The FE Theory is Implausible

1. If said conspiracy exists, how is every government in the world in on it?

2. If I am in the middle of the Pacific ocean, standing on Midway Island, why can I not see any country surrounding the Pacific?

3. Why is Earth special, and why is everything downsized? The Sun is a star, and no star in the universe is 32 miles in diameter, except neutron stars.

4. Even though it's been brought up, why can you not see certain constellations in the Northern Hemisphere and Southern Hemisphere?

5. A couple hundred years ago, sailors noticed that ships leaving port often seemed like they disappeared. How is this possible in a Flat Earth scenario?

6. How do you accurately know the sun is 3000 miles from the earth? Oh, you sent a satellite there. Oh, wait. There is no such thing, so, you just contradicted your own theory.

7. If such an ice wall exists, why has no one seen it?

8. And, yes, I know, this has been asked a million times: What causes tides? And don't give me that see saw horse crap. What causes this see saw, anyway?

9. Why is every map in the world an RE map? Why isn't everything the FE map?

10. Why would a government say the earth is round, and how in hell would the get money off it?

11. How do eclipses happen in FE? Do they even exist?

12. How is climate possible in FE? How is it temperate here in Canada, but it's hot in Florida?

Quote from: Mobius 1 on August 04, 2007, 09:47:41 PM

1. If said conspiracy exists, how is every government in the world in on it?

They aren't. The space agencies are in on the conspiracy.

I'm gonna save you the whole newbie intro and cut to the chase:
1. If said conspiracy exists, how is every government in the world in on it?
2. If I am in the middle of the Pacific ocean, standing on Midway Island, why can I not see any country surrounding the Pacific?
3. Why is Earth special, and why is everything downsized? The Sun is a star, and no star in the universe is 32 miles in diameter, except neutron stars.
4. Even though it's been brought up, why can you not see certain constellations in the Northern Hemisphere and Southern Hemisphere?
5. A couple hundred years ago, sailors noticed that ships leaving port often seemed like they disappeared. How is this possible in a Flat Earth scenario?
6. How do you accurately know the sun is 3000 miles from the earth? Oh, you sent a satellite there. Oh, wait. There is no such thing, so, you just contradicted your own theory.
7. If such an ice wall exists, why has no one seen it?
8. And, yes, I know, this has been asked a million times: What causes tides? And don't give me that see saw horse crap. What causes this see saw, anyway?
9. Why is every map in the world an RE map? Why isn't everything the FE map?
10. Why would a government say the earth is round, and how in hell would the get money off it?
11. How do eclipses happen in FE? Do they even exist?
12. How is climate possible in FE? How is it temperate here in Canada, but it's hot in Florida?
And don't get all scientific on me unless you definitely need to, I'm only going to begin 10th grade next year.
And yes, I understand where the FE'ers are coming from, but the theory doesn't make any sense.

I'm gonna save you the whole newbie intro and cut to the chase:
1. If said conspiracy exists, how is every government in the world in on it?
2. If I am in the middle of the Pacific ocean, standing on Midway Island, why can I not see any country surrounding the Pacific?
3. Why is Earth special, and why is everything downsized? The Sun is a star, and no star in the universe is 32 miles in diameter, except neutron stars.
4. Even though it's been brought up, why can you not see certain constellations in the Northern Hemisphere and Southern Hemisphere?
5. A couple hundred years ago, sailors noticed that ships leaving port often seemed like they disappeared. How is this possible in a Flat Earth scenario?
6. How do you accurately know the sun is 3000 miles from the earth? Oh, you sent a satellite there. Oh, wait. There is no such thing, so, you just contradicted your own theory.
7. If such an ice wall exists, why has no one seen it?
8. And, yes, I know, this has been asked a million times: What causes tides? And don't give me that see saw horse crap. What causes this see saw, anyway?
9. Why is every map in the world an RE map? Why isn't everything the FE map?
10. Why would a government say the earth is round, and how in hell would the get money off it?
11. How do eclipses happen in FE? Do they even exist?
12. How is climate possible in FE? How is it temperate here in Canada, but it's hot in Florida?
And don't get all scientific on me unless you definitely need to, I'm only going to begin 10th grade next year.
And yes, I understand where the FE'ers are coming from, but the theory doesn't make any sense.

Quote from: divito on August 04, 2007, 09:58:00 PM

Quote from: Mobius 1 on August 04, 2007, 09:47:41 PM

1. If said conspiracy exists, how is every government in the world in on it?

They aren't. The space agencies are in on the conspiracy.

So the ancient greek space agency was in on the conspiracy?

Quote from: cbarnett97 on August 05, 2007, 10:57:09 AM

Quote from: divito on August 04, 2007, 09:58:00 PM

Quote from: Mobius 1 on August 04, 2007, 09:47:41 PM

1. If said conspiracy exists, how is every government in the world in on it?

They aren't. The space agencies are in on the conspiracy.

So the ancient greek space agency was in on the conspiracy?

And the ancient Mayans and Aztecs.

The funniest thing, to me, is that the ancient Greeks calculated not only the shape and size of the Earth, but also the size and distance to the Sun and the Moon using only observation and basic geometry - yet here we are on the internet with these FEers whose education in science and math far exceeds that of the ignorant ancient cultures, and they must call upon every type of science they can grasp at in order to reinforce their wacky theory. I guess that goes to show that knowing a lot about math and science is useless without logic.

The ancient Greeks assumed that the earth was a globe in their calculation of the earth's circumference and the distance between the sun and earth. The shape of the earth was never calculated, just assumed.

• A ship's hull disappearing over the horizon (by the way, the Earth Not a Globe perspective/wave explanation is utter falsehood and fallacy and I will not accept it as rebuttal)
• The view of the stars changes according to latitude
• The Greeks heard of a very deep well in Egypt with the strange property that at a certain time of the year, the sun shone almost directly down to the very bottom. They also knew the approximate distance from Greece to the well as well as the angle of elevation of the sun in Greece. Using simple trigonometry they were able to calculate the distance to the sun. This measurement would be only slightly different if the Earth were flat as opposed to spherical.

A ship's hull disappearing over the horizon (by the way, the Earth Not a Globe perspective/wave explanation is utter falsehood and fallacy and I will not accept it as rebuttal)

INSTANCES.--A man with light trowsers and black boots walking along a level path, will appear at a certain distance as though the boots had been removed and the trowsers brought in contact with the ground. On one occasion the author and several friends witnessed a kind of review or special drill of infantry in the open space behind the Horse Guards, at Whitehall. It was in the month of July, and the soldiers had on their summer clothing, all their "nether garments" were white, and when near to them the black well-polished boots were visible to the depth of three or four inches, standing distinctly between the white cloth of the trowsers, and the brown or yellowish gravel and sand of the parade ground. On moving a few hundred feet away, along one of the walks in St. James's Park, the three or four inches depth of black boots subtended an angle at the eye so acute that they were no longer visible, and the almost snow white trowsers of a line of men seemed to be in actual contact with the ground. Every man when turned away or whose back was towards the spectators, seemed to be footless. The effect was remarkable, and formed a very striking illustration of the true law of perspective. After observing the manœuvres for a short time. a party of soldiers were "told off" to relieve guard at St. James's and Buckingham Palaces, and on following then, down the avenue of the park we again noticed the perspective phenomenon of a line of soldiers marching apparently without feet.

The view of the stars changes according to latitude

The Greeks heard of a very deep well in Egypt with the strange property that at a certain time of the year, the sun shone almost directly down to the very bottom. They also knew the approximate distance from Greece to the well as well as the angle of elevation of the sun in Greece. Using simple trigonometry they were able to calculate the distance to the sun. This measurement would be only slightly different if the Earth were flat as opposed to spherical.

1.) read the FAQ
2.) repeat number 1, then we'll talk scientific

Quote from: silverhammermba on August 06, 2007, 01:28:07 PM

The funniest thing, to me, is that the ancient Greeks calculated not only the shape and size of the Earth, but also the size and distance to the Sun and the Moon using only observation and basic geometry - yet here we are on the internet with these FEers whose education in science and math far exceeds that of the ignorant ancient cultures, and they must call upon every type of science they can grasp at in order to reinforce their wacky theory. I guess that goes to show that knowing a lot about math and science is useless without logic.

The ancient Greeks assumed that the earth was a globe in their calculation of the earth's circumference and the distance between the sun and earth. The shape of the earth was never calculated, just assumed.

Proof that the Sun is 3,000 miles above the surface of the Earth at equinox:

On March 21-22 the sun is directly overhead at the equator and appears 45 degrees above the horizon at 45 degrees north and south latitude. As the angle of sun above the earth at the equator is 90 degrees while it is 45 degrees at 45 degrees north or south latitude, it follows that the angle at the sun between the vertical from the horizon and the line from the observers at 45 degrees north and south must also be 45 degrees. The result is two right angled triangles with legs of equal length. The distance between the equator and the points at 45 degrees north or south is approximately 3,000 miles. Ergo, the sun would be an equal distance above the equator.

Using this same astronomer's parallax method, under the assumption of a Round Earth, we will get a Earth-Sun distance of 93,000,000 miles. Ergo, we see that the shape of the earth has an effect on not only terrestrial differences, but on celestial differences as well. The entire universe changes with the shape of the earth.

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The view of the stars changes according to latitude

See Chapter 14, Section 6: Declination of the Pole Star.

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The Greeks heard of a very deep well in Egypt with the strange property that at a certain time of the year, the sun shone almost directly down to the very bottom. They also knew the approximate distance from Greece to the well as well as the angle of elevation of the sun in Greece. Using simple trigonometry they were able to calculate the distance to the sun. This measurement would be only slightly different if the Earth were flat as opposed to spherical.

In a previous thread we have reversed engineered the Greek Well experiment under the assumption of a Flat Earth and have come up with an earth-sun distance of a bit over 3,000 miles. The shape of the earth absolutely makes a difference whenever we are triangulating the distance of an object through parallax. Remember: Triangulation requires comparing angle observations from two known locations. If the earth is round we must make a compensation for the earth's rotundity between the observers. If the earth is flat we must assume flatness.

Here is the method Modern Astronomers use for calculating celestial distances. We can see right off the bat that two distant observers are used to calculate the angles, and that the angles are then calculated through a little trig under the assumption of a Round Earth. If the earth was flat then those angles would have a completely different meaning, the calculations revised.

1) This is not a parallax method!

"The apparent shift of an object as it is observed from different locations. For example, having two eyes allows your brain to consider the parallax and gives you the benefit of improved depth perception. Similarly in photogrammetry, the parallax for a point that appears in overlapping photographs is used to determine its elevation."

2) Assuming a round earth does not give the result of 93,000,000 miles.

TomB lies. The article does not rely on the assumption of a Round Earth to come up with the figure.

The perspective explanation given in Chapter 14 of Earth not a Globe is absolutely accurate and true.

Here is an unedited image The Kommunist posted here earlier: http://i8.tinypic.com/53pcsq8.jpg

When we zoom in we find that the woman on the left has missing feet: http://i19.tinypic.com/4tp574x.jpg

This "missing feet" phenomena can also be applied to every other distant person in the above image.

• A ship's hull disappearing over the horizon (by the way, the Earth Not a Globe perspective/wave explanation is still utter falsehood and fallacy and I will not accept it as rebuttal)
• The view of the stars changes according to latitude
• The Greeks heard of a very deep well in Egypt with the strange property that at a certain time of the year, the sun shone almost directly down to the very bottom. They also knew the approximate distance from Greece to the well as well as the angle of elevation of the sun in Greece. Using simple trigonometry they were able to calculate the distance to the sun. This measurement would be only slightly different if the Earth were flat as opposed to spherical.

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1) This is not a parallax method!

From wisc.edu parallax is described as:
 

"The apparent shift of an object as it is observed from different locations. For example, having two eyes allows your brain to consider the parallax and gives you the benefit of improved depth perception. Similarly in photogrammetry, the parallax for a point that appears in overlapping photographs is used to determine its elevation."

Ergo, the method I used is indeed parallax. The first location was at the equator directly beneath the sun. The second location was at 45 degrees N.

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2) Assuming a round earth does not give the result of 93,000,000 miles.

It sure does.
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I challenge you to provide the math to get 93,000,000 miles. If you're right, it should be child's play. If you're wrong, again, we'll never hear from you on this subject again.

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TomB lies. The article does not rely on the assumption of a Round Earth to come up with the figure.

From the article:



The caption reads: "Figure 1. Observation of the transit of Venus from two different locations M1 and M2 at the same time."

In step 2.2 the author goes on to calculate the amount of earth curvature between the two observers and apply it to the equation.