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The Lounge / What would you do with 30 seconds?
« on: December 01, 2006, 10:22:18 AM »

Flat Earth Q&A / rebuttle to "rebuttle to its a conspiracy"
« on: December 01, 2006, 10:19:27 AM »
You can't prove a conspiracy doesn't exist so don't try. It's that simple.

The best you can do is be glad when your argument forces a FE'er to play the conspiracy card.

The Lounge / Rick James, 2nd class citizen?
« on: December 01, 2006, 06:02:28 AM »
Assuming that Rick James and Beast are citizens of Australia you'd assume that their status as Australian Citizen was equal wouldn't you? Read on...

Rick James

Location: ACT (territory)
Registered Voters: 227,541
House of Representatives Seats: 2
Senate Seats: 2
Self-Governance: Semi-seperate powers to Federal Government


Location: TAS (state)
Registered Voters: 343,809
House of Representative Seats: 5
Senate Seats: 12
Self-Governance: Seperate powers to Federal Government

Just as a quick comparison: Tasmania gets a senator for every 29,000 voters whereas in the ACT there is only 1 senator for every 114,000 voters. This means that the Tasmanian's voter's vote carries almost four times as much weight as a voter's from the ACT.

In the house of representatives it's not quite as bad, there are 5 seats in Tasmania but still only 2 in the ACT. There is no reason why the ACT should only get 2 seats in the house of representatives - the difference in the number of senators is because one's a state and the other's a territory but all the states have different numbers in the house of representatives. If the voters in the ACT were divided into 3 seats for the House each of those House Members would still be representing a larger number of voters than any of the House Members of Tasmania.

Finally, there is the issue of self-governance. Whereas Tasmania gave up some of its powers to the Commonwealth in 1901 and retained some of its legislative powers the ACT was given self-governance by the Commonwealth. If the ACT legislates something that the Federal Government doesn't like then they can instruct the Govenor General to overturn the ACT legislation. The Govenor General does not have these powers in relation to Tasmania. If the Federal Government doesn't like Tasmanian legislation then they can only challenge it in court*. The only person that can overturn Tasmania's laws as easily as the Govenor General has overturned ACT law is Tasmania's own Govenor.

All in all if Beast and Rick James are to be considered equal wouldn't that make Beast "more" equal?**

Numbers of voters taken from AEC website

*Or by threatening to withhold money
**For those serious people in here: I know that's impossible

Flat Earth Q&A / Spatial Differences
« on: November 27, 2006, 07:29:44 AM »
Okay, here's my rough idea of how to explain the spatial differences in a Flat Earth and the maps provided by the Conspiracy.

Basically it's very far fetched and probably not possible with Conspiracy style physics and still leaves loads of discrepancies between Flat Earth and what you observe.

Anyway, here it is: worm holes, or more accurately Worm Slices.

I figure if a worm hole can connect two points across the universe ignoring the space in between then why can't they be applied to Flat Earth.

Basically what I'm thinking is you take a pseudocylindrical map of the earth.

And arrange it like the petals of a flower.

The space in between the petals doesn't exist (in the same way you don't travel through the space in between wormholes). So to observations of the Flat Earth and travel it appears like normal space but in reality there are worm slices spread throughout it.

There would also be a rather large amalgamation of wormslices at the hub in the centre. This we could call the North Hole. :lol:

I drew a better picture at home (instead of the flower) but I don't have a scanner so I can't put it on the computer.

Flat Earth Q&A / My proof for this week
« on: November 27, 2006, 05:10:02 AM »
Observational proof that the earth is round:

  • The sun always appears as a circle and never as an elipse no matter what its position in the sky therefore the sun is a globe.
    EDIT: If the sun was a disc the only time it would appear circular is if it was facing you head on. As the sun appears as a circle almost all the time it therefore stands that it is spherical.
  • As the sun is a globe it emits light in all directions and not like a spotlight/torchlight, therefore for night to occur the sun's light must be obstructed from view. The sun couldn't just move around a surface of a flat Earth else night would not occur. Therefore the sun either orbits around the earth or the earth rotates (or flips in the case of a flat earth).
  • If the earth was flat this would mean that night time would occur at the same time everywhere on the earth, as would day time. However it is not possible to observe whether this is the case or not so it is not possible to determine what shape the earth is based on this point.[/color]
  • In either case (rotation or orbiting sun) the moon would be lit by the sun and sometimes the earth would cast a shadow upon it. Low and behold, the cresent moon. :oops: EDIT: Low and behold, the lunar eclipse.
  • As Aristotle pointed out the earth's shadow on the moon always appears as a circle and never an elipse therefore the earth must be a sphere and not a disc.
I am aware that my reasoning would work whether the earth orbits the sun or the other way around. I am not going to add proof as to which it is as that was not what I set out to prove.


Flat Earth Q&A / Indisputable truth...
« on: November 24, 2006, 07:13:43 AM »
Sorry about the subject title, just wanted you to see my poll.

Flat Earth Q&A / How can you trust maps?
« on: November 24, 2006, 07:11:09 AM »
Assuming there is a massive world-wide conspiracy why do you believe their maps?!

Surely the government(s)/NASA/Santa Clause could fake these just as well as they could fake the physics of a world round???

Flat Earth Q&A / Distances
« on: November 24, 2006, 07:04:31 AM »
Dear Flat Earthers,

How did you come to the figures for diameter, circumference, distance to sun/moon, diamter of sun/moon, distance of stars, height of ice wall, etc.?

I would genuinely like to know this.

Flat Earth Q&A / Shoot yourself in the foot
« on: November 24, 2006, 06:57:31 AM »
Quote from: "FAQ"
Q : "Why is the North pole colder than the equator?"

A: The sun orbits over the equator, not the North pole

Quote from: "FAQ"
Q: How do seasons work?

The radius of the sun's orbit around the Earth's axis symmetry varies throughout the year, being smallest when summer is in the northern annulus and largest when it is summer in the southern annulus.

Which is it???

Flat Earth Q&A / The moon is a sphere
« on: November 24, 2006, 06:02:38 AM »
Quote from: "FAQ"
Q: "Why are other celestial bodies round but not the Earth?"

A: When you look at these celestial bodies, even with a telescope, they're entirely two-dimensional.

The quote above seems to suggest that the moon is a disc. Here's why I logically believe the moon to be a sphere:
  • When the moon is full it is a circle.
  • This is true no matter where you are on the globe...sorry disc.
  • If the moon was a disc it would appear as an elipse unless you were directly under it.
  • Moon phases can't explain this as the moon sometimes appears as a cresent.

Flat Earth Q&A / Why the North Hub?
« on: November 23, 2006, 10:23:53 AM »
Just a quick question. Why is North the hub of Flat Earth and South is the rim? Isn't that a bit baised against people in the Southern Hemidisc? Flat Earthers, what proof* do you have that this is the case?

*We know how much you like to go on about proof - remember photos etc. do not count, nor do accounts of other people unless you buy me a plane ticket I won't believe it (that's one for you Mr. 2-heads hobart).

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