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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Gravity on other planets
« on: September 28, 2011, 06:27:08 AM »
Anybody?.....Bueller?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: proof the earth is round
« on: September 27, 2011, 03:48:42 PM »
I could equally claim that you ignore the multiple experiments over the years that confirmed Rowbotham's conclusions
You could indeed. The difference, of course, is that I would be ignoring experiments & results that have since been refuted.

Scientific theories are constantly evolving based on new evidence, experiments, etc. What you are doing is ignoring the newest, peer-reviewed scientific theories in favour of archaic disproved theories. What I am doing is ignoring the older, disproved theories in favour of the newer, peer-reviewed ones. I'm sure you can see the difference.

The problem with conspiracy theories is that no evidence can disprove them - they will all simply become part of the conspiracy.

Some of the Bedford Level experiments HAVE been recent. Our President actually conducted the experiment himself, and guess what? The Earth was flat according to his findings.

Link?
Has this been peer reviewed? Again link?
By president, I assume you're referring to the president of the FE society. He wouldn't be biased at all I'm sure.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: proof the earth is round
« on: September 27, 2011, 11:08:30 AM »
I could equally claim that you ignore the multiple experiments over the years that confirmed Rowbotham's conclusions
You could indeed. The difference, of course, is that I would be ignoring experiments & results that have since been refuted.

Scientific theories are constantly evolving based on new evidence, experiments, etc. What you are doing is ignoring the newest, peer-reviewed scientific theories in favour of archaic disproved theories. What I am doing is ignoring the older, disproved theories in favour of the newer, peer-reviewed ones. I'm sure you can see the difference.

The problem with conspiracy theories is that no evidence can disprove them - they will all simply become part of the conspiracy.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: proof the earth is round
« on: September 27, 2011, 09:37:47 AM »
Oh, how convenient. When there appears to be curvature, optics are working just perfectly and there are no effects that would cause this. When it appears to be flat, it must be some sort of trick!
I don't see any mention of a "trick".

Also, it would seem to be cherry-picking when you use the initial results of an experiment carried out in 1838 as a "proof" and conveniently ignore how this experiment has been refuted multiple times over the years since then.

Also, don't FE'ers claim that "bendy light" explains multiple problems with FE theory, yet when light bends due to refraction, you're claiming that it is a "convenient" way to refute FE. Something here doesn't add up...

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: proof the earth is round
« on: September 27, 2011, 07:27:00 AM »
SHOW ME THE TEST THAT SHOWS IT'S FLAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bedford level experiment

From the Wikipedia article:
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Early results seemed to prove the Earth to be flat, but most later attempts to reproduce the observations firmly supported the established view that the earth is a sphere.
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Refraction of light can produce the results noted by Rowbotham and Blount. Because the density of air in the Earth's atmosphere decreases with height above the Earth's surface, all light rays travelling nearly horizontally bend downward. This phenomenon is routinely allowed for in levelling and celestial navigation.[13] If the measurement is close enough to the surface, light rays can curve downward at a rate equal to the mean curvature of the Earth's surface. In this case, the two effects of curvature and refraction cancel each other out and the Earth will appear flat in optical experiments.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Gravity on other planets
« on: September 27, 2011, 07:15:34 AM »
From  the FAQ:
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Q: "Why are other planets round, but not the Earth?"

A: The Earth is not one of the other planets. The Earth is special and unlike the other bodies in numerous ways.

I can't help but wonder how a FE'er would expect to experience standing on another planet at, for example, the south pole (or equivalent).
Assuming that the planet was sufficiently large that the horizon seemed flat (as the curvature would be slight), there would be no visible evidence that they were standing on a globe as against a plate.
Would they expect to fall off the planet if they were at the "bottom"? Or would they accept that gravity would keep them on the surface?

If you accept that gravity would hold you onto the planet's surface & the horizon would seem flat, then the experience would presumably be pretty similar to standing at any point on the Earth's surface. Why the need to invent theories that "prove" that the Earth is flat?

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