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The Lounge / Re: How long
« on: June 18, 2010, 02:45:22 PM »
Well, I had an SM forum hacked a while back.  Saved the code just because. :P

Anyway, apparently PHP will read code from any source, even an image file.  The hackers hacked an image file, gave it a header then filled the rest with SQL code.  They then created an account, uploaded the image as their avatar, and when anyone looked at the thread, the code executed.

I'm not sure exactly if it could run with anyone or if an administrator had to view it for the permissions but in any case, it inserted code into the Database, gave someone superadmin, and they were able to do anything they wanted.

So just saying...

On server avatar uploads = Bad.

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inb4 sun is a floodlight.

If it's a floodlight it never sets. If it's a spotlight it goes out while it's still above the horizon. This battle win they can't.

They say stuff like "Bendy light magnifies the light to make it seem like it's bigger and perfectly circular even though it's a tiny sliver of light far away.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Camera to edge of space
« on: June 18, 2010, 02:38:32 PM »
My question is...

If it really is just the "solar spotlight" why can't we see city lights?  You can see the lights along the East Coast of the US and China from Orbit.  And with the "magnification of light" that FET says happens to keep the sun looking round as it moves away, they should be VERY easy to see.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Ninety Percent Pure Faith Globularists
« on: June 18, 2010, 02:36:52 PM »
It's not a claim which admits to easy corroboration for logistical reasons, but nor is it intended as a claim of substantial explanatory power with regard to the rest of zetetic findings - I am merely making an observation about globularist sociology. Since I have discussed the shape of the Earth with an endless stream of globularists over the last 4 years, this ought to be one aspect of my expertise which even Round Earthers can agree to.

I have found in the course of my studies that the overwhelming majority of Round Earth believers have simply been conditioned from birth and have never bothered to properly consider the evidence at hand. I discern that the percentage of globularists I have met to whom this applies to be roughly 90%.

If anyone has a good reason for me to believe that in fact the vast proportion of the rest of globularist humanity (most of whom live in the third world and lack access to equipment and materials by comparison with the Western globularists I have for the most part debated) I would love to hear it. Of course, there is not one.

If I'm understanding James correctly, his argument is that 90% of the population of the world accepts the Spherical nature of the Earth without testing it themselves or feeling the need to test/study it.  It's probably around 75% but all in all not inaccurate.

What he fails to say is that if we doubted everything we're taught from birth, we'd never make any progress.  Imagine if you doubted the chemical makeup of plastic?  You'd have to do experiments on how to make plastic or what it's made of.  Same goes with brushing your teeth.  Does it really help your teeth?  You'd have to do research on that.  Or eating a balanced breakfast.  Or getting vaccines.  Or.... (insert anything).  Even when we go to school we only get a fraction of all the collective knowledge of humanity. 
But we go to school anyway, to learn.  And while questioning what we learn is fine, you should realize that if most of it were false, a lot of things simply wouldn't work.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Denial
« on: June 18, 2010, 02:27:17 PM »
Quote
All set themselves up as a courageous underdogs fighting a corrupt elite engaged in a conspiracy to suppress the truth or foist a malicious lie on ordinary people." (pp 38)

This is more or less how I view FEers.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Devil's advocates
« on: June 18, 2010, 02:23:28 PM »
I think James is a troll and Levee is a believer.

I'm on the fence about James.

Sure he COULD be a troll.  I mean, Sunlight extinguishes Fire?  That goes against every known law of physics, everything we know about Fire and sunlight, and renders all firefighting techniques useless.  Anyone who suggests that has got to be trolling for the strangest, dumbest, most unbelievable thing they could find.

If he isn't a troll, then the only other explination is that he's delusional.  His reality is to reject everything taught in school due to some fear/anger at the world.  It could also be some form of brain annurism or maybe a stroke.  Whatever it is, he's either the best troll ever, or mentally ill and requires help. 

Not that he'll admit or accept either one mind you. 

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: James' Ideas on the Sun and Moon
« on: June 17, 2010, 06:00:37 PM »
I can confidently reveal to you that the force which suspends the iron core of the Moon is that which is known as the Photoelectric Suspension effect.

Haven't we seen this revelation before? Hasn't it been shown that it's hilariously impossible for the moon to be held up by photoelectric suspension? I just have a deja vu feeling.
is he daft?

Yes.  Yes he is.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Devil's advocates
« on: June 17, 2010, 05:59:52 PM »
Pfft.
The Worse James can do is Ban you and that's a blessing.  If you're banned, you won't be dumbed down by his insane dribble.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: A Thought On Original Sin
« on: June 17, 2010, 04:09:43 PM »
Guys, it's very simple:

This is a guilt story.  This story is designed to make us feel guilty about being Human and not following God's rules.  Without guilt, why would we follow religion?


But assuming God is real...

I think that God put that fruit there hoping they'd eat it.  By disobeying God, they show they have their own will.  They show that they are more than mindless servants of God.  And it shows that they are ready to move on into the world and make their own decisions.  We do that to our children.  We coddle them, tell them what to do, where to go, how to dress, ect... but eventually we hope that they make these decisions themselves.  When they do, they can go out into the world and survive without their parents.

Then get tortured for eternity by that parent? 

Well we do tell kids that if they don't behave they'll ruin their lives.  God just thinks bigger.

Big time.  Parents usually aren't the ones exacting punishment on their grown children.

Well God is a prick.  Or someone is lying.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: James' Ideas on the Sun and Moon
« on: June 17, 2010, 04:08:49 PM »
I can confidently reveal to you that the force which suspends the iron core of the Moon is that which is known as the Photoelectric Suspension effect.

Right...
And that wouldn't possibly electrically charge the dirt, causing it to fly off like what happens on Earth....  ::)

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: A Thought On Original Sin
« on: June 17, 2010, 03:47:26 PM »
Guys, it's very simple:

This is a guilt story.  This story is designed to make us feel guilty about being Human and not following God's rules.  Without guilt, why would we follow religion?


But assuming God is real...

I think that God put that fruit there hoping they'd eat it.  By disobeying God, they show they have their own will.  They show that they are more than mindless servants of God.  And it shows that they are ready to move on into the world and make their own decisions.  We do that to our children.  We coddle them, tell them what to do, where to go, how to dress, ect... but eventually we hope that they make these decisions themselves.  When they do, they can go out into the world and survive without their parents.

Then get tortured for eternity by that parent? 

Well we do tell kids that if they don't behave they'll ruin their lives.  God just thinks bigger.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: A Thought On Original Sin
« on: June 17, 2010, 03:15:30 PM »
Guys, it's very simple:

This is a guilt story.  This story is designed to make us feel guilty about being Human and not following God's rules.  Without guilt, why would we follow religion?


But assuming God is real...

I think that God put that fruit there hoping they'd eat it.  By disobeying God, they show they have their own will.  They show that they are more than mindless servants of God.  And it shows that they are ready to move on into the world and make their own decisions.  We do that to our children.  We coddle them, tell them what to do, where to go, how to dress, ect... but eventually we hope that they make these decisions themselves.  When they do, they can go out into the world and survive without their parents.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: James' Ideas on the Sun and Moon
« on: June 17, 2010, 03:06:23 PM »
As a leading Lunar scientist I can confirm that the Moon is indeed shrinking progressively. Our best guess is that this is caused by material sloughing off the Moon and falling to Earth in the form of manna from the sky. In the past this phenomenon had been misattributed to God, however the inevitable march of scientific progress has revealed to us the truth of this matter.

How can it fall off if the moon is suspended above the Earth by some unknown force?

The iron core of the Moon is suspended by a known force, the biomass and loose soil on its surface is not.

How do you know the moon has an Iron core if you've never been there?
And I like your use of KNOWN.  It's like you want people to think you that what you say is common knowledge without actually revealing it.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Devil's advocates
« on: June 17, 2010, 03:01:57 PM »
Look guys, James is delusional, insane, and mentally stable.  Even his fellow Flat Earthers know this.  And what's worse?  NOTHING anyone says will convince James he's wrong.  In his mind he will ALWAYS be right, even if he suddenly says the sky's color is purple and white pokadot.

It's a pity he's mentally stable, otherwise I'd have to have him committed.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How many GENUINE Flat Earthers are there?
« on: June 17, 2010, 02:43:53 PM »
With Summer on the way, you'll have trouble cooking dinner with the curtains open if you really have "missed the memo". Have fun eating your undercooked food!

You've never been to a summer cookout have you?

I think I figured out where your confusion is: you leave the window open on a windy day. That or you don't require oxygen and your home is devoid of it.

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Flat Earth General / Re: How many GENUINE Flat Earthers are there?
« on: June 17, 2010, 05:32:53 AM »
The status of John Davis' mystical conversion experience should not be misappropriated as an avenue for the criticism of Zetetic Science. I can assure you that my own discovery of the Earth's shape was in full conformity with the current and most up-to-date standards of human knowledge, I discovered it through rigorous empirical investigation.

Speaking as a leading scientist, I respect Mr Davis' account of his mystical experience as accurate, and it is not a surprise to my scientific countenance that there may exist some means by which the plain truth may be miraculously revealed to a man, residing either in the consciousness or subconsciousness of the human mind or else in some metaphysical paradigm which defies our understanding at present.

Leading scientist?
You've had papers published?

Didn't you claim that sunlight helps extinguish fire?

Yes, but alas the extinguishment of fire by the sun is not my own discovery, it has been known since time immemorial.

I am one of the most eminent zetetic scientists, I do not wish globularist journals to publish my work as they would surely attempt to sabotage my valuable research. For this reason I am very selective about my distribution.

You know, you really should test that fire extinguishing ability of sunlight.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: James' Ideas on the Sun and Moon
« on: June 17, 2010, 05:06:38 AM »
As a leading Lunar scientist I can confirm that the Moon is indeed shrinking progressively. Our best guess is that this is caused by material sloughing off the Moon and falling to Earth in the form of manna from the sky. In the past this phenomenon had been misattributed to God, however the inevitable march of scientific progress has revealed to us the truth of this matter.

How can it fall off if the moon is suspended above the Earth by some unknown force?

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Flat Earth General / Re: How many GENUINE Flat Earthers are there?
« on: June 17, 2010, 05:04:24 AM »
The status of John Davis' mystical conversion experience should not be misappropriated as an avenue for the criticism of Zetetic Science. I can assure you that my own discovery of the Earth's shape was in full conformity with the current and most up-to-date standards of human knowledge, I discovered it through rigorous empirical investigation.

Speaking as a leading scientist, I respect Mr Davis' account of his mystical experience as accurate, and it is not a surprise to my scientific countenance that there may exist some means by which the plain truth may be miraculously revealed to a man, residing either in the consciousness or subconsciousness of the human mind or else in some metaphysical paradigm which defies our understanding at present.

Leading scientist?
You've had papers published?

Didn't you claim that sunlight helps extinguish fire?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Devil's advocates
« on: June 17, 2010, 05:03:11 AM »
I am a true believer in the shape of the Earth.

As am I.
I believe the Earth has shape.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: About light speed and ether
« on: June 17, 2010, 04:53:16 AM »
The speed of light in a vacuum is constant at 299,792,458 m/s.

In other mediums it slows down.  Personally I think it slows down not because the wave moves slower but because the wave has to move through matter.  Kinda like if you were walking through water.  You can do it, but the same effort you use walking on dry land isn't enough to give you the same speed.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: ITT: We pick apart movies
« on: June 17, 2010, 04:36:25 AM »
Worst film ever?

28 weeks later.

Why?
The military feels the best way to deal with the sudden re-emergence of zombies in London is to take everyone and put them in a dark basement with doors that lock from the inside, not outside, and allow for very easy entry from the outside.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Devil's advocates
« on: June 17, 2010, 04:33:22 AM »
Their admission would be a good start.

You fail to recognize that someone saying they are a Flat Earth Believer proves little as to what they believe.

And it also restricts those who said they didn't believe but may have "converted".

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Oh, how globularist fairytales never cease to make me laugh.
Is that like the fairy tale of the boy who called flat? He kept telling all of his friends that the Earth was flat, and they just laughed him off. Then he kept talking about it and his friends started to become worried about him. Then they finally stopped being friends with him so he found a website online, found other crazy weirdos who believe him, then started doing experiments on how moonlight is harmful and kills plants? That was a wonderful tale. I told it to some five year olds and they were like, "People think the Earth is flat? That's dumb."
What are you doing talking to groups of five year olds  ??? ....
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Anyways, the story of the boy who thought he saw the center of the Milky Way is much more humorous. I'm laughing as I type! Ha-ha! I Laugh Ha-ha!
It's called charity work. Maybe I read to inner city kids who would be out doing drugs and sex if I didn't read to them. You never know Ichi! At least I don't kill plants in my free time.
I never killed plants. The moonlight did. oh man are you giving me the giggles tonight.  Btw I doubt five year olds are having tons of lusty juicy sex.

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Ummm.... your research didn't say ANY plants died.  In fact you stopped it after what?  5 days?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is this how a FE'er treats people?
« on: June 17, 2010, 04:30:36 AM »
You would do it the same way they did it in Untraceable. You steal other IP addresses and servers.

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That's just epic fail right there.

1. You can't steal an IP.  You can assign yourself an IP address but that would require you to break into your ISP and do that THEN find out who owns that IP address and lock them out of it, which usually requires you to go into the router of that particular ISP and alter it's settings. It also doesn't change your MAC address.  You'd have to do that yourself.
You can fake your mac address and spoof the ip.


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2. Even if you posted it on some random person's server, that just means the owner can take it off.  And if you keep posting and posting and posting then the police can use the IP logs to find you.  How?  Let me explain....

TOR allows you to hide your IP by encrypting the data packets and sending them to a proxy, which then encrypts them again and sends it to another proxy, repeating X number of times.
Now, because of how the internet works there are two near guarantees.
Use a free server that doesn't check.


Mac addresses are very easy to fake.

2. Yeah... until the police knock on the owner's door.

If it is somewhere like in North Korea then the police cannot do anything.



Point.


You use a throw away usb wireless card and wardrive.

That makes you pretty much impossible to find.

And use someone's bandwidth... Yeah but that would require you to travel far enough out of your geographic area to ensure that you can't be linked.  Remember, the number of people here isn't large enough to have multiple members in the same general area. 
Again, everyone here would be a suspect, all the police needs to do is narrow down the list.


And I'm wondering why the mods haven't warned us for going WAY off topic here in the upper forums.

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The Lounge / Re: A new high
« on: June 17, 2010, 04:26:08 AM »
I was an extremely nooby noob when I first joined.  It's true that I didn't lurk much, as I just had to respond as soon as I started reading some of the ideas being thrown around.  To my credit, though, I did read the FAQ. 

How did you go from a Champion of RET to Flat Earth Theorist/Planar Moderator ?

The same way it has with everyone else who made that leap, I guess.  It very quickly became apparent to me that on average the FEers were very much the more intelligent group than the REers.  They were having all the fun, so over time I became one of them.

It actually started with a masterful bit of trolling where I claimed that the FEers had converted me.  I switched my name from Roundy to Flatty and started acting like I idolized Tom Bishop.  The only reason my name is still Roundy, really, is that Gayer likes it.

It's going to happen to you too, you know.  I already see it starting.

Awww, you're calling me intelligent. :)

But yes, there are many intelligent people here.  But there are many intelligent people who believe in God and Creationism too.  And then there's people who have a vast knowledge (or appear to) of history like Levee and 17 November yet make conclusions that contradict logic, reasoning, and established facts.  Just because you're intelligent doesn't mean you see clearly.  Take Ichi: He knows a great deal about plants.  One may see him as intelligent yet his experiment's conclusion is invalid simply because he doesn't have the data to support it.  He can support the growth of that specific cell but not the associated harm. 
Seeing patterns which aren't there is something intelligent people excel at, in my experience.  The more you know, the more possibilities exist to explain something when you have limited data at your disposal.  I know I see patterns all the time that simply don't exist but for me, I'm able to determine which ones make sense and which ones are paranoid thoughts; a trait that has kept me sane for many years.

So yes, there are intelligent people on the FE side, but they are biased and lack critical thinking skills.


But perhaps I will troll for FE.. for a while.  Learn what I can of trolling.
Or maybe I'll keep the charade, gain their trust, rise up in their ranks and, when they least expect it, stab them all in the back, seize power, and crush the Flat Earth Society from the inside!  BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

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The Lounge / Re: A new high
« on: June 16, 2010, 07:25:38 PM »
I was an extremely nooby noob when I first joined.  It's true that I didn't lurk much, as I just had to respond as soon as I started reading some of the ideas being thrown around.  To my credit, though, I did read the FAQ. 

How did you go from a Champion of RET to Flat Earth Theorist/Planar Moderator ?

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Back to the sex ed stuff...

I went to an all male private catholic school in one of the southern states and they taught us to use condoms.  You may understand why I find it odd that other schools in other places teach abstinence only.

Some states demand Abstinence Only. Like Texas. Heck, Bush made a bill for groups to go into Africa and teach them abstinence as a way to control the spread of AIDS.

What a succesful campaign. South Africa is now the AIDS capitol of the world

Abstinence classes cause AIDS?

When did I say that?

You didn't. Just an idea I had that I believe needs further testing.

Well....

Teachers are authority figures.
Teenagers do like to do the opposite of whatever authority figures tell them.
Therefore:
Abstinence only teaching can cause an increase in AIDS.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is this how a FE'er treats people?
« on: June 16, 2010, 06:48:38 PM »
You would do it the same way they did it in Untraceable. You steal other IP addresses and servers.

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That's just epic fail right there.

1. You can't steal an IP.  You can assign yourself an IP address but that would require you to break into your ISP and do that THEN find out who owns that IP address and lock them out of it, which usually requires you to go into the router of that particular ISP and alter it's settings. It also doesn't change your MAC address.  You'd have to do that yourself.
You can fake your mac address and spoof the ip.


Quote
2. Even if you posted it on some random person's server, that just means the owner can take it off.  And if you keep posting and posting and posting then the police can use the IP logs to find you.  How?  Let me explain....

TOR allows you to hide your IP by encrypting the data packets and sending them to a proxy, which then encrypts them again and sends it to another proxy, repeating X number of times.
Now, because of how the internet works there are two near guarantees.
Use a free server that doesn't check.


Mac addresses are very easy to fake.

1. Yes you can but the packets gotta go somewhere and they have to be FROM somewhere.  Even if you spoof your MAC and IP, that just makes you harder to find, not impossible.
2. Yeah... until the police knock on the owner's door.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: ITT: We pick apart movies
« on: June 16, 2010, 06:45:23 PM »
Titanic needs more explosions.  :P

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The Lounge / Re: A new high
« on: June 16, 2010, 06:44:07 PM »
Roundy, to celebrate this grand event, you should find your very first post and quote it in this thread.

I'll post his second!

I love the assertion that REers have to explain  "how the Earth got to be the size it is, and how it got flatteny round". ::)  My guess is he was raised in a Christian Science household (or something) and has never even opened a science textbook, where such explanations can be found quite easily.

For FEers:  How do you explain the fact that wherever we look, we see a curved horizon?  The fact is, if the earth was flat, we would be able to look in any direction that's not blocked by some kind of obstruction and see forever.  There would be no horizon.  But there is.  Which is the first proof that we had (thousands of years ago, when it was first stated) that the Earth is round.  The only rational explanation for a horizon is a curved surface.

But FEers like to ignore facts in favor of outlandish fantasy, don't they?  They are the flesh-and-blood embodiment of Stephen Colbert's "truthiness".

If somebody had told me yesterday that there were still people who believed that the earth was flat, I would have said "No fucking way.  I don't believe that.  Nobody's that stupid."  Now there's a whole group of them on the internet? :D

Everyone was once a naive noob at some point or another.
Not if you practice the art of "Lurk Moar"

There is only one way to not be a noob...

Watch this movie!

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