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Can we get back on topic?

If the night sky is a reflection... why doesn't the dome (ice, glass, or other) reflect the ultra bright sun during the day?

When you look at Saturn with a telescope, it is crystal clear.  The rings, lines, and even Titan.  In order for a reflection to be this clear the dome would have to be extremely polished, and would therefore reflect other light sources as well.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Mayans
« on: July 19, 2014, 10:46:44 AM »
Why is it that every thread and every topic devolves in personal accusations and arguments over semantics?  There is rarely direct responses to the actual question.

Were ancient civilizations also conspirators?  Or were they just wrong?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Meteors and Comets
« on: July 19, 2014, 12:21:26 AM »
Again, what false statement did I make?

The one where you said that a vacuum has something to do with thermal conduction, when you meant convection.  It is ok.  Everybody messes up once in a while.  Most people, however, are man enough to admit when they messed up.

I doubt he meant convection, as connection also requires a medium and cannot occur in a vacuum.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Meteors and Comets
« on: July 18, 2014, 08:25:36 PM »
Not only do refrigerators dump heat into the environment, they dump more than they extract from within the refrigerator itself.

In other words, the heat energy removed from making ice cube is dumped elsewhere.  That energy would be enough to melt an ice cube and then some.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Meteors and Comets
« on: July 18, 2014, 08:17:58 PM »
How do satellites get rid of all of the heat from the sun?  They are in a vacuum, after all.

Radiation

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You still don't get it, ausGeoff.  A billion people could believe in Santa Clause and 5 people could believe that he does not exist.  The numbers mean nothing.  He could exist or not exist without the numbers.  You seem to just have some kind of "I am right because I follow the herd" attitude.

OK, but how likely is it that a billion adults believe in Santa Claus and only 5 don't? Believing doesn't make it true, but people do tend to believe things that are reasonable and plausible.
Billions of people believe in a god. Is that reasonable and plausible? billions of people believe in ghosts, the after life. Is that reasonable and plausible?
I'm not going to answer either way, I'm just putrting it out that people will believe anything if it's spread out far and wide.
People will buy a brand of food if you saturate their heads with it by advertising it with a good sales technique.
People in their billions can be made to believe anything if it's sold to them on a saturated scale.

Humans are as gullible as hell. We respond to fear or excitement. We sit and smask our hands together and scream if a person in shorts kicks a ball into a net or a person sings a song or whatever.
Every human being can be duped, even the ultra sceptical ones. It just depends on how clever the dupe is.
Most people can be duped when it's as plain as day that they are being played for gullible. It's the nature of the beast.

They say that the secret to a good job is all in the preparation.It's true. It's also true that the secret to a good con, is also in the preparation. You prepare the minds of the people over time so that they accept the con job when it comes.

The difference is that FE, unlike religion, can be disproved.

With the right technology you can prove the shape of the earth.  You can never prove the non-existence of God.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: ***Flat Earth Q&A Change***
« on: July 17, 2014, 02:30:56 PM »
This is a welcome initiative.

May we respond to posts if we ask for clarification?  Or follow-up questions that are related? I know it's a fine line between debate and clarification, but some answers could use elaboration.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« on: July 17, 2014, 12:42:17 PM »
Shmeggley: answer me a few questions, honestly.
Do you think there are question marks over some of the events leading up to and after the moon landing carry on?

Not really. I mean, I've heard all kinds of objections from the hoax enthusiasts but nothing with any real bite to it. What events are you referring to?

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Is there anything about it that you've seen (assuming you've studied a good bit)that you thought was odd.

I admit I haven't made of studying it in depth. I think my knowledge of it is pretty average. My understanding is that in the 60's or so people decided they'd make a serious effort at landing a man on the Moon. They put a good bit of time and money into the project and it eventually succeeded. Seems reasonable to me.

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Is there anything about the mannerisms of some of the Apollo astronauts that made you suspicious?

No. Buzz Aldrin punching that wingnut in the face was pretty shocking, but the guy definitely had it coming.
Have you ever seen the post Apollo 11 press conference?
Have you ever seen astronauts gone wild?
Have you ever seen the few times that Armstrong has made a public speech?
What about Aldrin, apart form that punch job?

If you put those people on a lie detector machine, I'm convinced they would blow it up, apart from those that are not here anymore, who are at rest with no more conscience carrying that must have blighted their lives.

I've studied it all and better studied it and I can very confidently say that the space exploits of that time as a starter was a complete and utter fabrication.
That still doesn't prove anything, I admit that. I'll never be able to physically prove it I don't think. It requires a person to simply look through it all in which any rational person would see that it's peppered with holes.

It's about as clear as seeing paint splat onto your window, only to run out and see a kid with paint on his hands. You know he's done it but you didn't see him do it. The moonlandings are like that, only in reverse. You seen them on TV, do it...but you know it's a complete load of bollocks.

I concede there are a lot of holes, peculiarities, and inconsistencies.  But it also seems there is an extraordinary amount of supporting evidence as well.

It is quite possible the government didn't tell us the whole story.  There may be some conspiracy there.  But a few anamolies doesn't mean it didn't happen at all.  I think it is much more likely that the moon landing did happen... but perhaps something else also happened that is kept hidden from us.  The landing might even have served as a misdirection or cover for that other thing.

I think, personally, that the landing and *most* of the photos are real.  A few doctored pieces of evidence, or holes, doesn't negate all of that.

Cheese with holes in it is still cheese.  =)

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« on: July 17, 2014, 08:38:39 AM »
My grandfather was an engineer for Nasa and worked on the Apollo program in the 60s and early 70s.  He is enormously proud of his accomplishments.  He has a medallion commemorating his participation in Apollo 11.

If the landing was faked, the engineers at least thought they designed something legitimate.  The engineers designed what they designed.  That happened and they wouldn't have to lie about it.

Conspiracy: NASA execs took the designs but didn't actually undertake the mission.  Only a few at the top plus a dozen astronauts need bribes/threats.  The thousands of people who worked on the project need not be let in on the secret.
Except that there have been 24 astronauts that have orbited the moon, and many many more that have orbited the Earth. According to this, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_astronauts_by_name, over 560.  All from different countries, all from different eras.  This alone makes the "they are all being bribed/threatened" argument less likely.

Oh, I agree.  I'm just playing devil's advocate.  My point is that not everyone involved in the space program needed to also be in on the secret.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Meteors and Comets
« on: July 17, 2014, 08:26:08 AM »
What are the explanation for meteors and comets?
Where do they come from?

I've seen shooting stars in person.  I've visited a few famous craters.  I remember seeing Hale-Bopp after astronomers predicted it's appearance far in advance.  I remember the news when that meteor got caught in Jupiters gravity and broke up and collided.

I'm just interested what the explanation is within the context of FE, UA, and glass dome.

Thanks.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: So I guess Buzz Aldrin is still brainwashed
« on: July 16, 2014, 09:05:39 PM »
My grandfather was an engineer for Nasa and worked on the Apollo program in the 60s and early 70s.  He is enormously proud of his accomplishments.  He has a medallion commemorating his participation in Apollo 11.

If the landing was faked, the engineers at least thought they designed something legitimate.  The engineers designed what they designed.  That happened and they wouldn't have to lie about it.

Conspiracy: NASA execs took the designs but didn't actually undertake the mission.  Only a few at the top plus a dozen astronauts need bribes/threats.  The thousands of people who worked on the project need not be let in on the secret.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Visitors to Antarctica Prove Antartica is Real
« on: July 12, 2014, 01:53:49 PM »
If you were standing on Antarctica, couldn't you just look up and see the stars rotate around a central point nearly directly overhead?  That's how you know you're near the south pole, no instruments needed.

I don't think any scientists could be fooled by being led to an alternate ice covered island.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Circumnavigation.
« on: July 02, 2014, 05:51:45 PM »
This is what I meant.  Thank you.  I said "west" when I meant "straight line".

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Circumnavigation.
« on: July 02, 2014, 04:55:44 PM »
You think you are going west but in actuality moving along a circular path.  What is widely regarded as the north "pole" is approximately the center of that circle.

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