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Flat Earth Debate / The Night Sky Revisited

« Last post by Timeisup on Today at 01:12:35 AM »

One of the mantras of the FE believers is ‘ seeing is believing’, which at times can be reasonable advice.
Consider this; f a thousand observers were to position themselves along a line of longitude  all equally spaced and take images of the night sky, during their respective hours of darkness. If the images were then used to produce a short 40 second animation what would the resulting animation show? Could this same animation be produced  on both a spherical and flat earth or would it be observable proof of a spherical earth?
While such an experiment could conceivably be done it can however be carried out by creating a simulation.
https://stellarium-web.org/
The question is would FE advocates take this evidence as proof of a spherical earth or would they dismiss it?

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Flat Earth General / Re: ANOTHER EXPERIMENT: Gravity Doesn't Exist

« Last post by JackBlack on Today at 12:57:45 AM »

Even the smaller mass the easier to fall, if gravity existed.

Not if it has to push denser mass out of the way.

Do it in a vacuum and see what happens.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?

« Last post by JackBlack on Today at 12:52:23 AM »

incremental change

What incremental change?
You were just appealing to the moon being upside down in the southern hemisphere.
Stick to that argument rather than trying to mend it once it has fallen to pieces.

What was wrong with my explanation for why the moon appears to be upside down in the southern hemisphere for a FE?

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?

« Last post by JackBlack on Today at 12:51:16 AM »

I'm not presenting a dishonest diagram, at all.

Again, your use of a line instead of an actual FOV shows that you are presenting a dishonest diagram.

Again, if your diagram was honest, instead of those pathetic lines you would have something like this:


Again, if you wish to continue your lie and pretend it is justified at all, rather than dishonest garbage, you need to tell us what magic stops the blue line.

You have been provided with plenty of ways to show your claims are BS, and you refuse to do any of them.
It is literally your outright lie against everything else.

Likewise, if you wish to continue with your lie and pretend the RE can't possibly have a horizon, you need to tell us what magic causes it to be a blend from light to dark instead.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?

« Last post by Timeisup on Today at 12:48:43 AM »

You saying you have provided an explanation is false.

No, it is quite true.
Again, the pasting pictures on your roof was just to make it simple enough for you to understand.

Do you not agree that things look different depending on what angle you view it from?

What exactly are you claiming is nonsense?

Your claim that the moon appearing upside down in the southern hemisphere is proof that Earth is round.

And yes, I know you didn't explicitly claim that, but it was clear that that was your implication.

..... so what your saying is the incremental change in the appearance of the moon while moving down a line of longitude is not proof of a spherical earth, and those very same observations could be made on a flat earth. Is that what you are claiming?....while at the same time also causing the night sky to rotate. Remember the moon is only one part of the night sky, the dominant one, but for an observer moving along a line of longitude the whole shooting match changes, moon, stars, planets, observable galaxies..... everything..... and you claim this can all happen in a flat earth, your proof gleaned from pasting pictures on your ceiling!
Please explain how the actual rotation of the heavens happens incrementally when moving from one side of your flat earth to the next.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?

« Last post by sobchak on Today at 12:42:41 AM »

As you stated, if you use a tube that creates a MagicTunnel vision, that would be true. 

It's not a magic tunnel vision, it is a tunnel vision.

Here's some magic tunnel vision:

I like this one best.  The horizon is clearly lower than the midline, so it can not be pointed down, and yet we can see a downward sloping road in the distance. 

Imagine that.

There is no horizon in that picture. Imagine that.

lol.  You never fail to disappoint. 

Keep pretending.

There is no pretence, it's there in your face. Ask the person who put up the picture, if you need clarity.

Sceptimatic, why dont you drop the pretense and simply admit you were wrong about how you though vision works through a tube.  I know you feel you will lose face, but being able to admit you are wrong is actually a strength, not a weakness.  EVERYONE knows you are wrong. Everyone. Even you. It is as clear as the holographic sun in the sky on a bright blue day. 

Just move on. Okay, you lost this one.  Bad.  Spectacularly even.  But learning from failure is what people do to grow and progress. 

No one will think less of you for simply acknowledging the facts and stopping this silly pretense about MagicTunnel vision. 

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The Lounge / Re: Okay,j Look ,,, listen/! ?Smnell!

« Last post by Jura-Glenlivet II on Today at 12:32:33 AM »

Crout's, how are you feeling today?

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?

« Last post by Stash on Today at 12:30:30 AM »

As you stated, if you use a tube that creates a MagicTunnel vision, that would be true. 

It's not a magic tunnel vision, it is a tunnel vision.

Here's some magic tunnel vision:

I like this one best.  The horizon is clearly lower than the midline, so it can not be pointed down, and yet we can see a downward sloping road in the distance. 

Imagine that.

There is no horizon in that picture. Imagine that.

Wait. Now I'm confused. You say that on a Globe Earth you don't see a horizon. Then for this picture you're saying that you don't see a horizon. So that means this image, according to your logic, is showing a Globe Earth.

You're getting very desperate. I can see you're looking for the usual back patting.
I'm sitting back smirking at your silly post.

Just using your own logic.

In any case. It appears that we have a lot of evidence that looking through a tube lets you still see the ground. And not this magic tunnel vision you've concocted. So that argument of yours is moot and debunked. Moving on. Unless you'd like to present some evidence to the contrary.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Marijuana prohibition nearing an end?

« Last post by Stash on Today at 12:26:18 AM »

Huh? Are you having a psychotic attack due to smoking too much weed? Or where did I make any claims about death stats?

3) just because other things kill, too, doens't mean deaths due to weed are unimportant.

What is the evidence for "deaths due to weed"?

Lung cancer. Driving under influence. Suicide due to weed induced psychosis.

Right. So smoking just about anything isn't going to be great for your lungs, granted. But what about edibles? That's what lots and lots of people do now. And is there any direct evidence that smoking pot does, in fact, cause lung cancer?

Where is the evidence/stats for deaths due to driving whilst high on pot?

Where's the evidence/stats for suicide due to pot induced psychosis?

You say these things happen but you haven't presented anything that says these things happen other than you just saying these things happen. Where are you getting your information from? Specifically about death associated with cannabis use.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?

« Last post by Lorddave on Today at 12:25:08 AM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/2021/01/18/pelosi-laptop-riley-june-williams/

An ex-partner of Williams’s, identified only as W1 in court filings, told the FBI that friends of Williams played a video of her stealing the drive or computer from Pelosi’s office, and that Williams “intended to send the computer device to a friend in Russia, who then planned to sell the device to SVR, Russia’s foreign intelligence service,” a criminal complaint states.

This is what it means to be a patriot Trump MAGA. Selling classified information from your government and selling to Russia....

Potential classified data.  According to Pelosi, it was just used for presentations.

But I'm wondering if the IT at the capitol is any good.  I mean, no compuTrace?  No instant wipe setup?  Bitlocker encryption?  Or does it have all those and the lady hasn't turned it on yet?