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Louis Essen, inventor of the atomic clock, disagrees that time is distorted at high altitudes and says the experiments are faulty.  Other sources say the data was averaged in a biased way.  We have no proof that time is actually dialated at higher altitudes.  This seems to support Acceleration and Infinite Earth theories.

As far as gravitational differences in the mountains I have not seen a report that conclusively says anything about this.  In fact, the gravitational pull is so widely varied across the earth (do a google on gravitational anomolies or gravitational map) that it points more to the position you are on earth, rather than the height.  There is little correlation between height and less gravitational pull.  Often times it even seems as the higher areas of the earth have more pull (due to them obviously having more localized mass).

This seems to support the following theories: Infinite Flat Earth, RE, Acceleration with a gravitationally neutral core.


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Flat Earth Q&A / Shadow Object: A Weather System?
« on: January 13, 2008, 11:37:04 AM »

My proposal: there is no shadow object;  instead it is just a dark and predictable weather system on the spotlight planets.

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Flat Earth Debate / Motives for the Conspiracy
« on: January 12, 2008, 11:05:06 AM »
I was doing some reading and I came upon a thought.  Many of the metals and materials listed in ancient texts have been depleted from the livable region on earth.

For example, Orichalcum, Gopherwood, much of the materials in ancient Taoist texts...

Could it be that we have not depleted the resources of these beyond the rim and that they have great value to the conspiracy?

What are your thoughts on this?

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Flat Earth Debate / A Simple Narcberry Experiment
« on: January 11, 2008, 10:36:55 AM »
Step 1: Buy a camera with an option for panoramic assistance.  Basically it super imposes the edge of the previous picture onto the next picture so you can line up the horizon exactly to the previous one.  Most digital cameras have it now adays.
Step 2: Attempt to take a 360 degree panoramic picture.
Step 3: Note that the horizon stays flat throughout all 360 degrees, and can even meet back up with the first in the series.

If the earth is round, note how this is impossible.  Note how this is only possible on a flat earth. Now note how easily it is done and how you yourself have verified that the earth is indeed flat!

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Flat Earth Debate / Sinking Ship Effect: Null Results
« on: January 10, 2008, 10:08:10 AM »
After 3 weeks (give or take) of being on a ship constantly departing and entering ports and shores, not once did I note a "sinking ship" effect, but instead the distance always faded out.

Now this doesn't prove that sinking ship effect doesn't happen, of course.  However, you would think out of 20 or so days I would at least note it once.  It was very disappointing.

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Flat Earth Debate / Primitive Cultures and Travel: RE Impossibility
« on: January 10, 2008, 10:01:29 AM »
While in South America I visited a museum with a great number of artifacts from the people of Easter Island and it got me thinking.

Again and again we see primitive cultures that have no business, capability, or method travelling distances that on a RE map would be impossible.  We are talking about natives that still are the most basic of any civilized culture travelling distances comparable to those travelled dangerously in the middle ages and coming out unscathed.

This is simply not possible.

For example, the native inhabitants of Easter Island.  The are claimed to be navigators and sailors beyond what reason should allow.  Travelling over 3000km to live on a tiny volcano island in the Pacific Ocean.

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Flat Earth Debate / Today is the last day
« on: December 17, 2007, 12:46:22 PM »
to give me anything to do while I am in the southern hemisphere headed towards antarctica

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Flat Earth Q&A / So...
« on: December 08, 2007, 05:39:57 AM »
Is GenGayer Tom Bishop?

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Flat Earth Debate / An interesting article
« on: October 25, 2007, 10:00:35 AM »
Some fellow believers open a bakery, and what does the government and media do?  Proclaim this innocent bakery is a cult.   

Indeed!

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New Straits Times (Malaysia)

November 30, 2006 Thursday

Deviant cult detected in bakery

BYLINE: Amir Muhammad

SECTION: LOCAL; Pg. 14

LENGTH: 578 words

THE authorities have uncovered troubling signs that a deviant cult has gained control of a bakery chain. The cult, known as the Flat Earth Society, originated in England in the 19th century but has never been known to exist in this country... until now.

The Flat Earth Society is based on the ideas of an eccentric Englishman, Samuel Birley Rowbotham (1816-1884), and his followers. According to Rowbotham, Earth is not a globe but a flat disc surrounded by walls of ice. He wrote a 430-page book expounding this view.

In the past century, evidence of Flat Earth thinking have been sporadically noted, but mainly in the Western world. These cult followers refuse to be persuaded by scientific evidence. They would dismiss instances of round-the-world travel by noted people such as Magellan and Azhar Mansor as merely clever hoaxes.

The Malaysian bakery chain known as RoughEdge (no relation to the local pop group named Ruffedge) is thought to be the front for this cult to recruit members. For weeks, the authorities have been monitoring the comings and goings of people at these bakeries.

Chief investigator Henrik Dagoo says: "We first noticed something odd about the bakery months ago. All the customers seemed to be dressed alike and this would make the other, more fashion-conscious people, in the area suspicious. They wanted to alert the fashion police but we found that the truth is even more alarming than a failure to vary one's wardrobe."

Checks by this worthy organ found that although the cakes, breads and pastries sold by the bakery are of high quality, they all have a uniform flat shape. Even the doughnuts are square rather than circular.

"This is how the indoctrination begins," Dagoo explains. "Customers who buy the pancakes and rectangular apple pies are told by the cashier that the food items resemble the shape of the Earth. From this moment on, the customers are then invited to read cult literature that elaborate on this theme."

The authorities have compiled many files of top-secret information about this dangerous cult. This worthy organ managed to obtain some of the shocking data after an expensive coffee session with the right people. We can now reveal that the practices of this deviant cult include:

A twisted form of the popular children's game "one two som" in which "stone" is not an option, leaving only knife and paper. This is because making your hand into a fist is thought to resemble "a false concept of the Earth's shape".

Using a version of the hula-hoop that is actually a square. This leads to bruises when used by delicate people.

Performing songs with altered lyrics, where lines like "around the world" are changed to "over the world".

"I would say that they've lost their marbles," says Dagoo, "except that they've banned marbles for being in a 'heretical' shape."

Although the bakery chain has only five outlets in Kuala Lumpur and Perlis, the authorities want them shut down lest they spread deviationist thinking among the gullible public.

Educational spokeswoman Feeza Mat Top says: "We can't have Malaysians thinking that the world is flat. This would mean that millions have been wasted on the school system."

However, she is confident that locals will not easily be persuaded by the cult. "They spread their teachings mainly through pamphlets and books, and we have made sure that Malaysians are allergic to reading," she says with relish. "As long as they are not given any reality TV shows to handle, we should be fine."

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Flat Earth Debate / Flat Earth in Religious and Mystical Texts
« on: October 06, 2007, 10:58:29 AM »
While I don't hold that this is any sort of "proof" for a flat earth, I thought the reoccurring theme throughout human history was interesting, much like flood stories.  Here are some of the lesser known religions that talked of a flat earth or a related topic.


Babylonian
ENUMA ELISH
THE EPIC OF CREATION
L.W. King Translator
(from The Seven Tablets of Creation, London 1902)
" He named the four quarters of the world, mankind hecreated, "

Aboriginal

Australian Legends
by C. W. Peck
[1925]
"Out on the Murrumbidgee there is a tale about the setting sun. The country there is very different from what it is where the aborigines had a story of the Escapees.

It is flat.

It seems to be below, far below, the level of the sea." ( the sun )

"It seems to be a disc, like a huge plate." ( the sun )

Obviously referring to a spotlight sun.

Polynesia

Oceanic Mythology
By Roland B. Dixon
"By the second, Papa-tu-a-nuku ("Flat, Resembling the Earth"), he was the parent of Rehua, Tane, Paia, Tu, Rongo, Ru, and a host of other minor deities."

Indonesia

Oceanic Mythology
By Roland B. Dixon
"The first son of Wigan, called Kabigat, went from the sky-region, Hudog, to the Earth World to hunt with dogs. As the earth was then entirely level, his dogs ran much from one side to another, pursuing their quarry, and this they did without Kabigat hearing their barking. In consequence of which, it is reported that Kabigat said: 'I see that the earth is completely flat, because there does not resound the echo of the barking of the dogs.' After becoming pensive for a little while he decided to return to the heights of the Sky World."

Hinduism
In creation, the world is made from a flat flower petal

Icelandic

TEUTONIC MYTH AND LEGEND
by Donald A. Mackenzie
"Skoll and Hati are giants in wolf-guise. They were sent forth by the Mother of Evil, the dark and fearsome Hag, Gulveig-Hoder, whose children they are. She dwells in the Iarnvid, the black forest of iron trees, on the world's edge, which is the habitation of a witch family dreaded both by gods and by men."

Japan
Shinto holds that heaven is over the sea and in the mountains. 




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Flat Earth Q&A / Infinite Flat Earth Gravity
« on: September 28, 2007, 12:07:29 AM »
Given an infinite flat earth, can anyone explain to me why we would need a UA?

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Flat Earth Debate / Flat Earth Geography
« on: September 03, 2007, 01:59:17 AM »
It is obvious there are some disagreements about geography in the FE vs RE.

The flat earth is an infinitely regressive large plane accelerating upwards.  There is no "ice wall" or barrier that we cannot cross.    The center of this plane is both in the North and South Poles.

Let me explain -

As one crosses perimeter south pole, one enters into the world that the south pole is the center of the earth.  When one then cross the perimeter of North pole whent he south pole is center one enters the earth where the north pole is center.  In this way the earth is fractal.

What we end up "experiencing" since we obviously don't experience either of these is the sum of all iterations of the earth based on the 0-earth. 

Obviously, this is correct.  If anyone has any of their own experimental proof otherwise, please let me know.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Google Space
« on: August 28, 2007, 08:41:45 AM »
The newest version of google earth lets you turn your camera up to the sky and look from there.  Nifty.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Anyone have this map?
« on: December 18, 2006, 06:34:46 AM »
Does anyone have a Polar Lambert Azimuthal Equal-Area Projection based on the south pole instead of the north (like the UN logo, just based on the South Pole) ? I need it for a diagram I'm working on.

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The Lounge / Mon May 01, 2006 5:32 am
« on: December 09, 2006, 08:02:49 PM »
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Most users ever online was 383 on Mon May 01, 2006 5:32 am


So what happend on the first of May?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Spotlight sunrise
« on: December 09, 2006, 03:32:07 AM »
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An idea I came up with, not sure of its validity.

Basically at the top level we have the spotlight sun.  The atmosphere on the earth forms a converging lens due a thin layer in upper levels.  When applied with atmospheric refraction, viewing from the focal point of this converging lense we see what we would expect.  However this would be blurred and hard to see due to it being a light source, and would look like how we view sunsets.  When viewed past the focal point, and importantly at ground level, we see the sun elevation reversed.

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