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Maybe the reason it looks sand is because it is sand.
Maybe not. A glass of water looks like a glass of alcohol. Are they the same thing?
What's the matter? Are you panicking or something?
No, i don't really care. These threads about photos bore me.Isn't it funny how RandomREalist, bravimone, starman and others cannot be honest and say:
"Yep, looks like sand to me!"
The indoctrination is strong in this thread.
I know it's hard to believe, but i'm not in the global conspiracy. Yes, it looks like sand, so what?
The footprints prove the shots weren't taken on the moon in a vacuum. As well all know, a vacuum boils away water, laet alone the super heat in the daylight, supposedly on the moon.
The footprints simply would not happen.
They look like they were done in damp sand or a sand cement type mixture on Earth.
"As I have given up being proven wrong on my A to F anomaly..."
You guys have lost that one. Angles, simulations, etc. All sorts of waffling, but no proof. I'm actually disappointed. Didn't expect it to be so easy.
Care to comment on the sand pit shot? Am I not looking at it correctly? Your comments are sure to be amusing.
You're asking questions about photography on the flat earth site. Maybe you should ask them on a photography forum, the probability of someone talking with knowledge would be much bigger. I didn't even try to answer you, because i lack knowledge about photography and i don't care about debating the apollo supposed hoax. Do you expect someone to answer you if you ask information about gardening on a forum about cars?
you are diverting the subject again. What about your two pictures.I've never claimed to be a moon dirt expert, so I can't tell you.
You don't need to be an expert. Does it look like sand?
If you aren't sure, I'll find some shots of different types of sand on the internet and you can claim they look completely different.
Starman will pipe up saying "I know it isn't sand." Because that's how his belief system works. He has been told that lunar regolith and sand are nothing like each other. It'll be fun!
I've never claimed to be a moon dirt expert, so I can't tell you.
Quoteauthor=Legion]I wouldn't bother mate. Your angles prove nothing other than the photographer moved. No one is questioning that, so what is your point?
It shows he moved to the right, you ARE disputing that. That's the whole brunt of your argument, that he only moved forward.
What was he busted for? He asked some questions. That is all. Are we all not free men who are allowed to question things? You sound like the Guestopo running around trying to "bust" people for exercising their rights.He basically indicated the last picture is wrong. We tried to explain how to him that is was not. He does not have the eye for it. He got upset and started to mouth off. We explain it again. He got frustrated again because we did not see it his way. His behaviors is very childish. Too bad for him. We tried.
I proved my case. None of you have. Right now, I'm right and you are wrong. Deal with it like an adult.
Not to sound too much like an ass legion, but all you've proven is that you don't know the actual ratios of distances required to make what you want to happen, happen. I have shown you that between your two pictures, the objects AREN'T in a line in the two pictures, I've shown you that the apparent distances, between two of the distant objects, has shrunk, as has the angle between them. If you have got two constant distances with a triangle, there is only one way (i can think of) to reduce the length of the third side of that triangle, and that's to reduce the angle opposite it.
Are you refering to this proof?:
You'll have to explain what you think you've proven.
I will Re-do the photos to show better what I'm trying to describe.
What was he busted for? He asked some questions. That is all. Are we all not free men who are allowed to question things? You sound like the Guestopo running around trying to "bust" people for exercising their rights.He basically indicated the last picture is wrong. We tried to explain how to him that is was not. He does not have the eye for it. He got upset and started to mouth off. We explain it again. He got frustrated again because we did not see it his way. His behaviors is very childish. Too bad for him. We tried.
I proved my case. None of you have. Right now, I'm right and you are wrong. Deal with it like an adult.
Not to sound too much like an ass legion, but all you've proven is that you don't know the actual ratios of distances required to make what you want to happen, happen. I have shown you that between your two pictures, the objects AREN'T in a line in the two pictures, I've shown you that the apparent distances, between two of the distant objects, has shrunk, as has the angle between them. If you have got two constant distances with a triangle, there is only one way (i can think of) to reduce the length of the third side of that triangle, and that's to reduce the angle opposite it.
What did you prove? Is it that NASA faked the pictures?What was he busted for? He asked some questions. That is all. Are we all not free men who are allowed to question things? You sound like the Guestopo running around trying to "bust" people for exercising their rights.He basically indicated the last picture is wrong. We tried to explain how to him that is was not. He does not have the eye for it. He got upset and started to mouth off. We explain it again. He got frustrated again because we did not see it his way. His behaviors is very childish. Too bad for him. We tried.
I proved my case. None of you have. Right now, I'm right and you are wrong. Deal with it like an adult.
As Armstrong moves in to take the second shot, he walks straight forward. We know this because D, E and F are all the same (relative) distance from each other. For the second, close up shot, the following is observed:It's rather obvious, he moved forward, slightly to the right, and aimed the camera slightly right. Had he simply moved straight forward, the features directly below the crater (B) would have remained lined up, but they don't.
C moves out of the frame.
A moves to the right and becomes vertically aligned with D
My question is: what causes A and D to become vertically aligned?
In my experience, and following tests this evening (just to be absolutely sure), an item which is off to the left as A is, will always appear to move to the left until it disappears out of the frame as C did, when you move toward it. A rational explanation for this strange anomaly would be good.
What was he busted for? He asked some questions. That is all. Are we all not free men who are allowed to question things? You sound like the Guestopo running around trying to "bust" people for exercising their rights.He basically indicated the last picture is wrong. We tried to explain how to him that is was not. He does not have the eye for it. He got upset and started to mouth off. We explain it again. He got frustrated again because we did not see it his way. His behaviors is very childish. Too bad for him. We tried.
If you looked my profile it is 64. I am not afraid to show it and why not. One reason of the test is to see how guys like you react to items like that. You become frustrated, can't debate properly, you can't be nice or serious and become full of yourself. Here are your words: "You will never be as logical as I am". You seem to give the impression you are always right and never wrong. You pass the test as a real FE'er. By the way why are you so angry? I have to go for a few hours...How old are you?Wow you sure don't have any patience. Are you behind on your Ritalin? I want to let others give their open opinion of the pictures. Can you wait a bit?You assume that I could not be so lucky to take picture of a crash. Is that right?I've got it!Sorry. Maybe the aliens shot the plane and the people on the ground are barbecuing an elephant.
One - shows a satellite falling to earth (thereby proving their existence).
Two - shows Martians having a get together enjoying a couple of Mars geysers.
Do I win a prize?
So, what do your photos really show, starman. It had better be good....
Stop asking questions. I don't give a **** what your(?) photos show. Are you still breast feeding? Do you need nourishment?
I'm happy to wait forever. You will never be as logical as I am. You either have it, or you don't. You've appealed to authority many times (in the couple of days I've been here). My advice to you is; don't hang around with the adults. You aren't ready buddy. Maybe in a few years. Or maybe not. Probably not.
Forties. And you? Or do you want people to guess??? And drag it out like you have with your uninteresting 'plane test'?
How old are you?Wow you sure don't have any patience. Are you behind on your Ritalin? I want to let others give their open opinion of the pictures. Can you wait a bit?You assume that I could not be so lucky to take picture of a crash. Is that right?I've got it!Sorry. Maybe the aliens shot the plane and the people on the ground are barbecuing an elephant.
One - shows a satellite falling to earth (thereby proving their existence).
Two - shows Martians having a get together enjoying a couple of Mars geysers.
Do I win a prize?
So, what do your photos really show, starman. It had better be good....
Stop asking questions. I don't give a **** what your(?) photos show. Are you still breast feeding? Do you need nourishment?
I'm happy to wait forever. You will never be as logical as I am. You either have it, or you don't. You've appealed to authority many times (in the couple of days I've been here). My advice to you is; don't hang around with the adults. You aren't ready buddy. Maybe in a few years. Or maybe not. Probably not.
Wow you sure don't have any patience. Are you behind on your Ritalin? I want to let others give their open opinion of the pictures. Can you wait a bit?You assume that I could not be so lucky to take picture of a crash. Is that right?I've got it!Sorry. Maybe the aliens shot the plane and the people on the ground are barbecuing an elephant.
One - shows a satellite falling to earth (thereby proving their existence).
Two - shows Martians having a get together enjoying a couple of Mars geysers.
Do I win a prize?
So, what do your photos really show, starman. It had better be good....
Stop asking questions. I don't give a **** what your(?) photos show. Are you still breast feeding? Do you need nourishment?
You assume that I could not be so lucky to take picture of a crash. Is that right?I've got it!Sorry. Maybe the aliens shot the plane and the people on the ground are barbecuing an elephant.
One - shows a satellite falling to earth (thereby proving their existence).
Two - shows Martians having a get together enjoying a couple of Mars geysers.
Do I win a prize?
So, what do your photos really show, starman. It had better be good....
I've got it!Sorry. Maybe the aliens shot the plane and the people on the ground are barbecuing an elephant.
One - shows a satellite falling to earth (thereby proving their existence).
Two - shows Martians having a get together enjoying a couple of Mars geysers.
Do I win a prize?
Do you see the red color in the smoke of the falling airplane.
I want to show you how you can see two pictures and make conclusion from it. Do you see the red color in the smoke of the first airplane.I did not type that right. I took both picture myself.I took both pictures of these pictures.
Why would you take a picture of a picture? Seems sort of redundant or possibly even criminal.
Come on, what is the secret? It's not that interesting, surely?
I did not type that right. I took both picture myself.I took both pictures of these pictures.
Why would you take a picture of a picture? Seems sort of redundant or possibly even criminal.
I took both pictures of these pictures. What is wrong or what can you conclude of these pictures.
You talk a lot too. If your point is that NASA fixed the photos then say so. We went through this stuff to help you understand the pictures. We don't have to agree to anything becaus you said so and you think you are right. I am going to put you my conspiracy theorist shit list of people that have no education or knowledge of science. So were the photos fake?I was trying to be nice to you and that is your response. I explained things and you don't both to figure it out. Well I don't have to prove anything to you. It is your post and you have to prove you are right it right and wrong is your thing. I suggest you prove your position or you shut up. I think you can't prove your point and you get frustrated so blame me for it. Not going to work.It is not about right or wrong unless you want it to be. We just want to help you learn about what you see sometimes is not what it is. Some people have an eye for photography and angles and some don't. It is a learning process for all. Next time you see pictures like that look at it for a while and it is amazing what your missed.the angles are really only there to illustrate that the apparent horizontal distance between the objects changed, which indicates to me, that the horizontal position of the person taking the photo, changed.
Like I said, create a model. It doesn't have to be exact. The only requirements are:
1. Take a photo of either the zoomed in or zoomed out position.
2. Without moving anything, other than the camera, take the other photo.
3. Make sure your results are the same as the Apollo shots.
4. Laugh at me for being wrong!
Seriously, I don't mind being wrong as long as it is proven. If you can do it, I'll need instructions to confirm your results.
starman, you talk a lot, but you're starting to look a bit foolish. There is a simple experiment you can perform that will show me (and others) the errors of my ways. Instead you waffle on about angles, 'eye for photography', learning processes and so on. At this stage, I suggest you either prove me wrong or shut up.
You don't need to be nice to me. You don't need to explain things to me, either. You need to either accept my evidence for fakery or prove it wrong. And by the way, I have already proven my position. But you haven't proven yours, have you? I expect you are hoping that RandomREalist will. Then you will agree with whatever he says and think you've proven it also!
I was trying to be nice to you and that is your response. I explained things and you don't both to figure it out. Well I don't have to prove anything to you. It is your post and you have to prove you are right it right and wrong is your thing. I suggest you prove your position or you shut up. I think you can't prove your point and you get frustrated so blame me for it. Not going to work.It is not about right or wrong unless you want it to be. We just want to help you learn about what you see sometimes is not what it is. Some people have an eye for photography and angles and some don't. It is a learning process for all. Next time you see pictures like that look at it for a while and it is amazing what your missed.the angles are really only there to illustrate that the apparent horizontal distance between the objects changed, which indicates to me, that the horizontal position of the person taking the photo, changed.
Like I said, create a model. It doesn't have to be exact. The only requirements are:
1. Take a photo of either the zoomed in or zoomed out position.
2. Without moving anything, other than the camera, take the other photo.
3. Make sure your results are the same as the Apollo shots.
4. Laugh at me for being wrong!
Seriously, I don't mind being wrong as long as it is proven. If you can do it, I'll need instructions to confirm your results.
starman, you talk a lot, but you're starting to look a bit foolish. There is a simple experiment you can perform that will show me (and others) the errors of my ways. Instead you waffle on about angles, 'eye for photography', learning processes and so on. At this stage, I suggest you either prove me wrong or shut up.
You don't need to be nice to me. You don't need to explain things to me, either. You need to either accept my evidence for fakery or prove it wrong. And by the way, I have already proven my position. But you haven't proven yours, have you? I expect you are hoping that RandomREalist will. Then you will agree with whatever he says and think you've proven it also!
The thin is, unless you're able to get the exact same ratio of distances, as the original picture, you'll never duplicate the results.
I was trying to be nice to you and that is your response. I explained things and you don't both to figure it out. Well I don't have to prove anything to you. It is your post and you have to prove you are right it right and wrong is your thing. I suggest you prove your position or you shut up. I think you can't prove your point and you get frustrated so blame me for it. Not going to work.It is not about right or wrong unless you want it to be. We just want to help you learn about what you see sometimes is not what it is. Some people have an eye for photography and angles and some don't. It is a learning process for all. Next time you see pictures like that look at it for a while and it is amazing what your missed.the angles are really only there to illustrate that the apparent horizontal distance between the objects changed, which indicates to me, that the horizontal position of the person taking the photo, changed.
Like I said, create a model. It doesn't have to be exact. The only requirements are:
1. Take a photo of either the zoomed in or zoomed out position.
2. Without moving anything, other than the camera, take the other photo.
3. Make sure your results are the same as the Apollo shots.
4. Laugh at me for being wrong!
Seriously, I don't mind being wrong as long as it is proven. If you can do it, I'll need instructions to confirm your results.
starman, you talk a lot, but you're starting to look a bit foolish. There is a simple experiment you can perform that will show me (and others) the errors of my ways. Instead you waffle on about angles, 'eye for photography', learning processes and so on. At this stage, I suggest you either prove me wrong or shut up.
It is not about right or wrong unless you want it to be. We just want to help you learn about what you see sometimes is not what it is. Some people have an eye for photography and angles and some don't. It is a learning process for all. Next time you see pictures like that look at it for a while and it is amazing what your missed.the angles are really only there to illustrate that the apparent horizontal distance between the objects changed, which indicates to me, that the horizontal position of the person taking the photo, changed.
Like I said, create a model. It doesn't have to be exact. The only requirements are:
1. Take a photo of either the zoomed in or zoomed out position.
2. Without moving anything, other than the camera, take the other photo.
3. Make sure your results are the same as the Apollo shots.
4. Laugh at me for being wrong!
Seriously, I don't mind being wrong as long as it is proven. If you can do it, I'll need instructions to confirm your results.
the angles are really only there to illustrate that the apparent horizontal distance between the objects changed, which indicates to me, that the horizontal position of the person taking the photo, changed.
I asked this yesterday, and you never answered. What do you mean by "vertically aligned"?
Sorry, I meant B, E and F are all vertically aligned similarly on both shots. Not in a straight line, like this (diagonally):
B
E
F
I don't think they're in alignment as much as you seem to:
B, E and F. Not A and F!
Sorry, I understood what you meant, but my lines weren't conveying what I was trying to show, adequately.
Try this one
notice How much larger the angle of the yellow angle is, compared to the blue.
I asked this yesterday, and you never answered. What do you mean by "vertically aligned"?
Sorry, I meant B, E and F are all vertically aligned similarly on both shots. Not in a straight line, like this (diagonally):
B
E
F
I don't think they're in alignment as much as you seem to:
