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Flat Earth General / SpaceX predicting a crash-landing on drone ship today

« on: February 24, 2016, 02:59:19 PM »

http://www.spacex.com/sites/spacex/files/spacex_ses9_press_kit_final.pdf

So... should I give up hope too??

I'm still holding out.

http://www.spacex.com/webcast

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Flat Earth General / SpaceX this Sunday, any predictions?

« on: January 13, 2016, 09:26:58 PM »

As you may know, a few people got their panties in a bunch over me saying tune in for the successful landing. Time for more predictions to give papa legba a stroke.

I was already wrong on one thing. I said they will be doing land landings from here on, however, they said to preserve propellant and due to the high speed, landing on the ocean is necessary.

So i will say, prepare for the first successful barge landing. If i were superstitious i would not be saying this.

Go watch it if you're close to the pacific ocean and know where to go.

Sunday, 10:42 AM pacific time.

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Flat Earth General / Tune in for SpaceX's return to flight and first landing success

« on: December 21, 2015, 05:05:36 PM »

http://www.spacex.com/webcast/

An historic event. (always wanted to say "an historic")

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Flat Earth General / List of members willing to bend over and take it for the conspiracy

« on: November 29, 2015, 09:26:14 PM »

Apathy will get your movement nowhere.

Legion

http://www.wired.com/2009/12/a-spacewalk-as-seen-from-earth/

Who knows and who cares?

Give me more quotes and members

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Flat Earth Q&A / What's the size of Mars?

« on: November 16, 2015, 04:33:14 PM »

I'm curious. Did Rowbotham do the math? Has any flat-earther done the math?

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Flat Earth General / FE General "Conspiracy Topics belong here" NSA and Snowden article

« on: November 13, 2015, 07:07:14 PM »

This is a great read

Some excerpts:

You’ve said that if it hadn’t been for Thomas Drake…
– …there couldn’t be an Edward Snowden. He followed every rule when he tried to raise the alarm. We see this in game theory, in sociological studies. Basically, each time you play a round of a game, people learn a little bit about it. They change their strategy and respond to it, so the way people play round ten is very different from round one.
And you learned from Drake…
– And even from Manning. I learned a lot from how the government responded. What happens when you’re required to report violations of a law to those who ordered those violations of the law?

Was it the mass surveillance or the lies about it that upset you the most?
– In early 2013, when I still had the chance to change my mind, I saw James Clapper (Director of National Intelligence) raise his hand and swear to tell the truth: ”Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?” ”No sir.” “It does not?” “Not wittingly.”
– Telling a lie under those circumstances is a felony.
The year before, Congress had questioned NSA Director Keith Alexander. His answers were the same. Does the NSA routinely intercept American citizens’ emails? No. Does the NSA intercept Americans’ cell phone conversations? No. Google searches? No. Text messages? No. Amazon.com orders? No. Bank records? No.
Edward Snowden not only knew they were lying, but also that the scope was much larger than anyone could imagine. During a 30 day period, the NSA intercepted more than three billion individual conversations just from American communication systems. 97 billion emails and 124 billion phone calls worldwide, in just one month’s time.
At his own desk, Edward Snowden could listen in on anyone – ordinary people, someone’s accountant, a federal judge – as long as he had a private email address.
– Being a whistleblower is not about who you are; it’s about what you’ve seen. Whistleblowers are elected by circumstance, anybody can do it. It’s about people who watch, who think, and who eventually respond. And it takes a number of years. When I first saw things, I really didn’t believe them. I grew up in the shadow of the NSA, my mother worked for the federal government, my father and my grandfather worked for the military. I couldn’t believe the government would lie to us. But eventually the evidence becomes so great that you can’t ignore it.

http://fokus.dn.se/edward-snowden-english/

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Flat Earth General / Collection of dates for significant events

« on: November 12, 2015, 08:37:19 PM »

See my latest post on this thread for the updated list (April 2017)
New list as of April 2016 (updated September 2016)

Now to 6 months:

• April and May 2016
  The next two SpaceX launches will be ocean-landings, and the following one will be RTLS - Return To Launch Site.This was mostly correct, the next 2 were successful ocean landings, however, there was a 3rd unsuccessful ocean-landing before the RTLS successful landing.
• Summer 2016
  SpaceX will begin testing their new Raptor engine

They did, indeed Raptor video with audio

• September 26-30 2016
  At the International Astronautical Congress this year, Elon Musk is expected to reveal SpaceX's plans for Mars colonization. It's rumored that it will make NASA's #JourneyToMars look like child's play. http://www.iac2016.org/

Han Solo: It's true. All of it. Mars Video

6 months to a year:Now to a year

• November 2016Delayed till early 2017
  Falcon Heavy Launch Demo. Pushed back from May (as noted in this thread).
  
• 2017
  The first Crew Dragon. A commercial company sending people to space will be a first. This will mark a return to human spaceflight from USA.
  

1 to 3 years

• 2018
  
  • SpaceX to send Dragon 2 to Mars
    
  • Blue Origin plans on sending its first customers to space.
    
  • JWST - James Webb Space Telescope
    

3 to 5 years
I'll add stuff here after September 2016 Adding stuff now
In 2019 SpaceX will have landed a Red Dragon on the surface of Mars and will be getting ready to send another one. By 2020 They'll have made significant progress on the Interplanetary Transport System, probably having the ship and booster built and ready for testing. And I'm guessing, late 2021 there will be much in the news about what is being sent on the first colonization cargo to Mars.


Previously edited November 13, 2015:

First posted in April 2014. Let's see how things are coming along

Quote from 1 1/2 years ago post

6 months to a year: The upcoming deadline of Richard Branson flying his family up to space is December 2014.
1 to 3 years: Launch of DSCOVR - "early fiscal year 2015" This satellite will sit in L1. The point in between the sun and the Earth where gravity is nullified.  It will be constantly viewing the sunlit half of the Earth.  Should be interesting for future debates and beautiful real-time pictures and footage.

Updated list:

• December 2014: Richard Branson flying his family up to space Pilot died flying one of the spaceships so jeopardized the future of Virgin Galactic
• Within the last year: DSCOVR launched on a SpaceX rocket, made it to L₁ in the summer and went 'online' with daily photos this fall. epic.gsfc.nasa.gov
• Now to 6 months: SpaceX will again start launching rockets in December '15 following their June 28th rocket failure. They should be trying again to land rockets vertical. Watching what SpaceX does will be key because they have intentions of making it to Mars within the next 15 years but haven't shared timeline expectations as much as Mars One has.
• 6 months to a year: Anything special I don't know about? I predict SpaceX will be landing rockets on land within the next year. Edit: thanks to MaNaeSWolf, May 2016, Falcon Heavy Launched - The largest rocket to go into space since the Saturn V -  and if they can get re-usability right, will lower the cost of access to space significantly. Will have double the lifting capacity of the retired space shuttle.
• 1 to 3 years: Launch of James Webb Space Telescope, October 2018. This is the successor to the Hubble Telescope. It will sit in L₂, on the other side of Earth... the cold dark side. Always in the shadow of Earth.  I'm not sure how it relates to a Flat Earth but it should be cool. They recently discovered a planet 30 LY away. It may be the closest one by the time JWST gets up there and we might be able to tell if it has an atmosphere and its makeup.
• 3 to 5 years: Mars One first unmanned mission to Mars: 2020 (what's the new term that's replacing "unmanned"?). They've already pushed it back 2 years for the unmanned mission if my memory serves correctly.
• 5 to 10 years: Mars One will establish the first human settlement on Mars in 2023¹ Pushed back almost almost 4 years.
• 10 to 20 years: [Mars One] Crews will depart for their one-way journey to Mars starting in 2026² This is what I wrote in April '14: If the Earth is flat I think that we could agree that Mars would be really small.  We'll see if they're surprised when they land on Mars that it's really small. Edit: thanks to MaNaeSWolf, Musk predicts SpaceX will journey towards Mars in 2026.

Any other dates of significant events?

¹: Quoted from http://www.mars-one.com/ in April 2014
²: Quoted from http://www.mars-one.com/ in November 2015[/list]

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Flat Earth General / Crack forms in the Earth in Wyoming - Is this the end?

« on: November 03, 2015, 11:20:41 PM »

If I was a flat-earther this would certainly be the end. The disc of the Earth is succumbing to the enormous pressure of the Aetheric Winds and the Upwards Acceleration.
http://www.ktvq.com/story/30386493/giant-crack-appears-in-the-earth-near-wyomings-big-horn-mountains

Repent.

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Flat Earth General / The proof is in the panoramas

« on: October 29, 2015, 09:57:18 AM »

Fan-made collage of photos from the apollo missions https://vimeo.com/141812811

source of photos https://www.flickr.com/photos/projectapolloarchive/albums

The panoramas are the best and you can't refute their authenticity that they are not in a movie studio.

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Flat Earth General / Full earth daily images pipeline now online

« on: October 23, 2015, 03:53:53 AM »

I think it takes a day to process them but this is pretty much a round earth win

http://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov

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The Lounge / Studio C on youtube

« on: October 07, 2015, 08:13:13 PM »

Hey Mikeman, have you seen this? This one reminded me of you, haha.

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The Lounge / Sleepers awake!

« on: September 06, 2015, 05:37:42 PM »

Wake up sceptimatic!  Look at the world around you!

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Flat Earth General / A flight and view above the ISS

« on: September 04, 2015, 06:50:45 PM »

It's not often you get to see the ISS from another spacecraft! This event was captured from two perspectives.  Lots of $$$ for something you wouldn't even know about if it wasn't for me.

Expedition 44 Commander Gennady Padalka of the Russian Federal Space Agency (Roscosmos), NASA Flight Engineer Scott Kelly and Flight Engineer Mikhail Kornienko of Roscosmos donned their Sokol launch and entry suits, climbed aboard the Soyuz TMA-16M spacecraft and undocked from the Poisk module on the Earth-facing side of the Russian segment of the International Space Station Aug. 28 for a brief flyover and redocking to the aft port of the Zvezda Service Module. The relocation of the TMA-16M spacecraft was required to clear the Poisk docking port for the arrival of a new Soyuz spacecraft --- the TMA-18M --- on Sept. 4.
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My crewmates Gennady Padalka and Mikhail (Misha) Kornienko and I took a road trip of sorts from the International Space Station after a little more than five months of our stay. We left our orbital home for a 20-minute get away to move our spacecraft. We undocked our Soyuz that brought us to the space station back in late March from the Poisk module of the International Space Station, and we reparked it at the orbiting laboratory’s Zvezda service module where it now resides.

Moving the Soyuz spacecraft cleared the Poisk module for the arrival of our new Expedition 45 crew member Sergei Volkov, and visiting crew members Andreas (Andy) Mogensen and Aidyn Aimbetov.

It's the first time in nearly two years since nine crew members are aboard the station simultaneously. It's a full house.

Andy and Aidyn, a Kazakh cosmonaut I just met for the first time, will return to Earth with Padalka in about a week on Sept. 12.

Misha and I will stay for the remainder of a year and return to Earth - March 2016 - on the newly arrived Soyuz.

Like most vacations, it wasn't long enough and I returned tired.

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Flat Earth General / For anyone who says we always see the same picture of Earth

« on: September 01, 2015, 10:35:37 AM »

Much like that guy, Math Boylan.









Round-earthers don't get to have a FAQ on this site, so this is like a thread just for having on hand when someone claims you always see the one picture of Earth from the 60's. You can see the terminator cross from the East side of North America all the way to the Pacific, so it's clear to see they are different pictures.  These are all from July 16, 1969.

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Flat Earth General / Have you seen the first drawing from space? Comes from a Russian

« on: August 31, 2015, 01:12:01 PM »

The first artwork created in space, a small yet remarkable view of a sunrise drawn as Alexei Leonov was hurtled around Earth on board a tiny Voskhod 2 spacecraft, is to leave Russia for the first time.

Leonov’s coloured pencil drawing will be among 150 artefacts going on display at the Science Museum in London when it opens a major exhibition on cosmonauts later this month.

Leonov was awarded a Hero of the Soviet Union distinction after becoming the first person to walk in space in 1965. On the same mission, Leonov, an enthusiastic and talented artist, drew the view of the sunrise. Given his circumstances, it was astonishing.


Read more...

Should we hold a ruler to the horizon? What do you think, fish-eye lens? 

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Flat Earth General / It's 2015 and you aren't even close to owning a flat earth map

« on: August 31, 2015, 12:14:26 AM »

Is it just me or is this far more pathetic than the round earthers not owning a spaceship?

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Flat Earth General / ESA made an interactive panoramic tour of ISS

« on: August 30, 2015, 01:24:35 PM »

This is an interactive panoramic tour of the International Space Station brought to you by the European Space Agency. I love how all the countries of the world come together to support the great American lie.

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Human_Spaceflight/International_Space_Station/Highlights/International_Space_Station_panoramic_tour

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Flat Earth General / Tunguska Event - For Sandokhan

« on: August 29, 2015, 04:27:25 PM »

http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/06/mystery-solved-meteorite-caused-tunguska-devastation/



On the morning of June 30, 1908, a gigantic fireball devastated hundreds of square kilometers of uninhabited Siberian forest around the Tunguska River. The first scientists to investigate the impact site expected to find a meteorite, but they found nothing. Because no traces of a meteorite were found, many scientists concluded that the culprit was a comet. Comets, which are essentially muddy ice balls, could cause such a devastation and leave no trace.

But now, 105 years later, scientists have revealed that the Tunguska devastation was indeed caused by a meteorite. A group of Ukrainian, German, and American scientists have identified its microscopic remains. Why it took them so many years makes for a fascinating tale about the limits of science and how we are pushing them.

Big ball of fire

Eyewitness reports of the Tunguska event help paint a partial picture. As the fireball streaked across the sky, a blast of heat scorched everything in its wake, to be followed by a shock wave that threw people off their feet and stripped leaves and branches from trees, laying a large forest flat. Photos reveal the extent and force of the impact, showing trees that look like bare telegraph poles, all pointing away from the impact site.

The inability to find any meteorite, however, led to a century of speculation on the origins of the blast. The Tunguska event has spawned a wealth of science fiction that has fed outrageous theories. But the main question has remained: what was it?

An icy comet would evaporate on impact, which could explain the lack of any observable evidence. But a study in the journal Planetary and Space Science provides, for the first time, evidence that the impact was not caused by a comet. Researchers collected microscopic fragments recovered from a layer of partially decayed vegetation (peat) that dates from that extraordinary summer.

Victor Kvasnytsya from the National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine and his colleagues used the latest imaging and spectroscopy techniques to identify aggregates of carbon minerals—diamond, lonsdaleite, and graphite. Lonsdaleite in particular is known to form when carbon-rich material is suddenly exposed to a shock wave created by an explosion, such as that of a meteorite hitting Earth. The lonsdaleite fragments contain even smaller inclusions of iron sulphides and iron-nickel alloys, troilite and taenite, which are characteristic minerals found in space-based objects such as meteorites. The precise combination of minerals in these fragments point to a meteorite source. It is near-identical to similar minerals found in an Arizona impact.

The samples point to one thing: the Tunguska impact is the largest meteorite impact in recorded history. US researchers have estimated that the Tunguska blast could have been as much as the equivalent of a five megaton TNT explosion—hundreds of times more powerful than the Hiroshima blast. The meteorite tore apart as it entered the atmosphere at an angle, so that little of it reached the ground intact. That is why all that remains are such small specks that have been fossilised in the Siberian peat.

2013 meteorite impact

We can compare the Tunguska event with the fireball seen during the impact of the Chelyabinsk meteor earlier this year. Although much less powerful than Tunguska, the Chelyabinsk event was similar. A low-angle approach broke up the body, leaving fragments that were found over the vast expanse of Eurasia. More than 1,000 people were injured, some drawn to windows by the flash of the fireball and then hit by the shock wave that followed.

The Tunguska devastation was not investigated for 19 years, partly because of a lack of resources. In contrast, the Chelyabinsk meteorite attracted immediate attention. Dashboard cameras captured the trajectory and brightness of the fireball, while CCTV networks provided fixed reference points. The US space agency NASA has now been able to identify the origins of the meteorite.

The low-frequency rumble of the Chelyabinsk event travelled twice around the globe. The data demonstrate that the energy of the impact was equivalent to a 460 kiloton (TNT) bomb, which is about 40 times the Hiroshima blast.The Conversation

Planetary and Space Science, June 2013. DOI: 10.1016/j.pss.2013.05.003 (About DOIs)

Simon Redfern is professor of mineral physics at the University of Cambridge.

This article was first published at The Conversation.

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The Lounge / Hey Jet Fission

« on: August 28, 2015, 11:41:15 PM »

Thought you'd like this

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Flat Earth General / Amateur photo of ISS like you've never seen before

« on: August 21, 2015, 05:43:18 PM »

I imaged on 8-17-15 the ISS at 59° from my backyard. I made this combo image to show you my image and a internet image of what the ISS looks like in space. I used my Edge HD 14 OTA with a SKYnyx 2.2 Mono CCD camera that has global shutter. The Barlow X 1.6 with an Astrodon orange filter. All on an custom modified EQ-G and ER tracking software made for me and my mount.
Kind Regards
Philip Smith

http://spaceweathergallery.com/indiv_upload.php?upload_id=116516&PHPSESSID=0rr8dse48o7gjfmcbodcr4at50

I say amateur meaning he's not a professional astronomer or space-guy. He may be a professional photographer I have no idea.

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Flat Earth General / Is this our very own Sceptimatic?

« on: August 17, 2015, 05:21:48 PM »

He's so eloquent, definitely made for radio.  Good job, Scepti!

http://radio.seti.org/episodes/skeptic-check-skeptic-seth

Description
Are you skeptical?  Sure, you raise an eyebrow when some Nigerian prince asks for your bank numbers, or when a breakfast cereal claims that it will turn your kid into a professional athlete overnight.

But what do you really know about the benefits of organic milk?  Or the power of whitening ingredients in your toothpaste?  How credible is what you read on Twitter?

Today, information overwhelms us, and the need to keep our skeptical wits about us has never been greater.  We follow Seth around as he faces the daily onslaught of hype and hokum.

It’s Skeptic Check, our monthly look at critical thinking … but don’t take our word for it!

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Flat Earth General / Mars CGI Explorer

« on: August 11, 2015, 05:30:50 PM »

Pretty cool stuff from teh conspiracy.

http://eyes.nasa.gov/curiosity/

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Flat Earth General / DSCOVR delivrs new Blue Marble photo

« on: July 20, 2015, 11:47:58 AM »

From 1 million miles away.




Read more http://www.planetary.org/blogs/emily-lakdawalla/2015/07201148-dscovr-epic-globe-earth.html

According to the release accompanying the photo, "Once the instrument begins regular data acquisition, EPIC will provide a daily series of Earth images allowing for the first time study of daily variations over the entire globe. These images, available 12 to 36 hours after they are acquired, will be posted to a dedicated web page by September 2015." NASA spokesman Stephen Cole further explained to me that the goal is to have this website up by September 1, but the actual date depends on when they get the processing pipeline ready. Images will be released once per day, and the daily release will include images between 12 and 36 hours old. The posted images will be derived color products.

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Flat Earth General / Top-Secret Maps revealed

« on: July 19, 2015, 12:25:18 PM »

We often hear that the governments are hiding something from us. We rarely get to see what exactly they were hiding and the scope of how much they are hiding.

The Soviet Union's military map-makers held a lot of the world's secrets and now you can see for yourself into their world.

http://www.wired.com/2015/07/secret-cold-war-maps/
 

All in all, Watt estimated that the Soviet military produced more than 1.1 million different maps.

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The Lounge / Mikeman, you need a break from this board

« on: June 28, 2015, 03:08:22 PM »

You are young. You have so much potential.

You are here too often.

Didn't you try polyphasic sleeping so you could make the most of your 24 hours in a day? I suggest telling someone you know that you have an addiction to this site and tell them you need to quit.

Why is this important? Because you will never solve anything here. These people cannot see the way you see things and they will not. No amount of explanation is going to make it happen.

Take part in a healthier addiction. Find a friend to exercise with.

This has been a public service announcement from your Alaskan friend,

Flat Orange

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The Lounge / One reason to love the members of tfes.org

« on: June 28, 2015, 03:03:58 PM »

Fewer bigots, fewer racists. More open-minded people.

Probably the reason we see Tom Bishop here currently.

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The Lounge / Love Wins, Flat Earth Wins

« on: June 26, 2015, 07:01:20 PM »

Here's to standing on the right side of history! (I made this for you guys)


Wait... this board's blue is #cadeef? Ha!

EDIT: Nope, looks like #d9e4ef

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Flat Earth General / Someone should cover a rocket launch

« on: June 25, 2015, 10:20:01 PM »

NASA is taking applications

Have you ever seen a launch in-person? Social media users are invited to apply for credentials to cover the Jason-3 spacecraft launch in Lompoc, California. The Jason missions measure the height of the ocean surface. For more information and to apply, visit: http://go.nasa.gov/1CwDVtV

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Flat Earth General / What was that iWitness post about mass/wide adoption?

« on: May 17, 2015, 10:52:35 AM »

Like, disruptive innovation is followed by mass / wide adoption?  Let's examine the timeline.

So, the US and Russia are in a real space-race. After so many failures, the U.S. decides 'wtf let's just fake it.' They fake going to the moon. Technology and whatnot does not follow because it was all faked. Russia does not call us out, instead they continue their space race and also begin to fake it. Other countries fake it as well.

Today, 38 total countries have sent people to space AKA faked it. 23 countries have space programs (I counted ESA as one and individual country's agencies additionally)

Is that evidence of wide adoption?

Okay so the governments are all in on it. It's not like wide adoption in private companies, right? Why don't we ask the billionaires that made their fortunes during the 90s. Who would that be?

Richard Branson of Virgin Mobile, Jeff Bezos of Amazon.com (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Origin), and Elon Musk of PayPal, Tesla Motors, and Solar City.

They each have started their own space program. Are they just not happy with running actual business that make them billions? They want to start scamming people?

Seems like mass adoption of the innovative technology of the space age to me.

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Flat Earth General / Has any flat earther tried to contact an astronaut?

« on: May 13, 2015, 03:10:29 PM »

Papa Legba, among others, seem obsessed with getting a first-hand account from someone who's been to space. Well, why not try reaching out to an astronaut? Better yet, why not try to contact one of the astronauts in space right now?

The people up there right now are there for a while. Three of them just got their mission extended, partly due to the Russian payload that didn't make it. I recommended trying to contact Terry Virts or Samantha Cristoferetti on Twitter. Both are super nice!

Two other astronauts are up there for a year long mission. Might try reaching out to one of them too, if you can't reach terry or Sam.

P.S. Round earthers, can you give some tips on what to write to an astronaut that would catch their attention and maybe encourage them to reply/fulfill a request?