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Why should we trust century-old experiments?

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OompaHolzbach

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Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« on: October 02, 2008, 01:33:11 PM »
As stated above. ?
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Johannes

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Re: Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2008, 01:36:24 PM »
what experiments are you talking about. If the results still work today why not? Why reinvent the wheel.
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Re: Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2008, 01:51:17 PM »
Because in my experience, they don't hold up.
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Tom Bishop

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Re: Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2008, 02:51:42 PM »
Truth doesn't have an expiration date.
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Re: Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2008, 02:53:35 PM »
Quote from: longbow64 on October 02, 2008, 01:51:17 PM
Because in my experience, they don't hold up.

You have a lot of experience with century-old experiments do you? Specifically failed ones? 
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Re: Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2008, 06:36:25 PM »
Yeah, who cares about what scientists said a hundred years ago? Relativity is so old-fashioned, not to mention Newton's laws of motion.
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Re: Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2008, 11:48:17 PM »
Quote from: Ski on October 02, 2008, 02:53:35 PM
You have a lot of experience with century-old experiments do you? Specifically failed ones? 

Well, I read Earth is Not a Globe, so yes.
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Re: Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2008, 11:54:40 PM »
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Well, I read Earth is Not a Globe, so yes.

So you've performed the experiments in Earth Not a Globe yourself?
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Re: Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2008, 01:15:25 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 02, 2008, 11:54:40 PM
So you've performed the experiments in Earth Not a Globe yourself?

Well, I have finished about three by now, and so far, not one was happened like Rowbotham has said it would.
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Re: Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2008, 02:57:04 AM »
Quote from: Rig Navigator on October 03, 2008, 01:15:25 AM
Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 02, 2008, 11:54:40 PM
So you've performed the experiments in Earth Not a Globe yourself?

Well, I have finished about three by now, and so far, not one was happened like Rowbotham has said it would.

That's interesting to me, could you tell/show (me)? I don't mind if it is by a PM, but i'm really interested, thank you!
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Re: Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2008, 03:17:25 AM »
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Re: Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2008, 03:56:21 AM »
Quote from: Tom Bishop on October 02, 2008, 02:51:42 PM
Truth doesn't have an expiration date.

You've got to admit that's a great quote.
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Re: Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2008, 05:12:12 PM »
Ok. I had read the threads with the pictures, but not the one about the peanuts, anyway I didn't know they were experiments in ENaG. Very good effort, thanks a lot, and I hope FE'ers some day will make an effort to sound the half convincing.

By the way, every day I'm more and more sure that Tom Bishop is just a guy who enters here to have fun and piss off people. He is not a FE'er nor anything, just one person doing a role in the forum. It has been stated clear on those threads.
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Re: Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2008, 06:42:45 PM »
Quote from: longbow64 on October 02, 2008, 01:51:17 PM
Because in my experience, they don't hold up.

Good Call... the Michelson Morley experiment should be trusted but the interpretation of what it meant should perhaps be re-evaluated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson-Morley_experiment

The Foucault Pendulum Need desperate attention as well...

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast06aug99_1.htm

This is a project which last I heard was losing funding and in danger of missing it's objective.

http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn13938-gravity-probe-b-scores-f-in-nasa-review.html
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Re: Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2008, 11:25:32 PM »
Quote from: MrKappa on October 03, 2008, 06:42:45 PM
Good Call... the Michelson Morley experiment should be trusted but the interpretation of what it meant should perhaps be re-evaluated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson-Morley_experiment

Through the years, the results have remained the same with continued experimentation.  Whether the interpretation shifts to something that supports the wavelike nature of matter, that could be one of the interesting areas of quantum theory over the next years.


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The Foucault Pendulum Need desperate attention as well...

http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast06aug99_1.htm

I haven't seen any contrary data resulting from those series of observations.  That article was published almost a decade ago.  Even a search of the original author doesn't really bring up any post-1999 data.


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This is a project which last I heard was losing funding and in danger of missing it's objective.

http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn13938-gravity-probe-b-scores-f-in-nasa-review.html

Hmm, a project wasn't meeting the expectations of the people providing the funding, so it is being cut.  I am not sure about your point on that one.
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Re: Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2008, 04:36:14 PM »
Quote from: Osama  bin Laden on October 02, 2008, 06:36:25 PM
Yeah, who cares about what scientists said a hundred years ago? Relativity is so old-fashioned, not to mention Newton's laws of motion.

Ummm, isn't that what FEers claim every day? 
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Re: Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2008, 04:43:42 PM »
Quote from: lolz at trollz on October 04, 2008, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: Osama  bin Laden on October 02, 2008, 06:36:25 PM
Yeah, who cares about what scientists said a hundred years ago? Relativity is so old-fashioned, not to mention Newton's laws of motion.

Ummm, isn't that what FEers claim every day? 

They rely on some form of measured skepticism I assume, however his comment does seem to be contradictory to his own words at times.
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Re: Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2008, 04:57:46 PM »
The age of the experiments is not of importance. It's all about whether the experiments deliver consistent results, whether they make verifiable predictions, whether they are falsifiable etc. Einsteins theories, while obviously not 100% perfect, have been corroborated consistently, they've made accurate predictions and have been widely verified by the scientific community and have thus held up to this day.

Rowbothams ramblings are a different story altogether. His theories don't stand up to scrutiny, he completely ignored (or made false assuptions/claims about) certain factors (such as sunrise and sunset, the southern hemisphere etc.) and his experiments could not be consistently repeated by the scientific community.
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Re: Why should we trust century-old experiments?
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2008, 09:53:23 PM »
Quote from: lolz at trollz on October 04, 2008, 04:36:14 PM
Quote from: Osama  bin Laden on October 02, 2008, 06:36:25 PM
Yeah, who cares about what scientists said a hundred years ago? Relativity is so old-fashioned, not to mention Newton's laws of motion.

Ummm, isn't that what FEers claim every day? 

I don't think any FEers believe that relativity and Newton's laws of motion are useless.
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