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Flat Earth Q&A / the
« on: April 18, 2006, 07:43:06 AM »
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« on: April 18, 2006, 07:39:13 AM »
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Announcements / Forums announcements, suggestions, etc..
« on: April 18, 2006, 07:21:43 AM »
The least I can do is thank you for the separate flat earther category offer, particularly if it comes to fruition.

- Dionysios

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Your sarcasm is understood, but also understand that while I think the photo is impressive, my intention is to introduce others to the rich selection of links and articles which accompany the photo and throughout that extensive website which contain considerably more knowledge than the picture alone.

- Dionysios

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Flat Earth Q&A / the
« on: April 18, 2006, 12:57:16 AM »
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The Lounge / President
« on: April 18, 2006, 12:50:12 AM »
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The Lounge / Zacarias Moussaoui is guilty!
« on: April 17, 2006, 11:32:26 PM »
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To see an actual photograph of President bush meeting his 'gurus,' go to this informative link and scroll down to the U.S.A. politics section under Jewish Power (about a third of the way down the page past the photos of american abuses in Iraq):

 http://www.radioislam.org/islam/english/

- Dionysios

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Announcements / Forums announcements, suggestions, etc..
« on: April 17, 2006, 10:49:29 PM »
I have decide the aforementioned proposal important enough to merit its own topic under General Discussion and have initiated it as a post there.  
Recommend opinions to this proposal be posted there instead.

- Dionysios

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Flat Earth Q&A / the
« on: April 17, 2006, 10:44:53 PM »
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Announcements / Forums announcements, suggestions, etc..
« on: April 17, 2006, 10:28:20 PM »
To Daniel, Cheesejof, Erasmus (and any other moderators interested),

  Cheesejof asked my opinion as to the creation of a new category for flat earthers within the General Discussion Category based on Chaltier's proposal.  Cheesejof, a non-flat earth moderator, is in favor of this.  Chaltier and I both think the idea is good, but we also think that only flat earthers should be able to make posts there as opposed to simply having all posts screened for anti-flat earth arguments.  He said he would go with either idea, and I askeed if he wanted to be the moderator to which I am awaiting a reply.  What do you all say to the idea in general?  And what do you say as to whether non-flat earthers can make posts there or not?  I think if only persons approved by the moderator were allowed to make posts it would make the moderator's job a lot easier.  If non-flat earther's make posts, it rather destroys the whole idea of the thing as there are arenas for interaction already and which have been cleaned up as well, yet the original principle purpose I for one as a flat earther became interested in this forum remains rather unrecognized.  I think it so for other flat earthers.  At least Chaltier had voiced the same desire without my previously having prompted or contacted him.   For the sake of "equality" you could even set up an exclusive round earth club category (though I admit that would be dumb - you would not have to worry about me visiting, or perhaps anyone else for that matter).  
I submit that the adoption of Chaltier's idea which cheesejof suggested by establishing a category for flat earthers would be a step in the right direction.  It could be called the Flat Earth Club.

  Why not let us hear the moderators' opinions (as well as Chaltier's and any interested flat earthers) and then let Daniel decide?

- Dionysios

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Announcements / Forums announcements, suggestions, etc..
« on: April 17, 2006, 10:08:13 PM »
You're more naive than I had bargained for.

- Dionysios

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The Lounge / Allow Illiteracy to Flourish
« on: April 17, 2006, 09:55:08 PM »
Industrial civilization is the cause of many peoples' starvation as it destroys their self-reliance and breaks up families and traditional societies.  Elimination of industrialism fosters stability and self-reliance both by opportunity as well as necessity.

  Literacy and ignorance are two different things.  Many examples of this.  Take Orthodox Ikons for one.  They abide by a rigorous science and must be theologically correct, and they impart theological knowledge.  They are books for people who cannot read.  You are the one who is ignorant of tradditional art as well as symbolism and the their deeper meanings are completely over your head but not so for illiterate people of many traditions.
  The literacy of modern man has only put a weapon in the hand of a beast to make him more of a beast.  It has not civilized him.  Morality is not literacy.  You are a fool for believing so as well as direspectful to dignified illiterate people everywhere.  
  You refer to the dark ages which I suppose you mean the middle ages (and you are roman catholic?!) and the quality of art.  The quality of art went down a sinkhole with the end of the middle ages.  The decadence of modern art in the west began with the renaissance as has the decline of so many other fields of disciplines.  The renaissance was not the rebirth of anything but the death of many things, and many great traditional sciences and disciplines unfortunately saw their final form during that time.  

  You are correct as to my disbelief in the equality of man.  That does not mean I am racist or Darwinist. Those are modern things of the west.  But oligarchy is exactly what is masked as democracy in the west today and increasingly even in the east as it is "westernized."  Democracy is an impossibility (aside from its undesirable character) that never existed.  The fact that anyone believes in democracy shows how stupid and gullible they are.  (I am criticized for pointing out Mao's good points even as I point out his faults, but my critics turn a blind eye to america which is ten times as worse as he ever was.)

  As to civilizations throughout history, literacy did become widespread prior to their demise.  And these did not need printing presses (which did not always exist) to achieve mass literacy (especially as that mass literacy was not the same quality as that of a scholar's).
 
  Take for instance nineteenth century Russia.  Those in Siberia east of the Ural mountains were more often than not illiterate, but those rural peoples' spirituality was higher than that of their mostly literate brethren in european Russia.  

  I reiterate ignorance and literacy are from from the same.  To equate them is to be ignorant of their definitions.  I do favor knowledge over ignorance, but not at all costs.

  And literacy in the hands of a fool bequeaths power to ignorance.

- Dionysios

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Announcements / Forums announcements, suggestions, etc..
« on: April 17, 2006, 07:59:08 PM »
Just as democracy blasphemously gives Judas Iscariot and the Devil on the same vote as Jesus Christ, so free debate obscures the truth.
  The strength of the truth is in its quality.  The Devil's strength lies in quantity.

- Dionysios

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The Lounge / Romano Prodi victory
« on: April 17, 2006, 07:41:16 PM »
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The Lounge / To Dionysios: regarding Chinese leaders
« on: April 17, 2006, 07:33:01 PM »
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Flat Earth Q&A / THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY FORUMS EXPOSED
« on: April 17, 2006, 01:31:21 PM »
We have opposing views as to what leads to scientific truth, but that does not block the possibiltiy of the category.  As to the whole forum I was making a point rather than wondering at its purpose to which your comment is appropriate.
  I would like to see what other flat earthers think of the idea (or others for that matter, although I doubt any naysayers are enthusiasts).

I'll check tomorrow.  I am in China and it's miserably late over here about now.

Signing off,

Dionysios

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Flat Earth Q&A / THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY FORUMS EXPOSED
« on: April 17, 2006, 01:01:37 PM »
I am not so sure I would even believe it good unless non-flat earthers were banned from posting.  At the least I think a flat earther could be the moderator (as long as one were up to it).
  As to your question on the utility of such a forum, i had mentioned above that the richest ideas had never even gotten off the ground, and the rampant criticim had tended to stifle my expression.  I still believe what I believe, of course, but the effect of this wildly democratic kind of forum is to kill the expression of anything except the basest ideas.  It is good and necessary that some controls have been aded to this forum with time and it has become more civilised as a result even though it carries the biases I have referred to which make a category like this desirable.  (One could also ask what is the purpose of the whole forum?  Do you think that should be done away with as being just as useless as the proposed category.)  To end, the proposed category could be a small step (depending on the rules attached to it) towards the significant dissemination of scientific truth.

- Dionysios

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The Lounge / Allow Illiteracy to Flourish
« on: April 17, 2006, 12:44:59 PM »
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Flat Earth Q&A / THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY FORUMS EXPOSED
« on: April 17, 2006, 12:29:26 PM »
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Flat Earth Q&A / THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY FORUMS EXPOSED
« on: April 17, 2006, 12:04:33 PM »
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Flat Earth Q&A / A Remonstrance to the Anti-Flat Earth Society
« on: April 17, 2006, 11:07:45 AM »
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The Lounge / Allow Illiteracy to Flourish
« on: April 17, 2006, 10:59:10 AM »
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The Lounge / Allow Illiteracy to Flourish
« on: April 17, 2006, 10:53:43 AM »
Widespread literacy is a detriment to civilization.  This is not to advocate total illiteracy.  Reading should not be prohibited to those who are interested.  And an elite should have knowledge which does not necessarily imply literacy.

  Widespread illiteracy was a major component of all traditional civilzations including the early Christian, and this element was a major reason for their stability.  Correspondingly, widespread literacy is a contributor to the instability and decadence of modern civilization.

  The fact should also be borne in mind that oral tradition preceeded literate tradition in all societies, and the former is more sacred and superior to the latter.

  Modern industrial civilization is dependent upon widespread literacy.  The principle reason why widespread literacy has been enforced in modern times by means of an artificial and modern (and degenerate) education system is that industry requires a pool of semi-literate proletariats to supply labor in order to function.

  This is the reason corporations are willing to replace public schools, but also why education is so poor and mass education by private corporations will ultimately produce even lower quality education than that of public schools.

  The best and the cheapest (for the taxpayers that is as opposed to the wealthy few) solution to schooling is to abolish most schools and replace them with absolutely nothing.  This will allow illiteracy to flourish.

  If widespread illiteracy were accomplished on a world wide scale, then industrial civilization would die due to lack of labor.  The concept is equivalent to a fire triangle.  If oxygen is removed, then a fire will die.  If labor is removed, then capitalism will perish.  The vacuum would allow tradition or villagism to rise as people returned to the basics.  Life would be more natural and less robotic and secular.  Significantly, society would be less controlled.
 
  Literacy is a major factor in distinguishing traditional civilization from the modern and why the former is superior to the latter.

  The case for illiteracy is eloquently presented in 'The Bugbear of Literacy' by Ananda K. Coomaraswamy which is kept in print by Fons Vitae:
http://www.fonsvitae.com/bugbearliteracy.html

  As much as this important subject is merely one aspect of the abyss which separates traditional medieval civilization from modern society, the publishers appropriately added an equally interesting and hitherto unpublished essay by Coomaraswamy entitled 'The Bugbear of Democracy, Freedom, and Equality' at the end of the book.

- Dionysios

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Flat Earth Q&A / THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY FORUMS EXPOSED
« on: April 17, 2006, 10:34:42 AM »
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Blockhead,

  You'd be surprised how much progress can be made by like minded people.  On that, I am not deterred.
  Clearly, I am disappointed with the forum.  Do you think it a success?  I surely do not.  What do you count as its strong good points?  Seriously.  Not to win an argument.  I want to hear what they are because I seemingly find disgust in perhaps the same things in this forum where you find joy.

- Dionysios

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Flat Earth Q&A / THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY FORUMS EXPOSED
« on: April 17, 2006, 10:10:20 AM »
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Flat Earth Q&A / THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY FORUMS EXPOSED
« on: April 17, 2006, 07:27:10 AM »
Annoying Penguin,

  On second thought it may perhaps be a tight-knit group after all, in a sort of anti-flat earth kind of way.

- Dionysios

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Flat Earth Q&A / THE FLAT EARTH SOCIETY FORUMS EXPOSED
« on: April 17, 2006, 07:23:16 AM »
Annoying Penguin,

  I am already familiar with everything you posted.

  And by the way, you are ALMOST CERTAIN that your organization's leader believes in the avowed cause which neither you nor any of the other trustees believe in?
  Sounds like a real tight-knit group, pardon the sarcasm.

- Dionysios

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Flat Earth Q&A / Whoever proof-read your FAQ deserves an award
« on: April 17, 2006, 07:07:53 AM »
I believe the earth is flat, but I certainly do not believe it is moving.  Even the belief in a spherical earth is much older than that modern and absurd idea.  I do not ever remember Rowbotham writing anything advocating a moving earth.  Let me know if he did, otherwise I would say the FAC is inaccurate even in its description of Rowbotham's nineteenth century flat earthism.  At any rate, what I believe is somewhat removed from this "cutting edge" discussion.

  For example:  the concept of anything travelling "faster than light"  Faster than light?  The idea that light travels at any speed at all is wrong.  It is instantaneous.  Then as to modern fantasy like time travel - a waste of my time.

- Dionysios

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