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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: the sun and temperatures.
« on: April 19, 2019, 08:49:40 AM »
Rowbotham, I believe, holds the heat is geothermic.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: the sun and temperatures.
« on: April 19, 2019, 08:48:06 AM »
John Davis is master on this issue and will be reply you soon.
What are you babbling on about now?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Bernie Sanders is not old enough
« on: April 10, 2019, 02:09:07 PM »
https://www.dailywire.com/news/45776/sanders-admits-hes-millionaire-if-you-write-best-ben-shapiro?%3Futm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro

Why do people use that as attack? Is it suddenly not good anymore to be a millionaire?
It hasn't been for a long time, imo.

I did take an uber from an elderly fellow today. When I mentioned what I did, the car was silent the rest of the ride.

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The Lounge / Re: How Do You Take Your Coffee?
« on: April 09, 2019, 09:24:50 AM »
I also do that often with tea. I used to do it with coffee when I was younger, but I drink coffee primarily at work now. 

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Would you let people immigrate inside your house? On your property?

Would you be a bad person if you say no?

I would say that equating my country to my house isn't a good analogy.

Maybe a better analogy would be a high rise condominium where we have a crime problem and people who have just been stabbed keeped rushing the lobby and asking to use the phone to call the police and using the restroom to bandage their wounds.
A  very valid point; the contention is over asylum and refuge laws.

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Your worldly goods and land and infrastructure rights are meaningless and worthless in the Kingdom of God.

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Yes thats the quote;

Do I believe we should let anyone in? No, even as an immigrant myself.

Do I believe a Christian should believe we should let anyone in? Most definitely. Aside from the history of Romans, and what can be assumed to be illegal immigranation in the case of Joseph leading the chosen people to Egypt and slavery (or this could also be seen more specifically to the narrative told in the bible as Egypt recognizing and helping those that seek refuge), it seems clear from the New Testament that we are to treat anybody and everybody as Christ himself. Would a Christian refuse Jesus? Where the chosen people not strangers in Egypt?

To that I still hold this view.


So should we just let everyone in Willy nilly John? There shouldn't be any law and order to it?

Yes the first Americans came here as immigrants, however, they also put the time into building the land from nothing into something. So they deserve the right to choose who joins them.

It is like taking a plot of land noone owns...claiming the spot and building a house there. Is everyone entitled to walk in your house? No..

If I build a car from metal, then title the finished product, is it everyone's to drive? No

Would you let people immigrate inside your house? On your property?

Would you be a bad person if you say no?
I wouldn't be a bad person, but I wouldn't be following the example of Christ. Now, I recognize not everybody who is Christian can act Christlike; that said, without recognition that they are not acting Christlike, they are unable to ask for forgiveness for their transgressions.  If they neither act Christlike, attempt to, or ask for forgiveness when they are not - are they even a Christian in any meaningful way?

If I were a Christian and I turned down helping those in need, yes. Yes I would consider myself a bad person.


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Yes the first Americans came here as immigrants, however, they also put the time into building the land from nothing into something. So they deserve the right to choose who joins them.

It is like taking a plot of land noone owns...claiming the spot and building a house there. Is everyone entitled to walk in your house? No..
Americans have such a right; as Christians, their duty is to give said right away freely:
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“Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

22 “The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are healthy,[l] your whole body will be full of light. 23 But if your eyes are unhealthy,[m] your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!

24 “No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

You are shifting to the argument then to them being entitled to the land, or taking it. This is not the argument at all; of course they aren't "entitled" to it. However, as a Christian, it would be the charge to give it to them.

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you shall freely open your hand to him, and shall generously lend him sufficient for his need in whatever he lacks.
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"Is it not to divide your bread with the hungry And bring the homeless poor into the house; When you see the naked, to cover him; And not to hide yourself from your own flesh?
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'For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;
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Sell your possessions and give to charity; make yourselves money belts which do not wear out, an unfailing treasure in heaven, where no thief comes near nor moth destroys.
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When Jesus heard this, He said to him, "One thing you still lack; sell all that you possess and distribute it to the poor, and you shall have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."
And so in.

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Yes thats the quote;

Do I believe we should let anyone in? No, even as an immigrant myself.

Do I believe a Christian should believe we should let anyone in? Most definitely. Aside from the history of Romans, and what can be assumed to be illegal immigranation in the case of Joseph leading the chosen people to Egypt and slavery (or this could also be seen more specifically to the narrative told in the bible as Egypt recognizing and helping those that seek refuge), it seems clear from the New Testament that we are to treat anybody and everybody as Christ himself. Would a Christian refuse Jesus? Where the chosen people not strangers in Egypt?


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The Lounge / Re: Stuff that has been going on
« on: April 08, 2019, 11:20:38 AM »
You are never causing problems by reaching out for help.

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I always had a fondness for when Jefferson cut up the bible into the good bits.

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The Lounge / Re: How Do You Take Your Coffee?
« on: April 05, 2019, 02:27:53 AM »
Its gayer!

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Flat Earth General / Re: What about the moon?
« on: April 05, 2019, 02:26:04 AM »
What measurement would suggest?

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To me the bible doesn't draw such distinctions, and purposefully does the opposite every chance it gets. To the least of us, you do upon Christ himself. You know. To drive it in - the basic fact. Stop hitting yourself. There is no distinction from man to woman, or foreigner to resident. To prisoner to freeman. If anything it again and again favors on the least of us. I am responding of course to Sessions citing Romans, of all the books ( the historical irony is thick here)

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Also the fucking Romans. And all that noise. Egypt + Romans = pay fucking attention.

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I agree with most of that.

When they came to Egypt, they came so on a promise from Joseph to enslave his own people against the fear of starvation.

Even the Pharaoh let them in at a cost. Clearly, even then, it was a bad idea to commit genocide or ignore necessary aid.  Aside from that, the whole bible - new and old - talks of not doing this shit.

There was no border, and yet, they gave the "chosen people" a chance to live. Yeah it was a shit chance it live. But they took that stick. And well. They took it.

Even the bad guys in the bible let in the foreigners.

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Sessions's quotes aside.

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Really?

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The Lounge / Re: Stuff that has been going on
« on: April 05, 2019, 01:28:18 AM »
If you need help contact me.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Re: Membership Question
« on: April 01, 2019, 10:21:49 AM »
The cost on the medallions were too high to manufacture to match the prototype. Other priorities have taken our attention recently, but reopening membership is still on our radar.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Creationism
« on: March 29, 2019, 10:22:20 PM »
The reveals herself as a flat plane to anyone who looks upon her.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why do asteroids fall down and Sun not ????
« on: March 29, 2019, 10:21:35 PM »
They are traveling towards the earth. The sun is not.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Scientific method and FE
« on: March 29, 2019, 10:16:16 PM »
Which experiments?


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Bendy light is curve fitting meets laziness.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Scientific method and FE
« on: March 29, 2019, 10:03:58 PM »
Explain, specifically?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Scientific method and FE
« on: March 29, 2019, 10:03:29 PM »
Always.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Air pressure doesnt exist without gravity
« on: March 29, 2019, 10:02:14 PM »
In UA the force would be the pseudoforce of gravity as the plane accelerates upwards.
And why doesn't the air flow off the edge?
Ad hoc would assume a tall wall to hold it in, or the cold of space to freeze it in place and make such a tall wall.
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In an infinite plane, it would be gravity.
Is the air also infinite?
Presumably
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On a non-euclidean flat earth, it would be due to the pseudoforce of gravity.
So you present three flat earth models in a effort to explain what is so simple on the Globe and there are many more.

If the earth really is flat show us one model with one continental layout that explains all we can easily observe on a simple Globe with Newtonian gravitation.
Its only simple because you already presume to know it.

What confusion do you have around the continental layout? I'm more confused about how on a round earth the continents seem to fit both ways - west and east - casting Pangea as another paleontologist dream.

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The Lounge / Re: What are you planting?
« on: March 29, 2019, 09:58:27 PM »
I have heard that charcoal ashes (like one might use in an outdoor grill) are helpful to some plants when mixed with the soil; can anyone verify?

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89562594

Don't worry it's a legit article on use of charcoal in helping soil.
Thank you; I have only heard it is useful to make souls a bit more acidic, bit I'll give it a go. Really I have been.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Scientific method and FE
« on: March 29, 2019, 09:53:07 PM »
The evidence against it falsifies it. Method, as we are taught, should pivot. History does not. Yet teleological nonsense really doesn't support either historically.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Scientific method and FE
« on: March 29, 2019, 09:51:47 PM »
Thank you wise for getting back in the conversation, You are one of the most valuable people on this forum.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The simplest solution
« on: March 29, 2019, 09:50:58 PM »
Ockham?

Really? The most conventional view must be right.

At least Mendel had some balls to him.

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