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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lighthouse dipping lights
« on: Today at 03:51:02 AM »

I will stop posting to you when you either address the issues or stop spouting the same refuted BS.
I will start answering you when you stop with your tantrums and frenzy and massive copy and paste mission.

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Atmospheric pressure in broken down molecules or to be more specific, hydrogen and such separation from molecules that get stored /pushed into the super structured pores of the metals.
From that point on it's a consistent capacitor like discharge away from the push. Like diode. A non return internal valve, if you like, or mass of them.
Basically back to the sink plug hole analogy.

It creates a sort of siphon due to the mass coverage of atmosphere above.
And how do these "siphons" cause a repulsion?

Same reason as going against the flow.
Try and run at a high pressure hose.
Try circling in water then turn the other way.
To siphon is to take a higher pressure and push it into lower pressure resistance which creates an equal and opposite push/compression.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 03:44:14 AM »
https://images.app.goo.gl/nmZmZjb3eyq2dmUbA

https://images.app.goo.gl/2dYHgUHaYr3Po2rz7



Heres how we do it.
Do yours.
If you can see something, then explain the light that is causing what we are seeing.
Not hard.
The horizon is specific to you. It is your horizon.
Why?
Because it's the convergence (theoretical) line to your vision. Your horizontally level vision.

Darker verses lighter shades of light spectrum.


The distance to your theoretical line is determined by the elevation.
You are not looking down to an edge you are looking directly level to the very same shades of light from top to below converging to the horizontally level eye line.


Putting up globes as if you see an edge to a curve, is nonsense.

Fine by you.
Dismiss the diagram without merrit as the diagram is stand alone.

However - provide YOUR MODEL is the current request.
Don't waste your time asking again. I've already explained why. Next time you ask it will be overlooked.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 03:41:59 AM »

Repeating the same lie and ignoring the refutation of it wont help you. It just shows how desperate you are.


It's certainly not going to help you by your repetition.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 02:29:15 AM »
https://images.app.goo.gl/nmZmZjb3eyq2dmUbA

https://images.app.goo.gl/2dYHgUHaYr3Po2rz7



Heres how we do it.
Do yours.
If you can see something, then explain the light that is causing what we are seeing.
Not hard.
The horizon is specific to you. It is your horizon.
Why?
Because it's the convergence (theoretical) line to your vision. Your horizontally level vision.

Darker verses lighter shades of light spectrum.


The distance to your theoretical line is determined by the elevation.
You are not looking down to an edge you are looking directly level to the very same shades of light from top to below converging to the horizontally level eye line.


Putting up globes as if you see an edge to a curve, is nonsense.



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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 02:03:32 AM »

Are you a real person?

That's for you to decide.
My advice to you is to treat me as a bot and stay clear. Ignore me and get on with other stuff. Can you do that?

Nice dodging
Dodged the part where 3d simulations were provided and insyead going with more irrelevant non answers.
Draw your horizon.
I can't draw any horizon.
The horizon is theoretical and is only visible to each individuals eye level.

Fine
Draw the dark and draw the not so dark regions.
Draw what we are seeing and how it hits peoples eyes.
Draw your model.
I can't. What am I drawing?

The horizon is right in front of your eyes. Go and take a look. You ask for some silly things.

Draw a side view of what we are seeing.
What is it?
How many times do I need to tell you that I can't.

It's like you asking me to draw a ghost.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lighthouse dipping lights
« on: Today at 02:01:55 AM »
You need to stop dodging and answer me.
When you stop twisting stuff and ask specifics instead of just throwing out copy and paste, time after time after time
I have asked specifics and you just keep ignoring them because you can't answer.

If that's your stance then cease posting anything to me. I'm happy to overlook you because this just becomes tedious.

Either put some effort in and deal with one thing and accept that I do answer, or go and find something else to occupy your time.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 01:58:52 AM »
I already did explain it and the gif you posted shows exactly how it was done, which should be pretty clear to anyone who cares to question the global dupe.
You mean you repeatedly avoided it and the gif shows exactly why you are wrong.

The gif shows exactly why I'm right.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lighthouse dipping lights
« on: Today at 01:57:25 AM »
Still waiting for Scepti to be a good little boy and do the task.  I even gave in a little but you just refuse.  I understand what you are failing at attempting to do scepti, Dr Feynman described the neverending nature of the why/how line of questioning.
Now, respond in an adequate manner to the questions Jack has posed about your assertions or no more crayons for you.
Playing the tag team and attempted ridicule card will do you no favours and only strengthens my hand.
Feel free to do whatever you think you can achieve by holding each others internet hands like playground bullies but you gain nothing.


Did you decide to come in because you didn't think the posse was big enough?

If you want to engage then let's see what you have. In crayons if you have them.

Or just spend your time trying to play the ridicule card and giving yourself a round of applause.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lighthouse dipping lights
« on: Today at 01:52:31 AM »


You need to stop dodging and answer me.

When you stop twisting stuff and ask specifics instead of just throwing out copy and paste, time after time after time, I'll consider re-engaging with you.
You spend too much time wanting a fight. Wanting to argue. Trying to intimidate and insult then claim to be the victim of it.


Clear out your mind and get with it.
If you carry on posting the stuff I've just edited, go ahead but you will receive little in response.

Your choice Mr nasty twister.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lighthouse dipping lights
« on: Today at 01:48:43 AM »
You see, the way it works is that you can't just say they are lying. You need to provide evidence they are lying. How do you reconcile that?

And you need to provide evidence that they are physically using a global mindset to engineer against.
You could also ask me if I think sub commanders are lying. You could also ask me if airline pilots are lying. You could also ask me if ship's captains are lying.

I can equally ask you how you know they're not or whether they're just following what they think is a plan of action.

You can sit there and stamp your feet and tell me you know for a fact. The truth is, you don't. Your reliance is on stories told. It's as simple as that.

Actually, it's not reliance on stories. There's no feet stomping, just evidence. It's reliance on the plans created from the The London Survey Grid that were used to construct the Crossrail expansion. You know what plans are, right? They are exceedingly necessary for every aspect of the construction. Here are some plans used in the Crossrail project:





Notice the inset on the plans:



2. Coordinates to the London Survey Grid, heights to the London height datum which is 100 metres below Ordnance
    Datum Newlyn. See Crossrail standard CR-STD-010, version 2
3. All dimensions are in millimetres unless specified otherwise.


You see the actual plans, and there are hundreds, refer to the London Survey Grid. And the London Survey Grid, as seen in other documentation, is based upon the WGS-84 Spheroid Transverse Mercator Projection, aka, globe earth.

The craziest bit is #3. Millimeters? That's some insane tolerances they were working with.

So what you're saying is that all of the plans are fake?

Quote from: Stash

So at the end of the day your argument is that the London Survey Grid and everything that came forth from it resulting in the completed Crossrail expansion project is a lie because it doesn't fit your belief system.
If a global mindset is said to be used, then yes, I do believe it's a lie.

Well, it was created with a global mindset. So according to you, your argument is that it is all simply a lie. Even though the Crossrail project was engineered, planned, and constructed using a global mindset and it functions as advertised, and you can actually witness its functionality yourself by safely riding it, they somehow got it right, even though all of the engineering and planning used by all of the construction folks was a lie?

You realize that is a straight-up denial of observable reality, an observable reality that you can actually observe yourself, no rockets required. Does that really make sense to you, your denial of a reality you too can experience?

Quote from: Stash

 That sounds an awful lot like a religion more than anything else. Certainly not science. So that's what you have to offer up? Just your undying faith in your FE religion?
No. It sounds an awful lot like clear logic when I know water is level and flat when it's calm. It does not curve downwards on large bodies of it.
The religion is all down to you because the globe is like a massive religion.

Actually yours is a religion because you are denying cold hard evidence and observable reality based solely on the faith you have in your belief system. You have no facts, evidence, or otherwise. Just your faith. That's referred to as a religion.

 
Quote from: Stash

I rely on evidence, you apparently rely solely on faith.
No you don't. You rely on whatever you get told, as long as it comes from what you believe to be, authority.

Nope, see the plans, the documentation. You know, the things necessary to build a 21 billion dollar subway expansion under a major metropolitan city.

You rely solely on what you tell yourself without evidence, i.e., faith-based.
If you want to believe they take into account a curvature of a globe, then go right ahead.
I am under no illusions about your mindset and your mindset is firmly on a spinning globe. That's down to you to go on in life with and maybe expire with that thought.
Not a cat in hells chance will you ever get me conforming to your global model by using stuff like this.
You might as well tell me molten dinosaurs prove you have a super hot iron core in the centre of your Earth.

Why would anyone take into account of a curved Earth of the size you mention?
They would just dig under it in a straight line or whatever. No need to take in anything of a curve, unless they decided to curve downwards.

Your mind would be better suited to questioning this stuff.

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My stance is primarily against the severe indoctrination I got and grew up with

If you check the meaning of the word indoctrination you will find that it is defined as follows:

"the process of teaching a person or group to accept a set of beliefs uncritically."

My experience of science and of learning about science has never been to accept any beliefs uncritically.

You followed a curriculum. You were marked on how well you followed that curriculum.
Do not try and tell me that you could think for yourself against it, because you could not.

You could come out with all kinds of views, obviously but you were shot down for them if they didn't follow the pattern set out.
If you want to argue that then go ahead but you know I'm right.
Your problem is, you don't want to believe it...and fair enough.

Any normal person will back me up.

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Ok, that makes sense. But the "loop" is created by cables and such that direct the charge output and input to very specific places in the loop. With magnets, what is telling the charge to be directed out one end, so to speak, and swoop back around charge into the other end? How does the atmospheric charge know to go in one end, out the other and back around again? Are the ends somehow different from one another?
Yes. The ends are like a funnelled sieve.



Quote from: Stash

I've seen experiments with magnets in a vacuum chamber and they worked the same as outside the chamber. Why is that? They should not work as well inside.
They don't.

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Right, but with the sink analogy, the water (atmosphere) is running out of the sink causing the vortex. Are you saying that the end or side of a magnet where the arrows are running out of it is basically where the analogous "plug" is?
I don't think you're quite getting it.
Let's change it up.
Let's look at a car battery.
The battery holds a charge...right?
It will keep hold of a charge as long as it's being fed. Basically in a car the battery discharges  and feeds the car parts, including the alternator/dynamo or whatever you want to call it..and back to the battery again. A loop.

A drain. But what comes out must be replaced, equally. A cycle.

The magnet is the same type of loop.


You could also make a loop with a sink, if you connected the outlet back to the top and used a pump to push the water back up.

This would be like the battery, where electricity flows in one direction and then is pumped back up by the gas powered generator in the car.

Both of these loops have something moving (water in the former, electricity in the latter), and have an external form of energy to sustain the loop (a pump in the former and a gas powered generator in the latter).

What is happening similarly in the magnet.  What is flowing and what is the external source of energy sustaining the loop?

Or is it actually not like these systems at all?
Same thing but flow is only evident when it's activated.

So when activated, what is flowing?

And what is the external source of energy sustaining the flow?
Atmospheric pressure in broken down molecules or to be more specific, hydrogen and such separation from molecules that get stored /pushed into the super structured pores of the metals.
From that point on it's a consistent capacitor like discharge away from the push. Like diode. A non return internal valve, if you like, or mass of them.
Basically back to the sink plug hole analogy.

It creates a sort of siphon due to the mass coverage of atmosphere above.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 01:12:50 AM »
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All I see from my side is you lot  generally just copy and pasting stuff

Until you have physically watched me sitting at a keyboard copying and pasting stuff as you put it then please do not accuse me of it.  I will assume that I would be included in the 'you lot' description. As it is I don't need to copy and paste anything since I can use my own knowledge to say what I want to say. If I copy and paste anything I will also credit the author as is proper practice.  If I don't add a credit then you can take the words I post as my own.
If you aren't part of it then I'm not directing at you.
If you want to believe I am, then feel free.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 01:11:27 AM »

We don't dismiss what you say.
Who are you trying to kid?

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 01:10:34 AM »

Are you a real person?

That's for you to decide.
My advice to you is to treat me as a bot and stay clear. Ignore me and get on with other stuff. Can you do that?

Nice dodging
Dodged the part where 3d simulations were provided and insyead going with more irrelevant non answers.
Draw your horizon.
I can't draw any horizon.
The horizon is theoretical and is only visible to each individuals eye level.

Fine
Draw the dark and draw the not so dark regions.
Draw what we are seeing and how it hits peoples eyes.
Draw your model.
I can't. What am I drawing?

The horizon is right in front of your eyes. Go and take a look. You ask for some silly things.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 01:09:07 AM »


I'm not dismissing anything you say with handwaving. Ironically, that's exactly what you've been doing for pages regarding the experiments showing that the horizon does not rise to eye-level at altitude. You have yet to say what the con job is.

Why won't you just simply explain why you think it's a con job. And not because it assaults your belief system, actually what is wrong with it. You just keep going back to a diatribe about how people aren't paying attention, they're being dicks, or whatever.

What is wrong physically with the experiment? Why do you think it shows what you don't want it to show?
I already did explain it and the gif you posted shows exactly how it was done, which should be pretty clear to anyone who cares to question the global dupe.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lighthouse dipping lights
« on: March 03, 2021, 08:17:15 AM »

Still waiting for you to accomplish your task. 
Here is a sample then...  Spacetime is the structure of the universe.
Explain what you mean. In crayon terms, as you go with.

Quote from: Mikey T
  Curvature is a warping away from a direct vector, stretching  or compressing away from a equilibrium state.
Explain what you mean. In crayon terms, as you go with.


Quote from: Mikey T
Mass affects spacetime, spacetime is where matter exists,, matter has mass.
Explain what you mean. In crayon terms, as you go with.


Quote from: Mikey T
  More matter more mass, more mass concentrated in spacetime, more affect or curvature of spacetime.
Explain what you mean. In crayon terms, as you go with.


Quote from: Mikey T
  Now go do your chores.
Explain what you mean. In crayon terms, as you go with.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: March 03, 2021, 08:13:15 AM »

Are you a real person?

That's for you to decide.
My advice to you is to treat me as a bot and stay clear. Ignore me and get on with other stuff. Can you do that?

Nice dodging
Dodged the part where 3d simulations were provided and insyead going with more irrelevant non answers.
Draw your horizon.
I can't draw any horizon.
The horizon is theoretical and is only visible to each individuals eye level.

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Flat Earth General / Re: ANOTHER EXPERIMENT: Gravity Doesn't Exist
« on: March 03, 2021, 08:08:07 AM »
Right, but with the sink analogy, the water (atmosphere) is running out of the sink causing the vortex. Are you saying that the end or side of a magnet where the arrows are running out of it is basically where the analogous "plug" is?
I don't think you're quite getting it.
Let's change it up.
Let's look at a car battery.
The battery holds a charge...right?
It will keep hold of a charge as long as it's being fed. Basically in a car the battery discharges  and feeds the car parts, including the alternator/dynamo or whatever you want to call it..and back to the battery again. A loop.

A drain. But what comes out must be replaced, equally. A cycle.

The magnet is the same type of loop.


You could also make a loop with a sink, if you connected the outlet back to the top and used a pump to push the water back up.

This would be like the battery, where electricity flows in one direction and then is pumped back up by the gas powered generator in the car.

Both of these loops have something moving (water in the former, electricity in the latter), and have an external form of energy to sustain the loop (a pump in the former and a gas powered generator in the latter).

What is happening similarly in the magnet.  What is flowing and what is the external source of energy sustaining the loop?

Or is it actually not like these systems at all?
Same thing but flow is only evident when it's activated.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lighthouse dipping lights
« on: March 03, 2021, 03:59:47 AM »
You see, the way it works is that you can't just say they are lying. You need to provide evidence they are lying. How do you reconcile that?
And you need to provide evidence that they are physically using a global mindset to engineer against.
You could also ask me if I think sub commanders are lying. You could also ask me if airline pilots are lying. You could also ask me if ship's captains are lying.

I can equally ask you how you know they're not or whether they're just following what they think is a plan of action.

You can sit there and stamp your feet and tell me you know for a fact. The truth is, you don't. Your reliance is on stories told. It's as simple as that.


Quote from: Stash

So at the end of the day your argument is that the London Survey Grid and everything that came forth from it resulting in the completed Crossrail expansion project is a lie because it doesn't fit your belief system.
If a global mindset is said to be used, then yes, I do believe it's a lie.

Quote from: Stash

 That sounds an awful lot like a religion more than anything else. Certainly not science. So that's what you have to offer up? Just your undying faith in your FE religion?
No. It sounds an awful lot like clear logic when I know water is level and flat when it's calm. It does not curve downwards on large bodies of it.
The religion is all down to you because the globe is like a massive religion.

 
Quote from: Stash

I rely on evidence, you apparently rely solely on faith.
No you don't. You rely on whatever you get told, as long as it comes from what you believe to be, authority.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: March 03, 2021, 03:50:43 AM »

And this just further shows that you do spout nothing.

Ditto.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: March 03, 2021, 03:49:44 AM »


But that's just the thing. There's nothing for me to ruminate on what's been "said" because you haven't "said" anything yet.

Then my genuine advice to you is to concentrate on other things and cast me aside as someone who just spouts nothing.
This way you can concentrate on the stuff you want to.
Can you do that?

Why won't you just simply address the situation rather than just saying it's not real without providing any information as to why other than it doesn't fit your belief system? Isn't that the whole point? I mean, like I said, why don't you just state what you believe and walk away? You obviously don't want to be challenged. Because when you are, you just say you don't believe it, period. No reason why other than you just don't. You refer to yourself as a "Flat Earth Scientist". What part of you just saying, "Uh uh, no, I don't believe it," is the science part?

So, what's the con job - The physical attributes of the actual observable experiment (not your belief system) and the result that make it a con job?
I provide plenty of answers and under a mass attack of a mix up fo questions, insults and hand waving...etc....etc.
The fact that you people just dismiss anything I say and then start crying about me not putting my side across, is your own issues.

All I see from my side is you lot  generally just copy and pasting stuff and claiming facts when you have absolutely no idea whether they are or not.
Just admit stuff and you'll gain a bit of internet respect from me.

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Flat Earth General / Re: ANOTHER EXPERIMENT: Gravity Doesn't Exist
« on: March 03, 2021, 03:42:11 AM »
Right, but with the sink analogy, the water (atmosphere) is running out of the sink causing the vortex. Are you saying that the end or side of a magnet where the arrows are running out of it is basically where the analogous "plug" is?
I don't think you're quite getting it.
Let's change it up.
Let's look at a car battery.
The battery holds a charge...right?
It will keep hold of a charge as long as it's being fed. Basically in a car the battery discharges  and feeds the car parts, including the alternator/dynamo or whatever you want to call it..and back to the battery again. A loop.

A drain. But what comes out must be replaced, equally. A cycle.

The magnet is the same type of loop.




Quote from: Stash
And you didn't directly address my questions:

- How does the pressure know to circle back around and follow the arrows?
 Regardless of orientation of the magnet? With the sink analogy, the water (atmosphere) goes where the drain pipe directs it. How is the atmosphere "directed" back around and knows where to go "push"?
Pressure equalisation.

Quote from: Stash

- What if I put a magnet in low pressure vacuum, does it de-magnetize?
If the low pressure was sufficient, yes.



Quote from: Stash

 In other words, do magnets work in a vacuum?
No.

Quote from: Stash

 And if they do, how does the vortex theory work if there's little to no atmosphere to swirl around and do the pushing?
The vortex does not work in a vacuum. It works directly by attempted equalisation of pressures.

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Flat Earth General / Re: ANOTHER EXPERIMENT: Gravity Doesn't Exist
« on: March 03, 2021, 03:30:47 AM »
I accept it's difficult for people to grasp my set up and thoughts.
I find it fairly easy, and just realise it is wrong.

Not by what I see, you don't.

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Flat Earth General / Re: ANOTHER EXPERIMENT: Gravity Doesn't Exist
« on: March 03, 2021, 03:28:58 AM »
Quote from: sobchak
  If you are just interested in sharing your alternative thoughts and reading others, why the endless back and forth over your opinions?  What do you gain?
Nobody is asked to share my opinions. Nobody is asked to even look at them. Most people avoid them.
Some people decide they want to be clever and have a few digs.
All of it is  fine in a discussion forum for whatever reasons people feel.

The bigger question is, why would people spend all their time wanting to have a dig and push a global model with a nutcase like me for years on end?




Quote from: sobchak
  If you are really interested in developing your ideas, why dont you take the afternoon off posting, go buy a small vacuum pump and chamber, and try to show how magnetism and downward forces have some proportionality to air pressure?   It seems to me (unless I am mistaken) that these are some central predictions of your concepts, why not show them demonstratively in reality rather than bicker endlessly about them?  Wouldn't this be a better way of exploring the concepts you have thought up?
I'm fine with how I'm going. If you are genuine and want to try and understand the simplicity of it from my side, you're welcome to ask me anything you like.
I'll try and explain but remember that my explanations come in the form of a lot of analogies which must be taken for that and not twisted to mean exactly what is said.
It's about getting your head around it from my side. Probe it in bits till you gain my mindset. It may take a wjhile but it can be done without distractions which most who argue with me, are full of.


Quote from: sobchak
Back to the topic at hand - if you think it is hopeless explaining your concept of magnetism to me for whatever reason, I will give up trying to get you to explain it simply and clearly.  In this case, please know though that I did try to understand it, I just couldn't get there from the words you were giving me.
It depends on how you wish to see it. As it stands you think air pressure like a wind just wafts through a magnet. Think about the analogies and probe from that.
Just remember there's many a split of matter and gases to form different set ups.

If I thought magnets were just simple walk about air pushing into them then I'd be stumped as to how.
It's about the make up of the magnet and the make up of what is taken from the atmosphere. Atmosphere is not just simple air pressure in one form.




 
Quote from: sobchak
Still, I would hope though that you would want to share your concepts, and if so,  to try think about them a bit more, and find a way to express them in simple terms that clearly express the idea in your mind.
I do think about them. I honestly think people need to as well by pushing aside the global concept and trying to see the alternatives.

 
Quote from: sobchak
My little magnet on the desk waits hopefully.
Keep it there and look at it just sitting. Now wonder why it does what it does from that stance.

There a few things to think about.

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Flat Earth General / Re: ANOTHER EXPERIMENT: Gravity Doesn't Exist
« on: March 03, 2021, 03:28:09 AM »


Sure, you can blame me for not understanding your concepts.  I certainly could be the one failing here, and your ideas are simple, and I am failing to understand because I just cant think in the proper way.
I don't blame you. I accept it's difficult for people to grasp my set up and thoughts. After all it is me coming out with stuff that is basically off the chart with how you have been taught/brought up with.

Bear in mind that I'm hit from all angles by many people and I'm just me.
Too many people skew everything into their favour, which is fine but takes some dealing with en masse.

It's the reason why I counteract the questions and throw them back. You people argue against what I say by using your own mindset on what you were taught. I ask for proof.
Proof cannot be given in many aspects because even those at the top don't seem to know many things.


It comes down to understanding the thought process and why.
You can't understand mine but I seriously cannot understand the stuff you follow. Not because I refuse to understand, it's because a lot of it makes no sense. It really makes no sense.
It does not marry up with reality unless magical mysteries are added in.


I've argued this so it's pointless going down that path.


 
Quote from: sobchak
I personally don't think so, Im happy to entertain any notions at all here, and I'm just trying to understand your model.  Right now I dont understand, so here I am, asking again and again for simple descriptions.
And what I would like to do is be able to understand it well enough to explain it to someone else to your satisfaction.  That I think is the ultimate test of communication and what I am striving for here. 

If I can do that I will be pleased. I might not agree with it, I might think it is a silly concept, but at least I want to understand the concept itself before making any judgements about it.
If you want to understand my model you must first push the served up on a platter model that you've adhered to for best part of your life, otherwise you will simply reference and discard and set yourself back to square one like kabool does and Jacky.


Quote from: sobchak
Isn't this why you are here, to communicate and talk with people regarding your thoughts and ideas?  If you cant communicate your idea to a willing recipient though, what can you hope to accomplish besides just petty sniping and bickering?
I'm here to give out my thoughts.
I'm here for the layperson.
I'm also here to read alternate thoughts.
I'm not here to see people copy and paste global nonsense but I fully understand why so many people gang up to shut down alternate thoughts.
I class these people as cagey and dishonest in many aspects.
The very second en masse attempted intimidation ensues from my posts, then I know I'm dealing with people who have no other issues, other than to waste their time back patting each other like a tag team.


It makes me more determined and stronger in that respect but it also muddies the water for any legitimate people who want to look at alternates.


I know how I appear. I know how my stuff is made to look and how many people will refuse to see it from y side.
I also know that my explanations to many people will not come through as there piece of a jigsaw.


The thing is I sometimes think I'm dealing with a lot of people who are on some kind of spectrum. Basically a mind focused on one specific and that's that.
Those who focus on the gobbledygook complicated and cannot decipher simple basics.


Maybe I'm wrong but that's what I think...just as many may think I'm a stark raving lunatic who wears a tin foil hat and stained vest and Y front underpants in the basement of some house.


I've went right off on a tangent there but I like to let off some steam (bennet)  now and again.  :P

lol.

Of course you can let off some steam now and again (but hopefully not in that way!).  I fully understand you are responding to many people at the same time in multiple threads, and trying to balance a number or ideas in the responses.  I would find that completely exhausting, but you seem to enjoy it, so keep going as long as it gives you happiness in your life.

In this tangent though, I would ask why you respond to everyone?  You have just said you dont understand the concepts the way other people do, and clearly other people do not understand your ideas, so isn't it just bickering over things the each side doesnt understand?  You are telling people that the concepts that you do not understand are nonsense, and vice versa?
My stance is primarily against the severe indoctrination I got and grew up with, pertaining to a globe and all things said to be part of it...including so called space.

Yes, I once believed it all and yes, I would look at anyone in a funny way if they mentioned flat or whatever.
However, I had the time to question it all in the last 15 years or so and I quite quickly came to the realisation that it is absolute utter nonsense in the absolute extreme. I kid you not.

Based on that I tried (and still do) to come to alternatives to it. Potentials. Musings.
I believe I am much closer to reality by a mile than the global stuff put out.

I've gave simple reasons and they are rejected by people who decide it's better to try and ridicule me rather than take their time to understand alternate theories/musings.
This is why I play that game with them.

I'm handing nothing on a plate. People need to work for it. Basically show they can power down to the basics and try and see it from my side....if, they want to understand my thoughts.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lighthouse dipping lights
« on: March 03, 2021, 12:26:22 AM »
The drop is 8 inches per mile squared. Don't pretend it's nothing.
I didn't say it is actually nothing, just practically nothing.
I showed quite clearly how small and insignificant that drop is for a direct measurement.

You showed a complete and utter con job by changing the reality of vision.
You certainly don't stand on Earth like you are portraying it.




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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: March 02, 2021, 11:58:00 PM »

Are you a real person?

That's for you to decide.
My advice to you is to treat me as a bot and stay clear. Ignore me and get on with other stuff. Can you do that?

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