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Flat Earth Q&A / Going 'round the world...
« on: May 01, 2006, 01:41:10 AM »
Quote from: "zanzobar"
my question is why would i want to fly around like the hand on the clock when i don't have to?  i want to save fuel and time so i will go the shortest distance necessary. LOGIC.


When you don't have to? You want to save fuel, therefore the Earth is round so you can do so? I see your logic now. Good job for showing us FEers what-for and proving, once and for all, that the world is round!


--Chal

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: lol erasmus
« on: May 01, 2006, 01:34:09 AM »
Quote from: "Roro"
If that were true, then the friction caused by the Earth's constantly increasing speed would literally make humans blush themselves to death


I do hope you mean blushing in their feet.


--Chal

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Flat Earth Q&A / the bible
« on: April 30, 2006, 08:00:58 PM »
Quote from: "Erasmus"
Do you mean, "You just arranged things so that I would not have to do the work of proving that the Earth is flat, by doing the work for me."?  or, "You just gave evidence that is sufficient to make me believe the Earth is flat."?


Both. If FE is as probable as creationism, then creationists (myself included) would take that as meaning that Earth is flat. Of course, I realize that what he said was simply an assertion, but it was from an REer, and he walked right into it.


--Chal

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Flat Earth Q&A / Proof for a flat earth is all around us
« on: April 30, 2006, 07:56:46 PM »
Quote from: "zanzobar"
what is the closest land mass to the ice wall, and what is that distance?  what coast do i set sail from and how far "rimward" would one have to go.


Travel southward from the tip of South America, Africa, or from the bottom edge of Australia. You'll reach a vast wasteland of ice, which you can walk across for a long, long time and never find anything or anyone. The ice wall is very vast. Good luck finding the edge. (Note: Before someone else mentions my contradiction of the usual FE statements, I do not believe the standard ice wall conspiracy theory.)


--Chal

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Flat Earth Q&A / the bible
« on: April 30, 2006, 07:49:27 PM »
Quote from: "zanzobar"
the flat earth "theory" is about as probable as the creationism.


Thank you, my friend. You just proved FE for me, and I didn't have to say a single word.


--Chal

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Flat Earth Q&A / Signals from space
« on: April 30, 2006, 09:26:45 AM »
I'd love to comment, but anything I say right now will probably have been predicted as an "FE comment," so I'll refrain.

Incidentally, I'd be interested to help, but doubt I have the necessary equipment or skill. If standard radios, etc., will work for this, though, and you need a third reciever, let me know.


--Chal

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The Lounge / Just stop and think for a minute.
« on: April 30, 2006, 09:08:23 AM »
Quote from: "troubadour"
No words come to mind to explain your ignorance of reality.


Why? I'm guessing you're an atheist, commenting on religious devotion. That, or it's the assertion that the "photo" is faked.

If the former, you've no place to comment: You don't understand faith, and shouldn't pass judgement. I was attempting to explain that not all geocentrists are so caught up in themselves that the universe must revolve around them. And for that I get bashed? Okies, I guess you're so blinded with hatred for anyone who opposes your ideas that you have to bash people who don't hold them to make yourself feel superior.

If the latter, that "photo" is so incredibly simple that I'd bet my grandmother, who's never touched a computer in her life, could make that, lower the resolution, and voila.

Whatever the reason, that comment was without basis and completely out of line.


--Chal

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The Lounge / Just stop and think for a minute.
« on: April 29, 2006, 11:42:17 AM »
Quote from: "troubadour"
exactly, yet we think so highly of ourselves, like we are the center of the universe, so wrapped up in our little meaningless little lives, on this dot. A grain of sand in a vast desert.


Well, being a geocentrist and FEer, I must disagree with that notion that it's because we think highly of ourselves.

For me, geocentrism is more of a devotion to the Gods and honouring of all They've created and keep working in such a splendid manner than it is an "I think I'm the best person ever, and the whole universe must revolve around me."

And actually, now that I think of it, I must challenge the validity of that photograph for the usual reason. That particular one doesn't even need a lot of work to make/forge, it's so simple.


--Chal

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Flat Earth Q&A / Where is the edge of the earth?
« on: April 28, 2006, 10:47:43 AM »
Quote from: "troubadour"
we have the best scientists, and the best idiots too.


Ouch, two of the worst things to have.


--Chal

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Flat Earth Q&A / Dark Energy
« on: April 27, 2006, 06:15:44 PM »
The only thing I can possibly think of is that biological organisms are immune to it's effect, but other things are not. I have no way to back this up, but unless someone can think of a better explanation, that one's the best I've found. I don't believe in the upward motion theory/assertion/whatever, either, for the record.


--Chal

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Flat Earth Q&A / A new idea (I hope)...
« on: April 27, 2006, 11:39:49 AM »
Quote from: "monkeyman"
Yeah, a round earth.


I knew this comment was coming. Thank you for justifying my starting a similar topic on the FE board.

And, as Unimportant said, um, what do plane trips have to do with relativity? You've got me curious now.


--Chal

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Flat Earth Q&A / Cardinal Directions for Flat Earth
« on: April 27, 2006, 10:14:23 AM »
Quote from: "Unimportant"
How can you say the cardinal directions North, South, East, and West don't apply to a flat earth[...]


...especially since they were used on the flat Earth first? :?


--Chal

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Flat Earth Q&A / Where is the edge of the earth?
« on: April 27, 2006, 10:07:50 AM »
Quote from: "Joe_Mama"
HOWEVER, I'm still a little confused with what you are saying.  If we were constantly accelerating upwards, what is stopping us from hitting the sun.  Or the moon?  How about the stars?


I believe the rapid upward motion theory assumes that whatever is moving the Earth (most say dark matter) is also moving those entities you mentioned.


--Chal

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / logic
« on: April 27, 2006, 09:59:54 AM »
Quote from: "Knight"
Let me manipulate Chaltier's quotes here:

Quote from: "Chaltier"
I am...a failure


Quote from: "Chaliter"
I am a flat Earther.


Quote from: "Chaltier"
flat Earthers are...failures


It's all for fun and games, no hard feelings  :D


 :P I wondered who'd do that first.


Energy can move things.

I can move things.

Therefore, I am energy.

Energy can move the Earth.

Therefore, I can move the Earth.


Welp, I guess that ends the arguments against the Upward Rapid Motion theory. It would appear I'm the one moving the Earth.

 :D


--Chal

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Flat Earth Believers / Atmosphere
« on: April 27, 2006, 09:58:21 AM »
This has been brought up many times, and every time (that I've read), RE hasn't really let us discuss this without interference. So, any ideas about how the atmosphere might work on the flat Earth?

I've suggested that there's a nontangible (to us) dome around the Earth that keeps it in. The Mesopotamian Model, I believe, has a very tangible dome that keeps it in. I'm not sure what Rowbotham has said about it, if he said anything about it. Any others?


--Chal

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: A new idea (I hope)...
« on: April 27, 2006, 09:52:43 AM »
Quote from: "monkeyman"
First off,Knight, when I meant curvature I was signifying on a huge scale (i.e. round earth) and I thought that maybe the people at this forum would be intelligent enough to deduce this fact.  Obviously I was proven wrong.


What you meant to say doesn't matter. What you say does. Be specific.

Quote from: "Marshy"
Quote from: "Erasmus"
how can an atmospher exist on a flat earth? wouldn't the clouds just float off the edge or whatever?


This has been brought up before. I suggest that there's a "dome" of sorts that keeps it in. This dome doesn't necessarily have to be tangible to us, but it certainly affects the atmosphere. Just a theory, but does anyone have a better idea?


--Chal

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Flat Earth Q&A / the
« on: April 27, 2006, 01:42:26 AM »
Okies, well, with no responses from either forum, I'll go ahead and change that.

Any REer who's shown reason and fairness, has debated pro-FE at least once, and wishes to take part in the new forum, PM me.

And with that, perhaps this thing'll get off the ground. :)


--Chal

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / logic
« on: April 26, 2006, 06:07:11 PM »
Quote from: "lizardogre"
Type in "failure" on google,
press "I'm feeling lucky".


Yep, that one was funny when it was first discovered.

Typing "failure" on Google.com, following by clicking the "I'm feeling lucky" button leads one to the White House web site.

George Bush lives in the White House.

Therefore, George Bush is a failure.

Therefore, when you type "failure" on Google.com, following by clicking the "I'm feeling lucky" button, you do not find my house's web site.

I do not live in the White House.

Therefore, I am not Geroge Bush.

Therefore, I am not a failure.

George Bush is a round Earther.

Therefore, round Earthers are failures.

I am a flat Earther.

Therefore, flat Earthers are not failures.

 :D


--Chal

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Flat Earth Q&A / the
« on: April 26, 2006, 05:53:16 PM »
Quote from: "lizardogre"
If you let me post in there, I have actually had quite alot of ideas to prove that the Earth is flat (I'm still a round alearther though), and I wouldn't even talk about Round Earth there, though I'm not a very good member yet (only joined a week ago).


Well, I'm currently thinking of opening the forum to some REers, so long as they post within the rules defined therein. I've asked for feedback on the idea on the mod forum, so I'm waiting to hear what the others think before doing this. If this is changed, I'd expect the admission requirements to be something along the lines of:

I: Must have participated in ~x number of debates in which you have argued pro-FE (mock arguments don't count).

II: Must agree to post within the rules of the believers' forum. All posts that break the rules will be deleted.

III: Must apply to the board moderator(s) and be approved. Even if conditions I and II are met, you may be turned down if the moderator(s) has doubts about your ability to follow to the rules of the believers' forum.

(Flat Earth believers may have any or all of these requirements waived at the discretion of the moderator(s). Any or all of these are, naturally, subject to waiving for any board member by the administration.)

It's a bit lonely with only three members (one of whom rarely posts, another who's on holiday, and myself), so I'm hoping to get some such thing working soon. Any ideas for additional conditions or alterations to them would be nice, also. Speaking of which, Unimportant, check your PM box when you get the chance.

Quote from: "Erasmus"
Quote from: "Chaltier"
Most of the internet is pro-RE,



Not the least example of which is this forum.


Too true. :shock:


--Chal

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Flat Earth Q&A / the
« on: April 26, 2006, 10:15:46 AM »
Quote from: "Marshy"
I think there should be a Round Earth forum too, to discuss evidence for the round earth, to keep this discussion balanced.


I thought of suggesting that, but then quickly realized how foolish it'd be. Most of the internet is pro-RE, and there are plenty of places to discuss it besides the Flat Earth Society.


--Chal

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Flat Earth Q&A / I already fell off the Earth...
« on: April 26, 2006, 01:24:59 AM »
Quote from: "Jaxson"
Man, look it up. Nunavut is covered in darkness for 6 months in a year. It is in encyclopedia's, on the internet, documented in books. People have been there and seen it. It is a fact that it is dark there for 6 months in a year, if you live in Canada you know that.


The question isn't "Have other people claimed to have seen it?" It's "Have you seen it?" coupled with "Why should I believe you?"

I'm not implying that I shouldn't believe you, necessarily, but I'd like to hear your reasoning for it.


--Chal

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Flat Earth Q&A / Cardinal Directions for Flat Earth
« on: April 26, 2006, 12:50:45 AM »
Quote from: "Jaxson"
that doesn't make sense if west is sunwards, because the sun moves.


The sun travels west.

Quote from: "Jaxson"
And if the earth is flat, isn't the rim all around us?


Righto.


--Chal

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / logic
« on: April 24, 2006, 08:02:30 PM »
Adolf Hitler drank water.
I drink water.
Therefore, I am Adolf Hitler.

 :shock:


--Chal

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Quote from: "Four Fifths"
That's not to say the others don't hop the fence on occassion...


As in, life forms from the other side of the "fence" coming here from the outside? It'd explain quite a few strange people... :shock:


--Chal

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Flat Earth Believers / Shape of the Earth
« on: April 24, 2006, 06:20:21 PM »
No, I don't mean flat vs. round. I'm wondering what shape FE believers think that flat Earth is and why. This not only includes the shape of the surface, but also the rest of the Earth (ie a disc, a square, a cube, a cylinder, etc.).

I, myself, am a bit torn on this subject, so I won't start. Anyone else care to?


--Chal

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Quote from: "mbczion"
Quote from: "EnragedPenguin"
This one's real: http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/fe-scidi.htm


This is the only FE site that I have seen that seems to be "real" (i.e. they are actually serious about what they are claiming and not spoofing).


Well, I don't think the writer of the article believes it (Robert J. Schadewald, to whom that article is copywrited, was definately an REer), but at least it's something on Charles Johnson that's untainted by RE bias.


--Chal

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Vikings
« on: April 24, 2006, 10:42:36 AM »
Quote from: "Hamburger"
the Vikings have been able to navigate to America , hundreds of years before columbus turned up at the south american continent .

The Vikings knew that the world is round .


They may have believed the world was round, but that example certainly doesn't show it. Circumnavigation is possible in most FE models.


--Chal

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Flat Earth Q&A / Orbiting
« on: April 24, 2006, 01:29:35 AM »
The only problem anything with orbiting the sun is that for something to orbit the sun, it needs to have gravity, and most FEers, myself included, seem to be all over the map on what does and does not have gravity, based on our ideas of how gravity works; it's one of those points we can't seem to agree upon.

So this post is at least somewhat productive, I'll suggest that they orbit the centre of the Earth.


--Chal

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Quote from: "cheesejoff"
I imagine they'd use this:

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/S/spacecadets/about/index.html


Yep.


--Chal

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Extraterristrial Life?
« on: April 23, 2006, 08:48:18 PM »
Quote from: "Knight"
...if you don't know of any creatures living "within," then I suppose you've never once dug a hole in the ground and found an earthworm.


I almost elaborated more on that point, perhaps stating how deep in the Earth I was referring to, but it would have destroyed the semi-humourous nature of the statement.


--Chal

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