I read all the FAQ, I Searched the Forums and one question has not been asked...

However you splice it, and whatever terminology you use, there is a true force that pulls you into your chair and the planets into orbit, even if the explanation you use masks this fact slightly.

Like I said.

You guys have to remember that Trig has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.  So instead of doing a little research himself, he just banters on about research, experiments, etc...

Standard response #5: If you cannot argue your case, try getting personal.

We have argued and presented our case, backed by plenty of examples and quotes, yet you refuse to even consider it.  Take a look at 'Universal Acceleration 101' for evidence of this.

No, gravity AS A FORCE does not exist. Why are people so incapable of reading or using English properly?? Goddamn.

Also, why does Einstein need to state it when it's easily inferred from the results of GR? Do you need to make sure every scientist can put 2 and 2 together and quote it somewhere for you to make sure your thoughts are right?

I've also put a bunch of quotes together showing that gravity is a pseudo-force in another thread, since people seem to keep wanting those authoritative figures to tell them what has already been stated countless times.

Since gravity is defined as a force, it doesn't exist.  Its effect (gravitation) is explained through different means.

Can you link to that other thread you mention, though?  I tried doing a search for gravity and pseudo-force posted by you and it came up empty except for this thread. 

Since gravity is defined as a force, it doesn't exist.  Its effect (gravitation) is explained through different means.

Can you link to that other thread you mention, though?  I tried doing a search for gravity and pseudo-force posted by you and it came up empty except for this thread. 

I'll try to search for it. It was one of those threads where we took the gravity discussion for like 10 pages.

Since gravity is defined as a force, it doesn't exist.  Its effect (gravitation) is explained through different means.

Can you link to that other thread you mention, though?  I tried doing a search for gravity and pseudo-force posted by you and it came up empty except for this thread. 

Here you go

Gravity:   3.   gravitation in general.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gravity

Gravitation is a definition of gravity, therefore gravity exists if gravitation exists.  Gravity does not exist AS A FORCE, however.

Well if you're talking about gravitation, why not just say gravitation? 

Well if you're talking about gravitation, why not just say gravitation? 

I agree with you on that part.  ^_^

Well if you're talking about gravitation, why not just say gravitation? 

That's how all the arguments get started. People seem to enjoy using them interchangeably when they are different.

In other news, I hate this search feature. Still haven't found it. I could always research Google, but that means you could do the same. I guess it just depends on how badly you want it

We have argued and presented our case, backed by plenty of examples and quotes, yet you refuse to even consider it.  Take a look at 'Universal Acceleration 101' for evidence of this.

Example means an observation or an experiment with actual predictions. You can, for example, show me the frame of reference you use to see two people "accelerating due to Earth" from opposite sides of Earth.

Please help andrews with an actual link to one of the plenty examples you gave, to let him check for himself what you call an example.

Quote from: Roundy the Bright on August 02, 2007, 02:36:53 PM

Since gravity is defined as a force, it doesn't exist.  Its effect (gravitation) is explained through different means.

Can you link to that other thread you mention, though?  I tried doing a search for gravity and pseudo-force posted by you and it came up empty except for this thread. 

Here you go

Gravity:   3.   gravitation in general.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gravity

Gravitation is a definition of gravity, therefore gravity exists if gravitation exists.  Gravity does not exist AS A FORCE, however.

Remember that GR says that gravity may be considered a fictitious force and that FE rejects all of GR's evidence and at least one of its basic tenets. So, when debating RE vs FE, we can't assume that GR is true.

Quote from: CommonCents on August 02, 2007, 02:45:07 PM

Quote from: Roundy the Bright on August 02, 2007, 02:36:53 PM

Since gravity is defined as a force, it doesn't exist.  Its effect (gravitation) is explained through different means.

Can you link to that other thread you mention, though?  I tried doing a search for gravity and pseudo-force posted by you and it came up empty except for this thread. 

Here you go

Gravity:   3.   gravitation in general.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gravity

Gravitation is a definition of gravity, therefore gravity exists if gravitation exists.  Gravity does not exist AS A FORCE, however.

Remember that GR says that gravity may be considered a fictitious force and that FE rejects all of GR's evidence and at least one of its basic tenets. So, when debating RE vs FE, we can't assume that GR is true.

On the other hand, since they reject the concept of gravity out of hand, we can't assume gravity exists.

Remember that GR says that gravity may be considered a fictitious force and that FE rejects all of GR's evidence and at least one of its basic tenets. So, when debating RE vs FE, we can't assume that GR is true.

Has the rejection of GR and evidence been provided in the Primer? Just about to read through it.

Quote from: Gulliver on August 02, 2007, 04:09:30 PM

Remember that GR says that gravity may be considered a fictitious force and that FE rejects all of GR's evidence and at least one of its basic tenets. So, when debating RE vs FE, we can't assume that GR is true.

Has the rejection of GR and evidence been provided in the Primer? Just about to read through it.

The RE Primer does provide a few paragraphs on the topic in the section "Dealing with Gravity and General Relativity (GR)" on page 57 of the current version.

The RE Primer does provide a few paragraphs on the topic in the section "Dealing with Gravity and General Relativity (GR)" on page 57 of the current version.

Do you mind if I start chopping up the Primer?

Quote from: Gulliver on August 02, 2007, 04:24:48 PM

The RE Primer does provide a few paragraphs on the topic in the section "Dealing with Gravity and General Relativity (GR)" on page 57 of the current version.

Do you mind if I start chopping up the Primer?

Are you kidding? We've been begging for critics! Please.