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Arguments/Questions for parts of the FE Theory
« on: May 21, 2009, 08:59:40 AM »
  These are thoughts, questions, and arguements from myself about the Flat Earth Theory.  Responding to these arguements/questions could possibly enforce your Flat Earth Theory or point out flaws in it.  I'm not entirely sure which of these points I've heard are with the actual FET, as I still need to Lurk Moar (credit to Robosteve).  I'd appreciate it if people who know what they're talking about could give adaquate responses to this thread's subjects.  I will most likey add more to this post as people respond.  Let me know if my understanding on parts of the FE Theory are incorrect so that I can update my questions to fit the theory.
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  My friend, Waste of Mind (real life friend, but that's his username on this site) told me that in the Flat Earth Theory, there is no gravity, but that dark energy pushes the world up at 9.8 meters per second, so that when you jump, you don't actually fall, but the Earth rushes up to meet you.  Since he just tells everyone to prove him wrong on this subject and offers no proof himself, I was hoping that someone educated on the true Flat Earth Theory could answer my questions about this specific part of the theory.

  Edited:  This is something I pondered today:
  In the FE Theory (according to Waste of Mind) the earth is constantly accelerating at a rate of 9.8 meters per second, and always has been.  The Earth is moving at about half the speed of light (or half of 299,792,458 meters per second), which would be 149,896,229 meters per second.  According to carbon dating, the oldest dinosaur fossil, which belongs to the Tazoudasaurus naimi, is over 180million years old. (see http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/23/1064082967426.html)  If 180million years is 5,680,246,680,000,000 seconds (correct?) and the Earth has always been accelerating at a rate of 9.8meters per second, then the earth would be going over the speed of light...by an outrageous amount.  Unless the FET doesn't have an Earth constantly accelerating at a speed of 9.8 meters per second, the FET has a HUGE flaw.

2nd Edit:  Einstein's theory involving frame of referense was brought to my attention, so I'll look into it.
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  Waste of Mind asked me why people don't fly off of the Earth in the Round Earth Theory, with it orbiting the Sun at it's proposed speed, as well as spinning around it'self.  He's failed to give me the mathmatical reasons to explain why people would indeed fly off of the Earth in the Round Earth Theory.  Would anyone happen to have them?
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  To my understanding, the FE Society believes that all of the photographs and videos of the round Earth from space are falsified/fake.  If this is so, why can't anyone find actual evidence in the photos/videos of tampering or complete forgery?
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  One of the experiments that is said to prove that the Earth is flat involves an experiment with a still-river.  As I'm told, the scientist places flags 2 miles apart for a length of 50 miles at the same height above the ground, and looked at them through a telescope.  The flags lined up perfectly and curve in the Earth's surface was seen for that 50mile stretch. 

  The reasoning: If the Earth was a perfect sphere, every set length of it would have some curve, so this experiment proves that the Earth is flat.
  The Earth isn't a perfect sphere in the Round Earth Theory.  Could anyone give a more detailed explanation of the true implications of this experiment?
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Re: Arguments/Questions for parts of the FE Theory
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2009, 09:44:15 AM »
Answers:

The same reason why shooting a bullet in a moving car works.
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Gravity. We're going the same speed the earth is.
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Because they're not fake.
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I suppose 50 miles wasn't long enough? I really don't see why someone is trying to disprove the existence of the curvature of the earth. It's there in RET and FET.
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Re: Arguments/Questions for parts of the FE Theory
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2009, 09:48:01 AM »
It is just as possible that the experiment was fake / didn't occur / he lied about the results. Noone here have done the same experiment he did, so why say it was true? Isn't that the sh*t you guys pull all the time ::)?

And  yes he most likely didn't do the experiment properly or lied about the results, because the Earth is indeed round. Just look out your window or over the ocean, it is exactly as RET describes.
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Re: Arguments/Questions for parts of the FE Theory
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2009, 10:00:06 AM »
Quote from: MisterHamper on May 21, 2009, 09:48:01 AM
It is just as possible that the experiment was fake / didn't occur / he lied about the results. Noone here have done the same experiment he did, so why say it was true? Isn't that the sh*t you guys pull all the time ::)?

And  yes he most likely didn't do the experiment properly or lied about the results, because the Earth is indeed round. Just look out your window or over the ocean, it is exactly as RET describes.

More than likely. The experiment is attempting to disprove the curvature of the earth, not that the earth is flat. It would be beyond pointless because anyone with eyes can see the curvature of the earth. It's not like it's a hillside marmot or somesuch.
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Re: Arguments/Questions for parts of the FE Theory
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2009, 03:02:25 PM »
  Well, in the FET, they also give an explanation for the Earth's bending of light over its surface without gravity.  I haven't lurked on it, but it may make some sense.
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Re: Arguments/Questions for parts of the FE Theory
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2009, 05:38:44 PM »
Quote from: Mind of Waste on May 21, 2009, 08:59:40 AM
2nd Edit:  Einstein's theory involving frame of referense was brought to my attention, so I'll look into it.
And what does it tell you?
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Re: Arguments/Questions for parts of the FE Theory
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2009, 06:18:12 PM »
Quote from: Jack on May 21, 2009, 05:38:44 PM
Quote from: Mind of Waste on May 21, 2009, 08:59:40 AM
2nd Edit:  Einstein's theory involving frame of referense was brought to my attention, so I'll look into it.
And what does it tell you?

  The FAQ explains it...but people are mislead about this when FES members tell them that the Earth keeps accelerating but doesn't reach the speed of light.  They should be instructed to also include that the Earth accelerates in a negative fashion, keeping it from reaching the speed of light. (deceleration)  Everyone (in the FES) that I had asked told me that the FE is in constant acceleration, which goes against the reasoning in the FAQ.  A notice should be sent to the FES members to avoid misleading.
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Re: Arguments/Questions for parts of the FE Theory
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2009, 08:25:30 PM »
Quote from: Mind of Waste on May 21, 2009, 08:59:40 AM
These are thoughts, questions, and arguements from myself about the Flat Earth Theory.  Responding to these arguements/questions could possibly enforce your Flat Earth Theory or point out flaws in it.  I'm not entirely sure which of these points I've heard are with the actual FET, as I still need to Lurk Moar (credit to Robosteve).  I'd appreciate it if people who know what they're talking about could give adaquate responses to this thread's subjects.  I will most likey add more to this post as people respond.  Let me know if my understanding on parts of the FE Theory are incorrect so that I can update my questions to fit the theory.
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  My friend, Waste of Mind (real life friend, but that's his username on this site) told me that in the Flat Earth Theory, there is no gravity, but that dark energy pushes the world up at 9.8 meters per second, so that when you jump, you don't actually fall, but the Earth rushes up to meet you.  Since he just tells everyone to prove him wrong on this subject and offers no proof himself, I was hoping that someone educated on the true Flat Earth Theory could answer my questions about this specific part of the theory.

  Edited:  This is something I pondered today:
  In the FE Theory (according to Waste of Mind) the earth is constantly accelerating at a rate of 9.8 meters per second, and always has been.  The Earth is moving at about half the speed of light (or half of 299,792,458 meters per second), which would be 149,896,229 meters per second.  According to carbon dating, the oldest dinosaur fossil, which belongs to the Tazoudasaurus naimi, is over 180million years old. (see http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/09/23/1064082967426.html)  If 180million years is 5,680,246,680,000,000 seconds (correct?) and the Earth has always been accelerating at a rate of 9.8meters per second, then the earth would be going over the speed of light...by an outrageous amount.  Unless the FET doesn't have an Earth constantly accelerating at a speed of 9.8 meters per second, the FET has a HUGE flaw.

2nd Edit:  Einstein's theory involving frame of referense was brought to my attention, so I'll look into it.
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  Waste of Mind asked me why people don't fly off of the Earth in the Round Earth Theory, with it orbiting the Sun at it's proposed speed, as well as spinning around it'self.  He's failed to give me the mathmatical reasons to explain why people would indeed fly off of the Earth in the Round Earth Theory.  Would anyone happen to have them?
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  To my understanding, the FE Society believes that all of the photographs and videos of the round Earth from space are falsified/fake.  If this is so, why can't anyone find actual evidence in the photos/videos of tampering or complete forgery?
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  One of the experiments that is said to prove that the Earth is flat involves an experiment with a still-river.  As I'm told, the scientist places flags 2 miles apart for a length of 50 miles at the same height above the ground, and looked at them through a telescope.  The flags lined up perfectly and curve in the Earth's surface was seen for that 50mile stretch. 

  The reasoning: If the Earth was a perfect sphere, every set length of it would have some curve, so this experiment proves that the Earth is flat.
  The Earth isn't a perfect sphere in the Round Earth Theory.  Could anyone give a more detailed explanation of the true implications of this experiment?
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Re: Arguments/Questions for parts of the FE Theory
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2009, 08:39:43 PM »
Posting from an I-pod,bitches. FAQ,lurk moar, and use the search. Also,you are misinterperting and taking my words out of context.
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Re: Arguments/Questions for parts of the FE Theory
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2009, 06:55:26 AM »
I can explain your question about the earth's velocity. It would indeed be quite unfortunate for us to be going well over the speed of light. We would have to reconstruct relativity from scratch. However, because the earth, the sun, the stars, and everything else has accelerated to this ungodly speed, what are we supposed to measure our velocity in relation to? There's no way of telling if the earth started at 0 m/s 100 years ago or 100,000,000 years ago, because we cannot see anything outside the reference frame of our universe.
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