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Flat Earth General / Re: live iss!
« on: February 19, 2013, 03:47:03 PM »
Weve gone from hugge launches to the space station with the shuttle and what not, on a supposed massive launch pad at Houston /kennedy etc with fixed cameras and all the trimming, this this piece of crap launch that stinks to high heaven of a model rocket and , "look", it's so hi tech, it's recorded on some bozo's bloody phone or small video cam, hundreds of metres away.
Does anybody feel that their intelligence is insulted with this crap?

Why in the hell does day turn into night?

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">Chris Hadfield Launches to Space

If they're hundreds of meters away then their exact distance and a point of comparison is all that's needed to determine the actual size of the rocket. Note also the rate at which the rocket leaves the pad. If it were a model, the flames ejected from the engines wouldn't be nearly as large and wouldn't appear to be moving so slowly in comparison to #ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">this model rocket of the Saturn V.

Secondly, day doesn't turn into night; the lighting changes due to the focus of the bright flames ejected from the rocket, causing everything else surrounding it to appear darker. You can see this for yourself by going to your nearest lamp and taking a picture of the lit bulb. Everything else surrounding it will appear darker.
Save it for some fool that believes your crap.

You totally just debunked his claims with your insightful position backed with evidence.
Come on sport. You can do better than that. ;D

Do better than what? Are you going to just completely avoid his claims with:

Save it for some fool that believes your crap.

And then tell ME(the one who called you out on it) to do better?  ???
YAWN.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 03:44:55 PM »
Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared. Actually not that difficult. Pretty straight forward.
Granted.

Now do the full equation.  ;D

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Flat Earth General / Re: live iss!
« on: February 19, 2013, 03:34:50 PM »
Weve gone from hugge launches to the space station with the shuttle and what not, on a supposed massive launch pad at Houston /kennedy etc with fixed cameras and all the trimming, this this piece of crap launch that stinks to high heaven of a model rocket and , "look", it's so hi tech, it's recorded on some bozo's bloody phone or small video cam, hundreds of metres away.
Does anybody feel that their intelligence is insulted with this crap?

Why in the hell does day turn into night?

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">Chris Hadfield Launches to Space

If they're hundreds of meters away then their exact distance and a point of comparison is all that's needed to determine the actual size of the rocket. Note also the rate at which the rocket leaves the pad. If it were a model, the flames ejected from the engines wouldn't be nearly as large and wouldn't appear to be moving so slowly in comparison to #ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">this model rocket of the Saturn V.

Secondly, day doesn't turn into night; the lighting changes due to the focus of the bright flames ejected from the rocket, causing everything else surrounding it to appear darker. You can see this for yourself by going to your nearest lamp and taking a picture of the lit bulb. Everything else surrounding it will appear darker.
Save it for some fool that believes your crap.

You totally just debunked his claims with your insightful position backed with evidence.
Come on sport. You can do better than that. ;D

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Flat Earth General / Re: live iss!
« on: February 19, 2013, 03:27:22 PM »
Weve gone from hugge launches to the space station with the shuttle and what not, on a supposed massive launch pad at Houston /kennedy etc with fixed cameras and all the trimming, this this piece of crap launch that stinks to high heaven of a model rocket and , "look", it's so hi tech, it's recorded on some bozo's bloody phone or small video cam, hundreds of metres away.
Does anybody feel that their intelligence is insulted with this crap?

Why in the hell does day turn into night?

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">Chris Hadfield Launches to Space

If they're hundreds of meters away then their exact distance and a point of comparison is all that's needed to determine the actual size of the rocket. Note also the rate at which the rocket leaves the pad. If it were a model, the flames ejected from the engines wouldn't be nearly as large and wouldn't appear to be moving so slowly in comparison to #ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">this model rocket of the Saturn V.

Secondly, day doesn't turn into night; the lighting changes due to the focus of the bright flames ejected from the rocket, causing everything else surrounding it to appear darker. You can see this for yourself by going to your nearest lamp and taking a picture of the lit bulb. Everything else surrounding it will appear darker.
Save it for some fool that believes your crap.

25595
Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 03:21:56 PM »
You do realize the equation e=mc2 was probably used to maintain the nuclear reactor which provided you with the electricity to write that very post.... right?  :-\
I sincerely doubt that very much. E=MC2 is a complete load of old cobblers as far as I'm concerned. It's just a stupendously baffling equation made to make people believe in magic. It's so complex that top scientists cannot even work the equation out because it's so brain busting.

...

You were wrong the first time you made this claim and you are wrong again. If they can't work out the equation then why does the equation exist? Your ignorance does not count as evidence for your arguments.
[/quote] Ok, I submit  to your superior knowledge.
IF....
 You can do the full equation that ends with E=MC2 and explain it all. Once you do that, I will roll my cap around my fingers and say, " I've made a mistake and I'm truly sorry, I bow to your superior knowledge."

Ok , the ball is in your court Sir.

25596
Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 03:18:26 PM »
If an atmosphere is needed for rockets to work then why is there a slight increase in thrust and efficiency the higher up the rocket is? Obviously there is less air up there so by your logic it should work the opposite.

Could you please answer the question now?

Seriously Sceptimatic why do rockets work like this in real life?

That is, if you still believe your theory on why rockets work.
I still stand fast on them needing an atmosphere to work in yes.
I 100% stand by my stance on them not working in the vacuum of space as we are told space is.Which I don't believe it is what we are told to be honest.

I happen to think getting out of our atmosphere would be impossible and a shit load scarier than just breaking through an atmosphere into a vacuum.

You didn't answer the question, could you please answer the question?
Put the question to me that you want answered.

25597
Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 01:05:58 PM »
If an atmosphere is needed for rockets to work then why is there a slight increase in thrust and efficiency the higher up the rocket is? Obviously there is less air up there so by your logic it should work the opposite.

Could you please answer the question now?

Seriously Sceptimatic why do rockets work like this in real life?

That is, if you still believe your theory on why rockets work.
I still stand fast on them needing an atmosphere to work in yes.
I 100% stand by my stance on them not working in the vacuum of space as we are told space is.Which I don't believe it is what we are told to be honest.

I happen to think getting out of our atmosphere would be impossible and a shit load scarier than just breaking through an atmosphere into a vacuum.

The energy is being produced inside the engine, what's so hard to understand?  >:(
If I want to blow torch your hair and set it alight, I can light my blow torch and be sure that the energy needed to do that will be blowing at your hair, only ignited. It won't be travelling back up inside the nozzle.

25598
Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 01:03:59 PM »

 I'm a simple kind of guy


well no shit, thing is you are trying to understand rocket science. you always ask if something can be broken down into basic terms. you say it a lot. if anything is more complex than 1+1=2 you call it 'shoe horned'.
No , no , no, I do not. I call things that are made to fit, shoe horned, as in , why don;t we fall off the earth? The answer is, we have a mystical atmosphere and gravity that sticks us to it and centrifugal force coupled with centripetal force keeps us all snug and the math can be done to show why it works, yet nobody has a frigging clue as to what it means.
E=MC2...? why?
Of course, we know it's energy equals mass times the speed of light blah blah blah but what the hell is it? Well, we can go and do the equations to prove this..go on try it.

I think you get my meaning about "shoehorned" now.  :)

You do realize the equation e=mc2 was probably used to maintain the nuclear reactor which provided you with the electricity to write that very post.... right?  :-\
I sincerely doubt that very much. E=MC2 is a complete load of old cobblers as far as I'm concerned. It's just a stupendously baffling equation made to make people believe in magic. It's so complex that top scientists cannot even work the equation out because it's so brain busting.

Of course, the simpler thing is just to say, " oh, nuclear power?...oh golly gosh man, it's simple...that's what's used to get your Nuclear power and bombs and such,..everyone knows that."

Of course we do.  ;D

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 01:00:37 PM »

It's a bit vague.

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I'm a simple kind of guy who likes to view things simple.
Too many arrows and words?

I'm not sure how much simpler it can be.
To you maybe.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 12:59:21 PM »
If an atmosphere is needed for rockets to work then why is there a slight increase in thrust and efficiency the higher up the rocket is? Obviously there is less air up there so by your logic it should work the opposite.

Could you please answer the question now?

Seriously Sceptimatic why do rockets work like this in real life?

That is, if you still believe your theory on why rockets work.
I still stand fast on them needing an atmosphere to work in yes.
I 100% stand by my stance on them not working in the vacuum of space as we are told space is.Which I don't believe it is what we are told to be honest.

I happen to think getting out of our atmosphere would be impossible and a shit load scarier than just breaking through an atmosphere into a vacuum.

25601
Flat Earth General / Re: live iss!
« on: February 19, 2013, 12:32:05 PM »
Weve gone from hugge launches to the space station with the shuttle and what not, on a supposed massive launch pad at Houston /kennedy etc with fixed cameras and all the trimming, this this piece of crap launch that stinks to high heaven of a model rocket and , "look", it's so hi tech, it's recorded on some bozo's bloody phone or small video cam, hundreds of metres away.
Does anybody feel that their intelligence is insulted with this crap?

Why in the hell does day turn into night?

#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank">Chris Hadfield Launches to Space

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 12:23:45 PM »
Actually yes, he did say that, but I'm sure it will take a long time to search through his last 500 or so posts.
Also, I'm still waiting for an answer Sceptimatic.
An answer to what?

25603
Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 12:08:01 PM »
You stated on here that you won't check to see the ISS because you don't think you need to.
I don't have the equipment for one and also, I am not going to follow the co-ordinates of a website to track the ISS as that sets alarm bells ringing for starters.

I'd love somebody to track an orbit of this supposed ISS though. Someone who is savvy to all of this and can track it based on how they work out it's orbit, without the aid of a website that could be tied into N.A.S.A or whoever.

That person would have to be someone who doesn't simply accept as gospel what they are told though and not someone who unconditionally believes there is an ISS 230 odd miles up in space.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 11:51:30 AM »
So you won't look at the ISS? And the reason is?
What do you mean, "I won't look at the ISS?"

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 11:41:51 AM »
fair enough.

you do need to accept that a lot of things cant be broken down into such simple terms too. a lot of the things you post about (if you are genuine) are complex things that require specialist knowledge in that field. you then claim to have more feasible alternatives to what the mainstream tells you.

look at your discussion on the ISS for example. you have these ideas about it, yet you wont even observe it for yourself. this is why you are called names round here and probably on other forums you chat on. your ideas wouldnt be so stupid if you actually had some leg work behind them to prove your point.
Try not to view me through a scientific eye then.
My name is sceptimatic for a reason. It's because I've spent a long time in my life being fed bull shit and now I tighten my lips when the spoon fed garbage goes to my mouth, until I'm sure that what I'm about to swallow, smells nice, looks nice and won;t leave a bitter after taste once I've opened up to it.

If I knocked on your door to tell you that the rep from the window firm, who you have just paid 10 grand to, has ripped you off and you can get it for cheaper, I don;t need to stand there and do you a full on calculation for you, based on the amount of windows you have do I?
You will take heed of what I say and get better quotes or you will be naive and tell me to piss off and go with the nice man in the suit who you believe has told you what you wanted to hear.

The man in the suit or the white badged overall stood in front of you at the university, may arrogantly believe he knows what he knows, yet he could also be teaching flawed science, yet he gets paid to teach what they tell him to teach and to go against it means he not only loses his job, he loses and potential to take on another job in that science, as he will be known as a black sheep.


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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 11:28:25 AM »

 I'm a simple kind of guy


well no shit, thing is you are trying to understand rocket science. you always ask if something can be broken down into basic terms. you say it a lot. if anything is more complex than 1+1=2 you call it 'shoe horned'.
No , no , no, I do not. I call things that are made to fit, shoe horned, as in , why don;t we fall off the earth? The answer is, we have a mystical atmosphere and gravity that sticks us to it and centrifugal force coupled with centripetal force keeps us all snug and the math can be done to show why it works, yet nobody has a frigging clue as to what it means.
E=MC2...? why?
Of course, we know it's energy equals mass times the speed of light blah blah blah but what the hell is it? Well, we can go and do the equations to prove this..go on try it.

I think you get my meaning about "shoehorned" now.  :)

25607
Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 11:24:05 AM »
It's a bit vague.

Do you not understand it?

Or do you not believe it?

Two different things.
Scientists explain s a lot of thing in a difficult way that can be easily explained using a much more simplistic way.
It is done the hard way because scientists do not like to follow any simplistic route to get to an answer as it makes their theories and themselves look ordinary and they cannot be having that as they want to be a master of their field.


25608
Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 11:21:05 AM »
It's a bit vague.

Any more detail and your brain would explode.  >:(
I'm a simple kind of guy who likes to view things simple.

If 1+1 =2, I want to know that it's 1 add 1 equals 2, I do not want to know that 4 quarters, plus two halves, take away 9 plus 7 sixteenths add 4 plus 4 eighths equals two, if you get my meaning.

25609
Flat Earth General / Re: live iss!
« on: February 19, 2013, 10:12:07 AM »

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 09:57:08 AM »
It's a bit vague.

25611
Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 09:29:43 AM »
So how does that jet engine propel the jet forward?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 09:10:07 AM »
Scepti would you agree that a rocket can travel at super sonic speeds?
To be honest, I'm not sure. Seriously. Probably though.

wouldn't the cold/hot air combination pushing the rocket therefore have to also be traveling at super sonic speeds?
Think of a jet.
Ok I'm thinking of an aircraft powered by a jet engine as opposed to this jet, is that correct?

Yes.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 09:04:43 AM »


Unbelievable. You have to be trolling now.  ;D
;D I'm not trolling, it's just that I've been through all this before and I just thought your picture was funny.

25614
The Lounge / Re: To people who PM me
« on: February 19, 2013, 09:00:20 AM »
If I tone down the underpants pics of me and maybe not pull them to one side, is it still ok to pm?  ;D

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 08:56:36 AM »
Scepti would you agree that a rocket can travel at super sonic speeds?
To be honest, I'm not sure. Seriously. Probably though.

wouldn't the cold/hot air combination pushing the rocket therefore have to also be traveling at super sonic speeds?
Think of a jet.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: 1940s V2 Rocket Photos
« on: February 19, 2013, 08:16:44 AM »
Has nobody thought that this picture is clearly a fake?

The fact that it looks fake is neither here nor there, yet the angle should tell anyone that it's fake, even going by the rotating earth standards.

The picture that's been took , should not have the earth looking tilted. It should be an horizon all across the picture.




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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 08:00:08 AM »
Scepti would you agree that a rocket can travel at super sonic speeds?
To be honest, I'm not sure. Seriously. Probably though.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 07:59:10 AM »
So you don't believe conservation of momentum is true?
Yes I do believe it's true, it's just that Newtons law is getting used to portray this when it's not what it appears.

Well if you cannot understand the point I made in my example, something you can test out yourself with no resources then maybe you should try giving it a go experimentally.

If you would like, I can explain with numbers and simple formula to explain how conservation of momentum allows a rocket to lift off and fly. I'll only do this if you actually care about understanding and learning more and aren't just trying to troll everyone. I see no point in wasting my time trying to help you understand something if you don't care.

Your call.
Of course I'm interested, just do it simply. I can't stand things that are not simplified and are made to be purposely vague.
I will mull over what you are going to do and if it makes sense to me I'll say so.
Don;t just expect me to go along with it though, yet I won't discount it just for the sake of being a twat ok. I promise you that.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 07:12:58 AM »
Care to expin what it appears to you then?
I've just explained what it appears to me.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon Hoax, Not
« on: February 19, 2013, 07:09:14 AM »
So you don't believe conservation of momentum is true?
Yes I do believe it's true, it's just that Newtons law is getting used to portray this when it's not what it appears.

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