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The Lounge / Swearing: not allowed in Angry Ranting??
« on: January 11, 2019, 01:19:27 PM »
What's the deal with no swearing? I understand in the normal boards, but not in Angry Ranting? How's a person supposed to Angrily Rant using euphemisms?  :-\

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The Lounge / Re: Who are the active OGs?
« on: January 11, 2019, 01:17:05 PM »
Wow! OGs in the house!

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Flat Earth General / SpaceX's new Starhopper
« on: January 11, 2019, 01:04:20 PM »
SpaceX has built the first part of their new family of rockets, the Starhopper.

Elon Musk on Twitter:
Quote from: @elonmusk
Starship test flight rocket just finished assembly at the @SpaceX Texas launch site. This is an actual picture, not a rendering.

The Starhopper is the test vehicle akin to the Starship which will be the 2nd stage vehicle.

Much like the earlier Grasshopper*, the Starhopper will do short vertical flights in order to hone the landing technology for the next-gen rockets.

There is a lot riding on the development of the Starship, as it is promised to be the spaceship that will carry out the #DearMoon mission slated for the year 2023. You may recall a previous moon mission scheduled for 2018 that came and went without a peep from SpaceX as to why it was canceled. The 2 private citizens who were supposed to make the journey were never revealed and the trip was to be carried out on a Crew Dragon and a Falcon Heavy. The DearMoon mission, however, has been anything but hush-hush. The paying individual, Yusaku Maezawa, has said he will bring along 7 artists from various fields along with him.

Humans have yet to fly on any SpaceX rockets but 2019 is supposed to be the year. Astronauts are hoping to fly on a Crew Dragon lifted by a Falcon 9, with the first demonstration (uncrewed) happening early this year, possibly February.

*Grasshopper video

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The Lounge / Who are the active OGs?
« on: January 11, 2019, 12:20:32 PM »
Post your join year.

2010

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What, Sandokhan? Can't reply if you don't have a website to copy and paste from??

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What do we see in all videos from high up? We see blackness. We see earth, bright and colorful below and then we see blackness. A sky that is void of color and stars.

Nothingness. We've left the earth, the earth is below us. The entire earth is below us, but yet how much of it do we see?

We should see for miles and miles, right? We should see to the edge of the earth or at least to all the spots that the sun is lighting up.

If we went up to the edge of space at dawn or dusk, we'd see the edge of night but in the direction of the sun, we'd see a massive expanse of earth. We'd see so much in one direction but yet so little in another.

This is entirely not the case.

Every single time, something goes up to the edge of space we see the same mediocre distance in every direction. No new vast expanses under the sun, no views across oceans. We just kind of see a little bit farther. We see the next county over, or a little mountain that we know about. In fact, everything looks pretty mediocre. It's like the vastness of Earth is too much and getting up that high doesn't even give us a view of the whole thing.

But what looks the same in every direction? No matter what angle you look at it. A sphere.

This is 100x more important than looking for a curve. Do we see farther in one direction than another? Do we see everything under the sun? Because on a flat earth we definitely should. No, we see earth, black, sun. Lots of black between the earth and the sun and this does not make any sense in a flat earth world view.

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Flat Earth General / Re: I Made a 1:1 Scale Model of flat earth
« on: July 16, 2017, 07:26:29 PM »
Because I've stood on a mountain and watched the sunset after it set for my friend who was on the beach and closer to the sun.

Really?  :) Which mountain?
I'd prefer to not give my location away. Why does it matter which mountain? I live in Alaska if you care to know. Lots of mountains, lots of ocean.
How do you know it's round?

Because I've stood on a mountain and watched the sunset after it set for my friend who was on the beach and closer to the sun.

That's quite a leap of logic to be fair.

A more correct statement might have been, "I know the sun sets at different times in different places and elevations because I have observed it."

The dubai elevator is pretty neat but it sure doesn't "prove" earth shape.

A convex flat earth (not spherical) could give us the same result.
Please enlighten us all and show us how a sunset would work on a convex or flat earth.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Where does the sun go at night?
« on: July 16, 2017, 07:17:38 PM »
Or why can we see the sun across the whole world in one scenario, but fail to see it at a much shorter distance in another?

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Flat Earth General / Re: I Made a 1:1 Scale Model of flat earth
« on: June 16, 2017, 09:59:27 PM »
I really really like this method of sharing ideas. 3D modeling is something Rowbotham and his colleagues would've LOVED to have at their disposal. I, too, enjoy 3D modeling and am happy to see another person doing this.

You never showed in the video what a sunset would look like for an observer. We saw some places were lit and some weren't, but there was no reason in the model that someone wouldn't see the sun.

This is how the earth is normally lit up
 

And notice this paradox. This is comparing the sun at different times of the year. In Antarctica's summer months an observer can still see the sun even though it is directly overhead of Australia. However, when it is much much closer and over the Caribbean in the summer months of the northern part of earth, an observer in Antarctica cannot see it.

If you doubt this webcams can be used to prove it.

Can you work this into your 3D model?

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Flat Earth General / Re: I Made a 1:1 Scale Model of flat earth
« on: June 16, 2017, 09:47:27 PM »
How do you know it's round?

Because I've stood on a mountain and watched the sunset after it set for my friend who was on the beach and closer to the sun.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Alaskan Resources
« on: June 05, 2017, 10:41:57 PM »
Welcome to my neck of the woods!! Enjoy Alaska! I would give advice but I think it's too late.


Appreciate it all. My one day in Anchorage coincided with first Friday which meant admission to the Anchorage Museum (usually about $30) for free. I also stopped by the University of Alaska in Anchorage bookstore. I was pleased with the concern for and information about indigenous Alaskans at these places and purchased some resources about them at the university.

By contrast, I visited the U.S. Navy's Undersea Warfare Museum near Seattle the following day (I drove to & flew from Seattle as the round trip tickets were only $130 total), a museum devoted to submarines as I used to do that when I was in the Navy. This spirit of this museum was void and shallow compared to those with the indigenous peoples' themes. Well, the military which that museum is all about is dedicated to destroying, killing, suppressing, and exploiting peoples like that. It is a museum for colonialism which is hideous which is why it is not so informative about military history with a few rare exceptions like WWII.

I perceive that some states are better than others about these things.
I like your understanding! We would get along :) I hope your visit to Alaska was nice. I have not been to Homer. I really need to go sometime.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Very public viewing of rocket landing
« on: June 05, 2017, 10:39:54 PM »
Thanks, Cenas for the videos you posted.

In response to the length of the video I posted: you're right, it's short, seems as though they were just some amateurs recording  ::)

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Flat Earth General / Re: Very public viewing of rocket landing
« on: June 04, 2017, 02:33:04 PM »
I mean, I think FEers object more to the question of where the rockets go, than whether they exist.
Lurk moar

EDIT: I'm jk. I had to look at each of our sign-up dates before I wrote that and I was laughing to myself. But on a serious note, there are some very vocal flat-earthers that think the entire thing is a David Copperfield (or G.O.B.) magic trick.

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So how far do you think we can see through the atmosphere? Shall I (re)post my pictures of seeing the Fairweather mountains from 150+ miles away?

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Flat Earth General / Very public viewing of rocket landing
« on: June 03, 2017, 10:35:07 PM »
You are going to have to accept the fact that these rockets are landing. You don't deny airplanes landing and soon rocket landings will be normal.


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Flat Earth General / Re: Alaskan Resources
« on: June 03, 2017, 06:19:59 PM »
Welcome to my neck of the woods!! Enjoy Alaska! I would give advice but I think it's too late.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: WTF was that!!??
« on: May 13, 2017, 08:05:41 PM »
Negative space. Literally the least interesting thing possible.

Oh?



If you cropped out everything of the sun video that wasn't the negative space I was talking about, it would be a lot less interesting than the paint video.

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They are not doing any real damage. The only ones to blame for hindering the progress of science are ourselves, by wasting our time here we are not putting our efforts in the places they are truly needed.

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Bering Strait theory can suck it
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/04/unknown-humans-were-in-california-130000-years-ago-say-scientists/
Genetically the former is unlikely, because we are too closely related.

Who is too closely related??

Native Alaskans have similarities to Asians while Plains NDNs (native americans) are genetically much more distant.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were many migrations. My reason for saying "suck it" is that the belief that modern humans just came over 12,000-15,000 years ago and just scattered all over. When actually, it seems more likely ancient humans were here for a long time.

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Arts & Entertainment / Re: WTF was that!!??
« on: May 06, 2017, 12:11:31 AM »
Negative space. Literally the least interesting thing possible.

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Space Cowgirl

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I don't get why every time the scientific consensus is challenged, there are so many flatties who go "ROAR!!! EAT SHIT MAINSTREAM SCIENCE!!! YOU'RE GOING DOWN!!!". I mean, that's just how science is supposed to work...

That being said, it will probably take harder evidence than this linguistic proposal and an isolated find about mastodon bones to actually shift the consensus. Not to say that it's highly unlikely to happen, I'd be pretty excited to see that.

The linguistic evidence is absolutely strong. You think the native americans developed all those languages in just a few thousand years? Also many native Americans look a lot different. Some don't look asian at all and some do, particularly the native alaskans. But there's still no resemblence to asian languages.

The mutations that take place to make a people look different take a freaking long time.

Sidenote: it is believed that the writer for Star Trek show's Klingon language based it on the Native Alaskan Tlingit language.



psst, flatorange is not FE.

I like how I throw people off though

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I was expecting something more exciting than "they've been here longer than we thought." It's not in dispute that Native Americans came from Asia, probably across the Bering Strait, just when it happened.

It is in dispute, there was a proposed theory of back-migration. That it's the other way around.

Also one argument is that the Natives have always been there

Have always been there? As in it was specifically a different speciation event from what I presume are the New World Monkeys that gave rise to the natives as opposed to them coming out of Africa from the Old World Monkeys like the rest of us? Because if that's the claim, it's outlandish and ridiculous.
How is that ridiculous? Maybe the world isn't as it appears in your mind.

Maybe we live in a simulation and the game-maker put different types of humans in different spots. Have you considered that??

P.S. dug this up because of this https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/04/unknown-humans-were-in-california-130000-years-ago-say-scientists/

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Flat Earth General / Re: My bet is nearly 5 years old
« on: April 05, 2017, 10:30:50 AM »
In 2012 I said
Quote
I bet in 10 years:

Round Earthers will have colonized Mars.....Never going to happen on something that does not exist as a planet.
Round Earthers will have people flying in space with a commercial company...Never going to happen, ever, because space does not exist as we have been told.
Round Earthers will have set foot again on the moon....There will never be any AGAIN because there was never a foot stepped onto the moon, because the moon does not exist as a solid ball like we are told.

I bet in 10 years:

Flat Earthers will not have a map that works.....The maps work now as flat. It's when you make them into a globe that the problems arise.
Flat Earthers will not have any pictures from high up that shows what the Earth looks like....In it's entirety, I agree, because we can only go up so high before thin air/low pressure causes us serious problems as well as any craft we try to place higher up. You'll certainly never see a globe like the bullshit one that was supposedly shown through a silly cupola on a supposed space station that would have literally been half an inch from a beach ball on a supposed scale and yet here we are shown a full globe.  ;D
Flat Earthers will still refer to ENAG...No matter which way it's debated or looked into, Earth is absolutely not a globe that we live on.
Which side is making the most progress?............Flat Earth coupled with alternate thinking on models that closely resemble a flattish Earth is making massive progress.
(colonized Mars in 2022... WOW).......I'd say it was more shit from the enema that is spewed out by those jokers who sell people like you the stories. That's about as close as you'll get to seeing a colonisation.
Your bet is looking likely to fail by 100%

You still don't have a global map that works.
They can't seem to track commercial airliners on many parts of your globe and yet it's supposedly mapped to all hell with satellites.
And you think you're going to colonise mars?  ;D
Have you not used Google Earth? What are its problems?

Show me a flat map of the earth that works. This should be so easy if the earth were flat.

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Flat Earth General / Re: My bet is nearly 5 years old
« on: April 04, 2017, 06:43:44 PM »
I'll take that bet, by 2022 we will not have a permanent Mars colony or commercial space flights for civilians.
Awesome. I agree with you on half of it, but I'll take the bet for the other half.

2022 for Mars colony was a bit off. :)

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My name is simply a message to the sheeple to wake up and see the lies NASA is feeding everyone. Oranges are flat.
Look at the proof.

WHERE IS THE CURVE???

And this is the propaganda NASA spreads

But if you were woke, you'd know this is the sunlit portion of a disc orange.


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Flat Earth General / My bet is nearly 5 years old
« on: April 04, 2017, 06:26:40 PM »
In 2012 I said
Quote
I bet in 10 years:

Round Earthers will have colonized Mars
Round Earthers will have people flying in space with a commercial company
Round Earthers will have set foot again on the moon

I bet in 10 years:

Flat Earthers will not have a map that works
Flat Earthers will not have any pictures from high up that shows what the Earth looks like
Flat Earthers will still refer to ENAG
Which side is making the most progress?
(colonized Mars in 2022... WOW)

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Flat Earth General / Re: Collection of dates for significant events
« on: April 04, 2017, 05:23:39 PM »
New list as of April 2016 (updated September 2016)

Now to 6 months:
April and May 2016
The next two SpaceX launches will be ocean-landings, and the following one will be RTLS - Return To Launch Site.This was mostly correct, the next 2 were successful ocean landings, however, there was a 3rd unsuccessful ocean-landing before the RTLS successful landing.
Summer 2016
SpaceX will begin testing their new Raptor engine
They did, indeed Raptor video with audio
September 26-30 2016
At the International Astronautical Congress this year, Elon Musk is expected to reveal SpaceX's plans for Mars colonization. It's rumored that it will make NASA's #JourneyToMars look like child's play. http://www.iac2016.org/
Han Solo: It's true. All of it. Mars Video

6 months to a year:Now to a year
November 2016Delayed till early 2017
Falcon Heavy Launch Demo. Pushed back from May (as noted in this thread).
2017
The first Crew Dragon. A commercial company sending people to space will be a first. This will mark a return to human spaceflight from USA.

1 to 3 years
2018
SpaceX to send Dragon 2 to Mars
Blue Origin plans on sending its first customers to space.
JWST - James Webb Space Telescope
Updated April 2017

Now to 6 months:
Falcon Heavy launch demo - this has repeatedly been delayed but I strongly feel that the Falcon 9 accidents (search facebook satellite explosion) are behind them. Falcon Heavy late summer 2017 or I'll [removed] (chuckle chuckle... jk).

6 months to a year:

Another one that's been delayed more than once: The first Crew Dragon. A commercial company sending people to space will be a first. This will mark a return to human spaceflight from USA.

1 to 3 years
2018
SpaceX to send Dragon 2 to Mars Moon. Originally Mars was the goal but what happens when you get a couple of rich people to fork over millions and millions of dollars? Well, goals change. This will still be very exciting.

Blue Origin plans on sending its first customers to space.
JWST - James Webb Space Telescope - something I've been looking forward to for years.
3 to 5 years
2020 is SpaceX's next shot at sending a Dragon to Mars. That's 3 years away.
2022 was their original goal for sending cargo there. WOW. Can't wait to see how this unfolds.

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24:24  Why did she need to point out that Planet Earth is a sphere?  Just kinda caught my attention the way she said it.  Also does anyone know what is up with the rocket on the right?  It seems to have two cameras on and I'm trying to make sense of where they are placed and how the earth is shaped.  Just doesn't make any sense.  Looks like two different rockets also.
She's talking about why they lose the feed. As the rocket is coming back down, the line-of-sight is now beyond the horizon and they lose connection with it.

What looks like two different rockets? The one that lands on the ship vs. the one that went up? It's been through a lot.

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