So what's he a doctor of, anyway??

  • 27 Replies
  • 6612 Views
*

Roundy the Truthinessist

  • Flat Earth TheFLAMETHROWER!
  • The Elder Ones
  • 26966
  • +0/-0
  • I'm the boss.
So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« on: June 04, 2007, 11:16:05 AM »
Tom Bishop insists on referring to his (and my) hero as "Dr Rowbotham".  While I love thinking that Rowbotham might have in some way been qualified to make the observations he made as it forms the center of my whole belief system, I have yet to find any kind of evidence that he actually held a doctorate.

So how about it, Tom?  Can you show some evidence that Rowbotham was, in fact, a doctor of some sort, or do you just make it up to make him seem more legitimate?

Since I'm sure you will look at this post (you look at them all, after all), Tom, I will take silence as admission that you're talking out of your ass about this (something you have a true talent for).  If you do respond, I expect a reputable reference.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

*

Colonel Gaydafi

  • Spam Moderator
  • Planar Moderator
  • 65234
  • +17/-47
  • Queen of the gays!
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2007, 11:21:26 AM »
SPAM ATTACK...I'm joking

Tom keeps saying Rowbotham practiced medicine making him a Dr. I bet he was a quack.
Quote from: WardoggKC130FE
If Gayer doesn't remember you, you might as well do yourself a favor and become an hero.
Quote from: Raa
there is a difference between touching a muff and putting your hand into it isn't there?

*

Roundy the Truthinessist

  • Flat Earth TheFLAMETHROWER!
  • The Elder Ones
  • 26966
  • +0/-0
  • I'm the boss.
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2007, 11:22:05 AM »
Sure, I'd just like to know what college or university he received his doctorate from.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

*

Colonel Gaydafi

  • Spam Moderator
  • Planar Moderator
  • 65234
  • +17/-47
  • Queen of the gays!
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2007, 11:24:23 AM »
The University of Life?
Quote from: WardoggKC130FE
If Gayer doesn't remember you, you might as well do yourself a favor and become an hero.
Quote from: Raa
there is a difference between touching a muff and putting your hand into it isn't there?

*

Roundy the Truthinessist

  • Flat Earth TheFLAMETHROWER!
  • The Elder Ones
  • 26966
  • +0/-0
  • I'm the boss.
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2007, 11:29:32 AM »
More like the University of Lies.

Oops, did I just say that?  :o
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

?

Kasroa Is Gone

  • 6863
  • +0/-0
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2007, 11:31:51 AM »
He got an honorary Phd from the University of Scientology.

*

Tom Bishop

  • Flat Earth Believer
  • 18033
  • +6/-9
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2007, 12:03:36 PM »
Read "Flat Earth: The History of an Infamous Idea" by Christine Garwood  for a biography on Samuel Birley Rowbotham. Not only was Rowbotham an inventor and astronomer, but he held a medical practice as well. He spent much of his life as a traveling lecturer, giving hundreds of lectures across Europe at many prestigious universities. Outside of his Flat Earth interest, Dr. Rowbotham conducted serious inquiries into prolonging human life and founded several scientific societies dealing with everything from medicine, to geology, to philosophy.

*

Roundy the Truthinessist

  • Flat Earth TheFLAMETHROWER!
  • The Elder Ones
  • 26966
  • +0/-0
  • I'm the boss.
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2007, 12:06:44 PM »
Yes, that's all well and good, but what was her reference?  If her book is reputable, it would list references.  If it doesn't (and I don't know one way or another), then it's not reputable, period.

What school did he get is accreditation from?  What is his PhD actually in?  What reference did Ms Garwood give to show that he actually held a doctorate?
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

*

Mr. Ireland

  • 14986
  • +0/-0
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2007, 12:58:29 PM »
Wow, Tom knows his Rowbotham.

?

Bushido

Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2007, 04:44:29 AM »
Tom Bishop insists on referring to his (and my) hero as "Dr Rowbotham".  While I love thinking that Rowbotham might have in some way been qualified to make the observations he made as it forms the center of my whole belief system, I have yet to find any kind of evidence that he actually held a doctorate.

So how about it, Tom?  Can you show some evidence that Rowbotham was, in fact, a doctor of some sort, or do you just make it up to make him seem more legitimate?

Since I'm sure you will look at this post (you look at them all, after all), Tom, I will take silence as admission that you're talking out of your ass about this (something you have a true talent for).  If you do respond, I expect a reputable reference.

That was my question:

What was he a Doctor of, anyway?




*

Tom Bishop

  • Flat Earth Believer
  • 18033
  • +6/-9
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2007, 09:22:40 AM »
Samuel Birley Rowbotham was a doctor of medicine. He was put to rest in the Crystal Palace Cemetery as "Samuel Birley Rowbotham, M.D., Ph.D."

Historian Christine Garwood derives her sources from a number of places: County records, newspaper archives, Rowbotham's personal journals, and personal contact with his remaining family. She also gets her information from the Flat Earth library at the University of Livermore, one of the few remaining collections of Flat Earth literature.

Her book is a very interesting and amusing read. I will highly recommend it to anyone interested in the Victorian age of science.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2007, 09:27:41 AM by Tom Bishop »

?

∂G/∂x

  • 1536
  • +0/-0
  • All Rights Reversed
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2007, 09:28:22 AM »
The question is, with Christine Garwood's book not available online for citation, are you being truthful about its contents?

I do not expect to pay money to see the evidence you rely on.
Quote from: Tom Bishop
The universe has already expanded forever

Quote from: Proverbs 24:17
Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth.

*

Roundy the Truthinessist

  • Flat Earth TheFLAMETHROWER!
  • The Elder Ones
  • 26966
  • +0/-0
  • I'm the boss.
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2007, 10:53:28 AM »

That was my question:

What was he a Doctor of, anyway?

Wow, almost to the letter!  ;D
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

?

Gulliver

  • 3804
  • +0/-0
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2007, 11:36:52 AM »
The question is, with Christine Garwood's book not available online for citation, are you being truthful about its contents?

I do not expect to pay money to see the evidence you rely on.
I've ordered the last copy available on Amazon. I'll have it in hand within two weeks. I'll verify each of Tom's claim and provide any quotes that impugn Mr. Rowbotham or FE.

*

Colonel Gaydafi

  • Spam Moderator
  • Planar Moderator
  • 65234
  • +17/-47
  • Queen of the gays!
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2007, 11:50:07 AM »
You got the last copy? You bastard! Can I borrow it once you're done?
Quote from: WardoggKC130FE
If Gayer doesn't remember you, you might as well do yourself a favor and become an hero.
Quote from: Raa
there is a difference between touching a muff and putting your hand into it isn't there?

?

Gulliver

  • 3804
  • +0/-0
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2007, 11:51:20 AM »
You got the last copy? You bastard! Can I borrow it once you're done?
Of course, dear friend! Of course!

*

Colonel Gaydafi

  • Spam Moderator
  • Planar Moderator
  • 65234
  • +17/-47
  • Queen of the gays!
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2007, 11:53:42 AM »
Score! You still have my address right?
Quote from: WardoggKC130FE
If Gayer doesn't remember you, you might as well do yourself a favor and become an hero.
Quote from: Raa
there is a difference between touching a muff and putting your hand into it isn't there?

*

Chris Spaghetti

  • Flat Earth Editor
  • 12631
  • +0/-4
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2007, 11:54:28 AM »
Doctor positions mean nothing. I mean look at jeremy Clarkson, he's a doctor in engineering bu he says in one episode of top gear he's never held a spanner in his life.

not discrediting rowbotham (i have other threads for that) because his might, and probably was legitimate, I'm just saying...

*

Colonel Gaydafi

  • Spam Moderator
  • Planar Moderator
  • 65234
  • +17/-47
  • Queen of the gays!
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2007, 12:02:28 PM »
Jeremy Clarkson doesn't need to hold a spanner to be the God of engineering though
Quote from: WardoggKC130FE
If Gayer doesn't remember you, you might as well do yourself a favor and become an hero.
Quote from: Raa
there is a difference between touching a muff and putting your hand into it isn't there?

?

Kasroa Is Gone

  • 6863
  • +0/-0
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2007, 12:16:36 PM »
If I could have Clarkson's babies I would.

?

∂G/∂x

  • 1536
  • +0/-0
  • All Rights Reversed
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2007, 02:46:23 PM »
Gayer can. Do it Gayer!
Quote from: Tom Bishop
The universe has already expanded forever

Quote from: Proverbs 24:17
Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth.

*

Colonel Gaydafi

  • Spam Moderator
  • Planar Moderator
  • 65234
  • +17/-47
  • Queen of the gays!
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2007, 02:49:38 PM »
For the good of mankind I will have Clarkson's babies...
Quote from: WardoggKC130FE
If Gayer doesn't remember you, you might as well do yourself a favor and become an hero.
Quote from: Raa
there is a difference between touching a muff and putting your hand into it isn't there?

?

Gulliver

  • 3804
  • +0/-0
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2007, 08:25:45 PM »
Samuel Birley Rowbotham was a doctor of medicine. He was put to rest in the Crystal Palace Cemetery as "Samuel Birley Rowbotham, M.D., Ph.D."

Historian Christine Garwood derives her sources from a number of places: County records, newspaper archives, Rowbotham's personal journals, and personal contact with his remaining family. She also gets her information from the Flat Earth library at the University of Livermore, one of the few remaining collections of Flat Earth literature.

Her book is a very interesting and amusing read. I will highly recommend it to anyone interested in the Victorian age of science.
Let's review TomB statement here. First, let's actually see the passage from the book (page 151):

Parallax's family and friends were understandably distressed. On New Year's Eve 1884 they laid him to rest as Samuel Birley Rowbotham, M. D., Ph. D. in Crystal Palace District Cemetery under a gravestone bearing testament to his zeletic teachings.74

Footnote 74: Earth not a Globe Review, no. 4, October 1893, p. 14.

Now first we see that it was the family and friends who decided the title here and then that its record is taken from a biased journal's article almost nine years later. That's hardly proof of a respectable degree. There are thousands of people with inconsequential Ph. D.s (honorary, diploma mill, even forged) today. TomB's datum is not conclusive and should be disregarded.

*

Tom Bishop

  • Flat Earth Believer
  • 18033
  • +6/-9
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2007, 08:31:15 PM »
Quote
There are thousands of people with inconsequential Ph. D.s (honorary, diploma mill, even forged) today. TomB's datum is not conclusive and should be disregarded.

That's quite enough, Gulliver.

First you said that I was making up Dr. Rowbotham's doctorate. I told you to buy Ms. Garwood's book to verify it for yourself.

Now that you have finally purchased the book you're calling historian Christine Garwood a liar and a poor historian. You're calling Rowbotham's family a bunch of liars who don't even know where he went to school. You wouldn't be convinced even if you saw Rowbotham's doctorate for yourself. It would be declared a "forgery."
« Last Edit: June 11, 2007, 08:35:36 PM by Tom Bishop »

?

slappy

  • 281
  • +0/-0
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2007, 08:39:50 PM »
Well to be honest, it would be nice to see a valid certificate, or to see an accredited University confirm his doctorate. Do you have any idea how many creationists have PhDs? (of questionable origins mind you). But regardless, that's not the point. Personally, I'm not particularly irked if you refer to him as Dr. Rowbotham. The title of MD or PhD does not automatically make one right in my opinion. Lots of individuals with MDs and PhDs have been wrong about oh so much. For instance, sad as it may be, it is perfectly possible these days for someone (in the US especially) to get their MD with only a slight and frankly laughable understanding of evolutionary theory (the cornerstone of modern biology upon which medicine is founded.. a scary thought, both to myself and other doctors out there). But my point is this: I'm more concenred about peer review and consensus within the scientific community, than with one man's theories and explanations, especially when I can counter many of them myself. His titles mean nothing if his ideas don't stand up to scrutiny. But alas, if we are going to discuss particulars about the individual, let's not also forget that in addition to his degrees (which let's say he had) he was also a biblical literalist. Hmm...
Quote
Quote
Hmm... A good solid RE arguement and not an FE'er in sight. ::)
Oh, no...they're here. It's just that damn perspective..

?

Gulliver

  • 3804
  • +0/-0
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2007, 08:41:46 PM »
Quote
There are thousands of people with inconsequential Ph. D.s (honorary, diploma mill, even forged) today. TomB's datum is not conclusive and should be disregarded.

That's quite enough, Gulliver.

First you said that I was making up Dr. Rowbotham's doctorate. I told you to buy Ms. Garwood's book to verify it for yourself.

Now that you have finally purchased the book you're calling historian Christine Garwood a liar and a poor historian. You're calling Rowbotham's family a bunch of liars who don't even know where he went to school. You've said it yourself that you wouldn't be convinced even if you saw Rowbotham's doctorate for yourself. It would be declared a "forgery."
No. I require evidence. Provide it, and I'll be happy to agree. I did not call Christine Garwood anything. Yes, I'd go so far as to doubt the truthfulness of Rowbotham's family and friends. Make something up, exaggerate the quotes, or play loose with the facts, you'll be questioned and challenged.

*

Roundy the Truthinessist

  • Flat Earth TheFLAMETHROWER!
  • The Elder Ones
  • 26966
  • +0/-0
  • I'm the boss.
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2007, 08:43:05 PM »
Quote
There are thousands of people with inconsequential Ph. D.s (honorary, diploma mill, even forged) today. TomB's datum is not conclusive and should be disregarded.

That's quite enough, Gulliver.

First you said that I was making up Dr. Rowbotham's doctorate. I told you to buy Ms. Garwood's book to verify it for yourself.

Now that you have finally purchased the book you're calling historian Christine Garwood a liar and a poor historian. You're calling Rowbotham's family a bunch of liars who don't even know where he went to school. You wouldn't be convinced even if you saw Rowbotham's doctorate for yourself. It would be declared a "forgery."

Again, quoted for irony.
Where did you educate the biology, in toulet?

*

token

  • 501
  • +0/-0
  • Why don't you go fuck a rolling doughnut!
Re: So what's he a doctor of, anyway??
« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2007, 08:44:58 PM »
Footnote 74: Earth not a Globe Review, no. 4, October 1893, p. 14.

Now first we see that it was the family and friends who decided the title here and then that its record is taken from a biased journal's article almost nine years later. That's hardly proof of a respectable degree. There are thousands of people with inconsequential Ph. D.s (honorary, diploma mill, even forged) today. TomB's datum is not conclusive and should be disregarded.
If that's actually in the book, then Tom has no other option but to believe it. Doesn't he swear by the book? Anyhow, those are two contradicting ideas (note, I wrote 'ideas'. Either one could be correct).

Still a bit hazy, though, isn't it?

Anyway, since a doctorate means little, I don't see how this would help in supporting the Flat Earth Theory or otherwise.

Thread end?
Maybe I will!