of proof lies with those postulating the extraordinary.

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #67 on: June 17, 2009, 01:45:40 PM »
The burden of proof lies with those postulating the extraordinary.
Extraordinary like elaborate conspiracies to deceive mankind about the true shape of the earth.

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mazty88

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #68 on: June 17, 2009, 01:50:00 PM »
The burden of proof lies with those postulating the extraordinary.
Well if you are going to ignore literature on the stuff and imagery, what do you want as evidence?
And again, if it is so extraodinary, how come you don't have any proof against it?

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Tom Bishop

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #69 on: June 17, 2009, 01:52:10 PM »
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Extraordinary like elaborate conspiracies to deceive mankind about the true shape of the earth.

We've already provided our proof. Check out the wealth of literature in my signature link.

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Well if you are going to ignore literature on the stuff and imagery, what do you want as evidence?
And again, if it is so extraodinary, how come you don't have any proof against it?

We do have proof against it.

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mazty88

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #70 on: June 17, 2009, 02:47:26 PM »
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Extraordinary like elaborate conspiracies to deceive mankind about the true shape of the earth.

We've already provided our proof. Check out the wealth of literature in my signature link.

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Well if you are going to ignore literature on the stuff and imagery, what do you want as evidence?
And again, if it is so extraodinary, how come you don't have any proof against it?

We do have proof against it.
No you don't. You don't have a single equation, just scepticism.
Please, pull out a quote that disproves photogrammetry, that image I showed you and that article I linked you.
What proof do you have disproving GVD or AVHRR corner reflectors?
If you have the answer, please impart it.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2009, 07:57:06 PM by mazty88 »

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Tom Bishop

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #71 on: June 17, 2009, 08:09:09 PM »
No you don't. You don't have a single equation, just scepticism.
Please, pull out a quote that disproves photogrammetry, that image I showed you and that article I linked you.
What proof do you have disproving GVD or AVHRR corner reflectors?
If you have the answer, please impart it.

Equation? What do equations have to do with truth?

Debate doesn't work by saying "prove this did not happen" and "prove that is not accurate". That's called proving a negative, which is a logical fallacy.

It's your evidence you're bringing to the table. You need to provide positive proof that it did happen and that it's accurate.
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mazty88

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #72 on: June 17, 2009, 08:16:14 PM »
No you don't. You don't have a single equation, just scepticism.
Please, pull out a quote that disproves photogrammetry, that image I showed you and that article I linked you.
What proof do you have disproving GVD or AVHRR corner reflectors?
If you have the answer, please impart it.

Equation? What do equations have to do with truth?

Debate doesn't work by saying "prove this did not happen" and "prove that is not accurate". That's called proving a negative, which is a logical fallacy.

It's your evidence you're bringing to the table. You need to provide positive proof that it did happen and that it's accurate.
Wrong.
"What proof do you have disproving GVD or AVHRR corner reflectors?"
These are user based tests ran to make sure the imagery is not made up by suits.
The swath width and existence of AVHRR imagery proves satellites to exist. GVD and corner reflectors prove the imagers aren't fake.

Now, you are going to have to find proof supporting your claims, and/or disproving my claims.
I don't expect to hear from you after this post  :)

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #73 on: June 17, 2009, 08:20:29 PM »
Equation? What do equations have to do with truth?

Equations demonstrate the predictive power of a theory.  When an equation is used to make a prediction, that prediction can then be verified or falsified via experimentation and/or observation.
Science is what happens when preconception meets verification.
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Besides, perhaps FET is a conspiracy too.
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It is just the way it is, you understanding it doesn't concern me.

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Tom Bishop

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #74 on: June 17, 2009, 08:33:41 PM »
Wrong.
"What proof do you have disproving GVD or AVHRR corner reflectors?"
These are user based tests ran to make sure the imagery is not made up by suits.
The swath width and existence of AVHRR imagery proves satellites to exist. GVD and corner reflectors prove the imagers aren't fake.

Now, you are going to have to find proof supporting your claims, and/or disproving my claims.
I don't expect to hear from you after this post  :)

Please read:

Land images are your data you're bringing to the table. You are asking us to "disprove this" or prove that it was not collected how they say it was collected. That's called proving a negative. Debate doesn't work that way. The burden is always on the claimant to prove a positive, not on anyone else to "prove a negative" or "prove it didn't happen". When you present data you need the evidence to back it up.

You have not demonstrated that your evidence comes from your claimed source in the first place. When you can prove that your images came from satellites orbiting the earth and none other, we can proceed with discussion.
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mazty88

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #75 on: June 18, 2009, 06:29:07 AM »
Wrong.
"What proof do you have disproving GVD or AVHRR corner reflectors?"
These are user based tests ran to make sure the imagery is not made up by suits.
The swath width and existence of AVHRR imagery proves satellites to exist. GVD and corner reflectors prove the imagers aren't fake.

Now, you are going to have to find proof supporting your claims, and/or disproving my claims.
I don't expect to hear from you after this post  :)

Please read:

Land images is your data you're bringing to the table. You are asking us to "disprove this" or prove that it was not collected how they say it was collected. That's called proving a negative. Debate doesn't work that way. The burden is always on the claimant to prove a positive, not on anyone else to "prove a negative" or "prove it didn't happen". When you present data you need the evidence to back it up.

You have not demonstrated that your evidence comes from your claimed source in the first place. When you can prove that your images came from satellites orbiting the earth and none other, we can proceed with discussion.
No Tom, you have to prove your point that the images are made by suits.
GDV and AVHRR data is tested, and proven to be from satellites. HOW IS THIS NOT EVIDENCE? HOW IS GDV AND AVHRR DATA NOT EVIDENCE?

You have no evidence to prove the images are fake. You have nothing to back your hypothesis.
And you are incredibly thick/uneducated if you think disproving something is proving a negative. That's how science should be executed - to prove a point. There isn't such a thing as a "purely" negative statement, because every negative entails a positive, and vice versa
So you hypothesis looks something like this:
1)Satellite imagery is created by men in an office.
Prove it.
I have already brought to the table evidence showing how YOU can test satellite data to show it is from satellites. You have to provide counter-evidence, or some evidence to show that satellite imagery is faked. Otherwise all the evidence you have is "because I say so". I don't need to tell you how that isn't scientific.

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #76 on: June 18, 2009, 08:47:34 AM »
We've caught you in a bold faced lie, Tom.  There is nothing "extraordinary" about satellite technology, yet you use the term so flippantly as to suppose it is common knowledge.

Space travel is entirely and absolutely extraordinary. Everything about what NASA does is extraordinary. The burden of proof lies with those postulating the extraordinary.

Wtf? So when I'm watching a rocket launch into space, where does it go? Up my ass?

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #77 on: June 18, 2009, 10:45:03 AM »
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No Tom, you have to prove your point that the images are made by suits.
GDV and AVHRR data is tested, and proven to be from satellites.

Have you tested and proven that they're from satellites?

If not, you better get to work then.

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mazty88

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #78 on: June 18, 2009, 11:12:22 AM »
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No Tom, you have to prove your point that the images are made by suits.
GDV and AVHRR data is tested, and proven to be from satellites.

Have you tested and proven that they're from satellites?

If not, you better get to work then.
Yes I have. You are not reading what I am saying.
GDV AND AVHRR DATA SHOWS THAT DATA IS FROM A SATELLITE.
I have given you an explanation in a previous post as to why this is proof.
So, what proof do you have that satellite imagery is made by suits?

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Tom Bishop

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #79 on: June 18, 2009, 11:13:19 AM »
I'm sorry, where's your test?

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mazty88

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #80 on: June 18, 2009, 11:16:21 AM »
I'm sorry, where's your test?
Look up GDV and AVHRR corner reflectors. I'm sure Nottingham University would be more than happy to show you how AVHRR data is collected using corner reflectors.
Where is your evidence that satellite imagery is made by suits?

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Tom Bishop

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #81 on: June 18, 2009, 11:17:17 AM »
That isn't a test.

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mazty88

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #82 on: June 18, 2009, 11:21:03 AM »
That isn't a test.
WTF? Yes it is. It shows that the imagery really is of the ground & the results are only possible from a satellite due to the physics of a radiometer.
Getting a little stuck for answers so coming back with idiotic replies about something you know almost nothing about?
WHERE IS YOUR PROOF FOR THE IMAGERY BEING FAKED?

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #83 on: June 18, 2009, 11:27:25 AM »
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WTF? Yes it is. It shows that the imagery really is of the ground & the results are only possible from a satellite due to the physics of a radiometer.

No, actually it doesn't.

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mazty88

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Re: Is google earth part of the conspiracy?
« Reply #84 on: June 18, 2009, 11:30:04 AM »
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WTF? Yes it is. It shows that the imagery really is of the ground & the results are only possible from a satellite due to the physics of a radiometer.

No, actually it doesn't.
How does it not show the images to be from a satellite?
Explain yourself as you are clearly talking out your ass.