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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 05:44:28 AM »

No. Eight inches per mile squared is all any flat earther thinks they need to know to throw at people. However, that's just a rule of thumb that does not account for observer height and atmospheric refraction. How many less flat earthers would there be in the world if they all read the fine print?
You don't need fine print. It's pretty self explanatory.



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Sceptimatic, I dont know why you are trying so hard to create an alternate reality around yourself. Maybe you don't even remember why yourself, you've been at it for so long now. The only reason we are all having this forum discussion, is because science works. Think about that and try to absorb what that means for the world around you in which you live.
The reason we're having this discussion is because people like you think you can alter people's minds to go back to the absolutely unscientific nonsense of a global model.

The reason why you people stay must be en masse ego boosting,  pertaining to the mainstream authoritative narrative.


Basically you come armed with all the references you need. You don't even need to think....and yet.....and yet....here you are spending your time on a flat Earth forum making lots and lots of posts....for what?


If you were honest and said " oh I'm here to learn about alternate theories because I question the globe" I'd say, fair enough. If you said you were here to play devils advocate, I say, fair enough.


I have nothing against any of you, to be fair.............................but.


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lighthouse dipping lights
« on: Today at 05:32:17 AM »


I can't MAKE you understand.  That's up to you.  You have shown time and time again you are either incapable or unwilling to try and learn even the simplest concepts.

You live in a world of ignorance only you can fix.  Nobody else can do it for you.
Then calm down and stop trying to engage me if you think it's futile. Or carry on in this vein.

You need to stop whining like a bairn.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lighthouse dipping lights
« on: Today at 05:30:55 AM »
you also don't know why you can see a lighthouse from distance by thinking you're on an oblate spheroid.
We know why, Earth obstructs the view. But that is only after a significant distance and depends on height.
You want to pretend Earth being round means you can't see it at all, yet you cannot justify that at all.
Sooo, are you saying it has nothing to do with atmospheric mass build over distance?
Not unless you are very high up.
But again, that depends on distance.
You are claiming the curvature of Earth alone magically makes it invisible, regardless of how far away you are.

So can you explain why Earth being round should make it invsible regardless of how far away it is and how high you are, rather than it merely obstructing the view making the visibility dependent upon height and distance?
8 inches per mile squared.
Which would then appeal to both height and distance.
Again, you claim that is not the case, and simply by Earth being round you wouldn't be able to see the light house at ANY distance.

No I didn't.
You won't get far coming up with that gunk.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lighthouse dipping lights
« on: Today at 05:26:37 AM »


Yes, it conclusively proves tunnels were dug using globe earth calculations and measurements to avoid obstacles. And they successfully avoided the obstacles by doing so. That's it.
No it doesn't.
It proves tunnels were dug. End of story.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 05:25:10 AM »
Right.
Youre looking at the top and a relalllllly big ball.
So whats your problem?
You keep saying it curves away from you - right it cuurves away so you cant see the backsidethats what happens.
So whats your poeblem?
You are not stood there looking back at a basket ball. You are supposed to be on that ball.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 05:23:53 AM »


No, you said you are sure because it makes no sense to you.  That's ignorance, not logic.
It makes no sense because evidence.....real evidence shows it to be nonsense, not just the thought process of the nonsense of it.

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It can be empty if evrey person inside is randomly walking about a d rheres a doorman grabbing them as they come by and throws them out.
Given long enough, doorman will eventually grab all the people.
Nobody can randomly walk about. They have to be attached with no free space.

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Is there a reason you donít want to try to clarify your model so others can understand it?

Why the reluctance?

 
I'm not sure I can so people will understand it.
People don't seem to know how magnets work or are made to be magnets in terms of what this attraction and repelling is.

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The vacuum pump functions by removing the molecules of air and other gases from the vacuum chamber. This results in a low-pressure environment within the chamber, commonly referred to as a vacuum.
Explain too me using any analogy that will fit for you how this pump works in removing molecules from the chamber, as you say.

Don't veer away from this, let's get it answered.
I know how it works from my side, I just want you to show that you know it from your side and why.

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Now I am asking you - the all wise, all knowing Sceptimatic exactly what that means because I can't learn anything from what you have said up to now.
Is this charade for your internet buddies?
Are you after a pat on the back?

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The room isn't empty so the people left inside are trapped inside and are expanded so less fill the room.
Outside the more compressed people are locked out.
Appealing to people in the room wont save you.
The people inside don't want to leave. They are not trapped.

The people inside can't leave.

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It is those outside that are trying to get in, which are prevented from doing so.
Only by the  door.


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When you open the door, you don't let the people inside get out, you let the people outside get in.
Yep. You let the people back in who you let out in the first place. It's called equalisation.


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That is how it works with pressure and you have made it clear that you know that. So don't try pretending now.

Yep, it is how it works.
The problem you have is what you said at first. The room being empty and you know the room cannot be empty of people in this scenario of pressure analogy.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 05:05:31 AM »
The Earth that you believe in will always curve downwards and away from your vision.
No, it wont.
For example, if you look down, you can clearly see it.

If you look down, of course you can see it.
Do we all go about looking down or do we generally look horizontally level?

And, if your Earth does not curve down and way from you then what the hell does it do?
Make up your mind.

Ok 8in per sq mile.
If you stood on a hill and that hill steeply dropped and curved away from you do yoy see an "edge" of the hill against the backdrop of the background?
Do you see the backside of a basket ball when looking at it?
Or do you see a circle's edge?
Do you have to look down to see down or can you see a FIELD OF VIEW?

All super simple questions you have yet to address.

https://images.app.goo.gl/J9CCVSomKeouhFpE8
We aren't looking at the back of any basket ball.
Come back when you have something legitimate.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 05:00:57 AM »
There's no religion but my devotion is in getting the truth or at least ensuring people can think for themselves and go looking for it. Because one thing's for sure. The oblate spheroid spinning in a vacuum around a big fiery ball of fire is sickeningly yet bemusingly nonsensical.

Hilarious. 

You literally just described your religious belief that leads you to simply disregard all of science.
It's not religion. It's called logical sense.


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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 03:08:30 AM »
The Earth that you believe in will always curve downwards and away from your vision.
No, it wont.
For example, if you look down, you can clearly see it.
If you look down, of course you can see it.
And that is one of the key points.
You look down YOU SEE GROUND/SEA.
You look up, you see sky.
So what visually separates them other than the horizon?

Stop appealing to your stupid 0 degree level sight which no one has.
Instead just address the simple fact that the RE SHOULD have a horizon.
Either explain why it shouldn't, or admit it has one.
What you're missing is the major key and that major key is a standing start of a level outlook, not a raised vision into the sky with a stop off line.






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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 03:01:19 AM »
Your self-indoctrinated faith based religion of one is, well, at least consistent.

You've been provided an endless stream of demonstrations and evidence to the contrary and your only argument is that it's all a lie based solely on your belief system.
You refuse to provide and demonstrations, experiments, or evidence of your own to counter. You don't even understand what the thing is you are against. It's just you stomping your feet saying, "It's all a lie!"
No, that's not right. I give out plenty but you people don't accept it and then go into a frenzy about me not providing anything.
You throw a load of copy and paste into the ring and say " there you go."
Put some effort in.



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Like I said before, no one even remotely thinks you would ever change your mind. Faith based religions like yours don't work that way. Faith usurps all logic and evidence.
I certainly won't change my mindset on anything you people have put forward.
None of you can put anything forward from your own minds. You can't put anything into simple basic because your whole set up is all about following what's set out and replicating it.
It's a bit sickening to be fair.
I feel like I'm dealing with some people on some kind of spectrum.

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All that's being done here is pointing out that you provide nothing but your devotion to your religion when faced with actual reality based evidence. There's no debating with faith. You've made that abundantly clear.
There's no religion but my devotion is in getting the truth or at least ensuring people can think for themselves and go looking for it. Because one thing's for sure. The oblate spheroid spinning in a vacuum around a big fiery ball of fire is sickeningly yet bemusingly nonsensical.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 02:53:03 AM »
The Earth that you believe in will always curve downwards and away from your vision.
No, it wont.
For example, if you look down, you can clearly see it.

If you look down, of course you can see it.
Do we all go about looking down or do we generally look horizontally level?

And, if your Earth does not curve down and way from you then what the hell does it do?
Make up your mind.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lighthouse dipping lights
« on: Today at 02:30:55 AM »
I'm not saying I would take it to court as proof of a globe earth. I would take it to court to prove that the London Grid Survey took a globe earth projection, WGS-84 spheroid calculations & measurements into account and based all of the plans used to construct the Crossrail expansion project on it. As evidenced by the survey itself as well as all of the plans that were carried out by the myriad construction teams. And the project was successful. So, your honor, they were not lying.

As a byproduct of the evidence showing all of their efforts conforming successfully to a globe earth, one could argue and construe that in doing so, a globe earth is a viable reality.

Basically you obviously, are.


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However, all I'm pointing out is that the evidence shows conclusively that globe calculations and measurements were baked into the plan and executed in accordance with that plan. They were not lying. You can draw your own conclusions as to what that may else speak to in terms of the shape of the earth.
It conclusively proves nothing.
It proves tunnels were dug to avoid obstacles. That's it.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lighthouse dipping lights
« on: Today at 02:27:48 AM »

8 inches per mile squared.
A simple formula that you really don't appear to understand. Because you don't understand you misinterpret what you expect to see.
I don't expect to see it. I can't see it because I do not live on a globe.
8 inches per mile squared seems to be the accepted drop as far as globalists go...or do you want to change it?
Or you can explain the drop over each mile if you think it's wrong.

Enlighten me or you can go into a frenzy and have a pop. It's up to you.

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What is put into them, is the answer.

Wow that is really helpful... any chance you could be a bit more specific than that?  Preferably so I can use you as my primary source of information and knowledge about the world rather than having to 'Google' stuff or look it up in books.  Because that after all is relying on the nonsense I am told according to you. 

I would much prefer a more trustworthy source of reference such as yourself but just giving 'what is put into them' as an answer to a perfectly reasonable question is not really helping me understand anything. As you keep pointing out we don't have a clue about anything so if we cannot rely on books or the Internet to feed our knowledge then I guess we will just have to trust and rely on you...
Carry on with this guff if you feel better but don't play good cop bad cop, silly.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 02:23:17 AM »
Again, why shouldn't the RE have a horizon?

Simple question, simple answer.
Assuming it was magically possible to stand on a globe as you believe it to be, then looking over  that globe with level sight will only offer you a curved angle away from your level vision. It leaves you with sky. That's it.

You may not like this answer but it is an answer, so don;t be coming back saying I haven't answered.

See, this is where you misunderstand size, scale, and perspective here on Earth. Your mind just doesn't seem capable of differentiating between what you see while standing on top of a basketball, compared to what you see while standing on Earth.

I know it must be confusing for you, but this is where the app, google earth, could be very helpful and educational for someone like you. Yes, it's a computer simulation of the earth, where you can test it against the physical world around you.

I use it all the time at work.
I'm not mixed up.
The Earth that you believe in will always curve downwards and away from your vision.
Anything you look at from a level vision will never reach a distant object just a score miles away.

8 inches per mile squared is all you need to know. It does not end up trivial even over the one mile, never mind mile after mile.

What's really strange to me is that you truly don't understand the mechanics of a globe earth, the thing that you rail against. Using the accurate measurement calculations it works like this.

Here is a 50' tall Target Object. The Observer is at 6'. The distance to the Target is 1 mile. The amount hidden by the globe is 0:



Now we push the same Target out to about our normal optical range limit of the Horizon, around 3 miles typically, at the same Observer height. The amount hidden by the globe earth is 0.0000001485':



Now we push the same Target out to 10 miles at the same Observer height. The amount hidden by the globe earth is 32.68':



Looking through a 2" level tube would look something like this:


There is no horizon on your globe so all that stuff you put, is bumph.


8 inches per mile squared is what would happen from a level sight.

It means that your level sight just rises and rises over the downward curvature over distance.
It means that you see sky, not horizon.

Your globe is nonsense.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lighthouse dipping lights
« on: Today at 12:59:53 AM »
you also don't know why you can see a lighthouse from distance by thinking you're on an oblate spheroid.
We know why, Earth obstructs the view. But that is only after a significant distance and depends on height.
You want to pretend Earth being round means you can't see it at all, yet you cannot justify that at all.
Sooo, are you saying it has nothing to do with atmospheric mass build over distance?
Not unless you are very high up.
But again, that depends on distance.
You are claiming the curvature of Earth alone magically makes it invisible, regardless of how far away you are.

So can you explain why Earth being round should make it invsible regardless of how far away it is and how high you are, rather than it merely obstructing the view making the visibility dependent upon height and distance?
8 inches per mile squared.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lighthouse dipping lights
« on: Today at 12:58:46 AM »
There is an entire internet out there with wiki pages, online courses and thousands of people in scientific forums ready to help you understand the basic theory of gravity in simple, easy to understand ways.

If none of that helps, if it's all still too confusing for you... maybe you should stop blaming me for failing to make you understand. 

So you don't have a clue. That's all you had to say.

What is stopping you from doing your own research?  It's not anyone's job here to explain things to you, that's YOUR job to learn it.

I understand it perfectly well.  You don't, that's your problem.

Do your own work for once.
I'll leave it at that with you. You can't explain because you do not know.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lighthouse dipping lights
« on: Today at 12:56:28 AM »
I absolutely could take all of the documentation, construction plans, surveys, etc., to a court of law and it would be accepted as it was signed off on by a billion people involved in the project. Not to mention that the project was constructed and completed using all of the said documentation, construction plans, surveys, etc. It's verifiable and such documentation would completely be entered in as valid evidence. Documentation is the core of many, many court cases. Your notion is absurd and incorrect.
Taking that to a court of law to give out as proof of a globe would get you nowhere.
You're hanging onto this like a tired monkey hanging onto a tree branch over a pool full of crocodiles that haven't eaten in 24.5 days and who just happen to love tired hanging monkeys as their dessert after having just eaten an old dead hippo that fell into the pool and expired.  ;)

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No, that would be you.
You are the one who makes a big deal about it always being high pressure going in.
That means you don't trap low pressure, you keep high pressure out.
It means you release low pressure, you let higher pressure in to equalise it.

If you need a simple analogy to understand it, imagine a room full of people. Now you force all of the people out of the room and close the door.
You haven't trapped emptiness in the room, you have merely kept people out of it.
When you open the door to let the people back in, you aren't letting the emptiness out, you are letting people back in.


The room isn't empty so the people left inside are trapped inside and are expanded so less fill the room.
Outside the more compressed people are locked out.

There is no emptiness and never will be.

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I have no evidence because I've never seen or experienced a vacuum...and neither have you. And nor will you ever.

Uh, I've seen and worked with vacuums before.  I've got a vacuum pump right here in my house I can use if I want to work with a vacuum.

I've experienced a vacuum on parts of my body, literally touching a vacuum.

What are you going on about?  Do you really think it's impossible to do such things?  You really have such a tiny, closed mind, unable to grasp anything not literally in your hand.
You've never dealt with a vacuum, no matter how much you try to push that line.

LOL.

So you're claiming I have never operated a vacuum pump and never created a vacuum to work with?

Because it doesn't exist?  What ever reason can you have to be so convinced I've never worked with one?
A vacuum is impossible.
You may have worked with lower pressure. Many people do, even without their knowledge.

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Not a perfect vacuum. But I've definitely had some experience with vacuum chambers.

And what these vacuum chambers do, to varying degrees, is remove atmosphere from the container and super low pressure environments are created as a result.
How do they remover atmosphere from the container. I'd like you to simply explain this.

With a pump.
Explain to me nice and simply how this pump works to enable the container to become lower pressure.


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Now, one would suspect that with your theory, the lower the pressure, a magnet wouldn't be as strong as it would be in our normal atmospheric environment.
Is it as strong?
Lowering pressure kills off electromagnetic fields. Why would that be?

Oh, maybe an assumption I had about your theory is wrong. What causes some magnets to be stronger than others is probably the better question?
What is put into them, is the answer.



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In one video, the Action Lab guy (He does a lot of interesting stuff with vacuum chambers) does an experiment to see if the hovering magnetized object will spin for a different duration in a vacuum chamber as opposed to in our atmosphere.

Here is the object magnetically hovering in the chamber before any pressure is removed:



Here is the object magnetically hovering in the chamber right after he has sealed it in and started the vacuum pump:



Here is the object magnetically hovering in the chamber after a great deal of pressure has been removed:



The object is magnetically hovering at exactly the same strength/height in both scenarios. How can it do that in a significantly lower pressure environment?
Because it's not a vacuum or even close to proper lower pressure.

Look at the dial. It's at least half lower that when it started. The chamber interface kind of blocks the end result of the dial. But in all of his other vacuum experiments I'v seen, he stops the pump when the dial needle rotates all the way around counter-clockwise till its a few ticks above zero, at about the 12:04 mark usually.

I'm confused, do you believe that we can not create lower pressure environments?
We can create lower pressure environments but that's all it is.
The so called near vacuum stuff is far from it.
All you're doing is cutting down on the pressurised vibration of matter inside the container by allowing it to expand out.
How you think it comes out and how I think it comes out, are two entirely different things.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 12:29:18 AM »
Again, why shouldn't the RE have a horizon?

Simple question, simple answer.
Assuming it was magically possible to stand on a globe as you believe it to be, then looking over  that globe with level sight will only offer you a curved angle away from your level vision. It leaves you with sky. That's it.

You may not like this answer but it is an answer, so don;t be coming back saying I haven't answered.

See, this is where you misunderstand size, scale, and perspective here on Earth. Your mind just doesn't seem capable of differentiating between what you see while standing on top of a basketball, compared to what you see while standing on Earth.

I know it must be confusing for you, but this is where the app, google earth, could be very helpful and educational for someone like you. Yes, it's a computer simulation of the earth, where you can test it against the physical world around you.

I use it all the time at work.
I'm not mixed up.
The Earth that you believe in will always curve downwards and away from your vision.
Anything you look at from a level vision will never reach a distant object just a score miles away.

8 inches per mile squared is all you need to know. It does not end up trivial even over the one mile, never mind mile after mile.


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Flat Earth General / Re: What would change your mind?
« on: Today at 12:23:52 AM »
Are we back to level sight again?
Can people not see down?
Are there not computers or drawing software thst will allow someone to create a simulation and show the model matches reality?

I mean seriously - youve already admitted that nasa is cgi startrek trickery.
So someone has the ability.
Possobly those two vids i alrrady gave you thst you are yet to watch?
Take a bit more time to answer and think a bit.

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Flat Earth General / Re: ANOTHER EXPERIMENT: Gravity Doesn't Exist
« on: March 05, 2021, 05:43:03 AM »
Not a perfect vacuum. But I've definitely had some experience with vacuum chambers.

And what these vacuum chambers do, to varying degrees, is remove atmosphere from the container and super low pressure environments are created as a result.
How do they remover atmosphere from the container. I'd like you to simply explain this.


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Now, one would suspect that with your theory, the lower the pressure, a magnet wouldn't be as strong as it would be in our normal atmospheric environment.
Is it as strong?
Lowering pressure kills off electromagnetic fields. Why would that be?


 
Quote from: Stash
In one video, the Action Lab guy (He does a lot of interesting stuff with vacuum chambers) does an experiment to see if the hovering magnetized object will spin for a different duration in a vacuum chamber as opposed to in our atmosphere.

Here is the object magnetically hovering in the chamber before any pressure is removed:



Here is the object magnetically hovering in the chamber right after he has sealed it in and started the vacuum pump:



Here is the object magnetically hovering in the chamber after a great deal of pressure has been removed:



The object is magnetically hovering at exactly the same strength/height in both scenarios. How can it do that in a significantly lower pressure environment?
Because it's not a vacuum or even close to proper lower pressure.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Lighthouse dipping lights
« on: March 05, 2021, 05:38:42 AM »
There is an entire internet out there with wiki pages, online courses and thousands of people in scientific forums ready to help you understand the basic theory of gravity in simple, easy to understand ways.

If none of that helps, if it's all still too confusing for you... maybe you should stop blaming me for failing to make you understand. 

So you don't have a clue. That's all you had to say.

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