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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Just to clarify something
« on: June 20, 2006, 03:25:04 AM »
Quote from: "Adams"
Ok so do you FErs believe that the flat earth (lol) is rotating at all. If so could you please post a diagram to illistrate how this works. (doesnt have to be awsome just a crude paint drawingwill do.) Cheers


There may be different views on this, but I personally don't believe the Earth is rotating.

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Flat Earth Q&A / antartica
« on: June 20, 2006, 03:21:59 AM »
Quote from: "noobschoolbus"

what about food? theyll die lololololoolololo


and those are some big fucking elephants and turtles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Hardly anyone on these forums believe in the animals under the Earth story. Stop shitting up the thread.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / The Earth is 157 years old
« on: June 19, 2006, 03:31:39 PM »
Quote from: "googleSearch"
Quote from: "Dogplatter"


It seems obvious to me that they did. So many very similar dinosaurs wouldn't have just appeared like that. I can understand just one type of dinosaur, or several distinct types of dinosaurs, being created or appearing or whatever, but the differences between Camasaurus, Diplodocus, Brontosaurus, for example, are trivial. It makes sense that they were all part of the same branch of genes.


Ahh, variations within a kind, sure, it happens. Look at dogs, there are a bunch of different types of dogs with huge differences in apperance. It doesn't take milions of years to get a new type of dog, only takes several generations. Why do you think dinos would be any different.


Well besides the small differences there are also big differences (compare plesiosaurus and deinonychus for example). Why would there be such a wide range of difference ranges?

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / The Earth is 157 years old
« on: June 19, 2006, 03:10:12 PM »
Quote from: "googleSearch"
Quote from: "Dogplatter"


But how could such a huge pantheon of dinosaurs have evolved and developed in such little time? By the way, I'm a flat Earther so I'm not just lapping up "what the scientists tell me" - but that the Earth is very old can be derived independantly.


Your assumption there is that they "evolved".


It seems obvious to me that they did. So many very similar dinosaurs wouldn't have just appeared like that. I can understand just one type of dinosaur, or several distinct types of dinosaurs, being created or appearing or whatever, but the differences between Camasaurus, Diplodocus, Brontosaurus, for example, are trivial. It makes sense that they were all part of the same branch of genes.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / The Earth is 157 years old
« on: June 19, 2006, 02:38:56 PM »
Quote from: "googleSearch"
Thanks, I'll check it out. I, myself believe the Earth is anywhere from 6K to 10K years old. And personally, I am fed up with people talking about the millions of years old.

I used to be ignorant of things like carbon dating and other types of dating methods, I just believed what "scientists" were writing. But they never mentioned assumptions that they make, ridicules, unprovable assumptions. It is only after I looked at the actual methods in detail by myself, I realized flaws of all dating methods.

And then, when I expose those assumptions - people call ME ignorant, thereas they themselves know little about the actual interworkings of methods.


But how could such a huge pantheon of dinosaurs have evolved and developed in such little time? By the way, I'm a flat Earther so I'm not just lapping up "what the scientists tell me" - but that the Earth is very old can be derived independantly.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Question for the Flat-Earthers..
« on: June 19, 2006, 02:35:57 PM »
Quote from: "Dr. Strangelove"

Single. Stupidest. Answer. Here. You must not believe in Dinosaurs..


I do believe in dinosaurs, very much so. Check out the "antarctica" thread if you don't believe me - we start discussing dinosaurs on about page 2.

Sure, I don't believe they were wiped out by a meteor, but even among Round-Earth science communities the fate of the dinosaurs is still widely contested and debated.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Question for the Flat-Earthers..
« on: June 19, 2006, 02:06:20 PM »
Quote from: "Paradoxical"

In order for that to be true, everything we see would have to be moving in the exact opposite direction from the Earth. If they were moving alongside us, we would see a trail similar to a comet's tail; not a single point of visible light. So if all celestial bodies were moving in the same direction, they would leave a tell-tale trail of light. (That's why stars in the Round-Earth model, that are millions of light-years away, are visible to us. It's quite possible that many of the stars have already died, completely, and are now gone, but we still see them as though they were stars, because it takes so long for their light to reach us).


No, according to my physics model, the thin end of the trail becomes small enough to be rendered invisible. The only bit visible is the bulky bit directly below the planet's underside, which is sort of blob shaped and when made small enough by distance appears spherical.

The planets and stars are moving alongside us, their trails just appear somewhat rounded.


Quote from: "Xargo"
Meteors are as round as any stone. We've found plenty of them already to confirm this.


We? The government you mean. Most "space rocks" and "meteors" have been harvested from the North Pole, where extreme temperatures cause weird rock "pocking" and disfiguration making them look spacy (obviously they can't harvest them from the Ice wall as well because that contains no rocks).

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Flat Earth Q&A / Question for the Flat-Earthers..
« on: June 19, 2006, 12:23:34 PM »
Quote from: "Dr. Strangelove"

No, I still maintain that Earth and all the other planets are flat.

Why? I mean..why? Why would it be flat? Nature doesn't do flat, she does Spheres. A sphere is more/less a perfect shape. Atoms are sphericale, ect-ect-ect. Meteors, Asteriods, Comets...all relatively sphereicle.[/quote]

Atoms don't have shape, they are defined by the CIRCULAR loci around which their electrons rotate. Learn a little about chemistry!

As for meteors, most of the are actually government saucers pretending to be meteors. "True" meteors, actual space rocks moving alongside us, are flat like the Earth.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Question for the Flat-Earthers..
« on: June 19, 2006, 12:21:02 PM »
Quote from: "Paradoxical"
Hrm, you quoted Erasmus, but it seemed like you were talking about my post.


I honestly don't remember where I read that. That the other planets are spherical, but the Earth is flat, I mean. I could've sworn that I read it somewhere on here, but now I'm thinking that I misunderstood, or just plain made it up in my head. I agree that it's highly unlikely that the other planets are flat, even if it is mildly possible that the Earth is flat.


But how? How can one planet be different from all the others? Either all the planets are round or all the planets are flat, and since the Earth is flat that means the other planets are flat.

Quote from: "Paradoxical"

I also don't see it being an optical illusion/trick of the light. Plus, how is Mars so brilliantly illuminated (and Venus as well) that you can see them without a telescope (not clearly, mind you, but you can see them)? I don't believe they are spotlights, although in whatever way you explain the moon's face changing, could be applied to the other planets...
Hrm... I'm talking in circles.


The reason they're visible like stars is because they produce a "trail" across space (remember, all celestial bodies are moving incredibly fast in the same direction). When the dark matter pushing the celestial bodies forwards is suddenly revealed to the vacuum of space (the planets "shield" the dark matter underneath them), a powerful reaction takes place causing intense light to be emitted.

The reason we can't see this happening to the dark matter "around" us is because it happens evenly. The uneven undersides of planets reveal the matter to the vacuum gradually, making the reaction visible (works a bit like refraction).

If we were able to look at the underside of the Earth from a standpoint beneath it we would probably see these light trails there too.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Question for the Flat-Earthers..
« on: June 19, 2006, 12:10:48 PM »
Quote from: "Dr. Strangelove"

Congratulations, you've figured it out!


No, I still maintain that Earth and all the other planets are flat.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Question for the Flat-Earthers..
« on: June 19, 2006, 12:02:46 PM »
Quote from: "Erasmus"
What process is it that causes them to appear to move across the surface and become foreshorted until the finally disappear, a phenomenon which is explained in exemplary fashion by the proposition that Mars is spherical?


I'm an FE'er just like you, but I don't see why the Earth would be flat if the other planets were spherical. If the same forces are acting on all planets, then Mars, Venus etc. would also be flat (or Earth would be round).

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Flat Earth Q&A / antartica
« on: June 19, 2006, 11:55:53 AM »
Quote from: "Professor Sphincter"
The formation of the Ice Wall and Oceans can easily be explained. The bottom and sides of the Disk obviously cooled more quickly, as they were exposed, rather than enclosed like the rock which stayed molten. This eventually created a concave-type structure, much like a red blood cell, because of the convection of the molten rock in the centre of the disk. this obviously meant the water would stay on the disk, and pf course cooled quicker at the edges, forming the Ice Wall. Then, as the forward acceleration of FE increased, the bottom lips of the concave bowl started to break away because of the forces acting on the disk, thus creating the Disk as we know it today.


There you go CrimsonKing - argue against that!

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Question for the Flat-Earthers..
« on: June 19, 2006, 04:39:20 AM »
Quote from: "Xargo"

Explain how we then can see them rotate.


We can see their appearances change, but this is due to them moving, flatly above us, in relation to where we are. If the angle of incidence from Earth to Mars for example changes slightly, Mars will take on a different appearance.

Imagine a saucer shape flying around above you and think how its shape would seem to change as it got closer or further away.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Who's up for an ocean cruise?
« on: June 19, 2006, 04:36:59 AM »
Quote from: "Xargo"

This explains nothing.


It does. The equator, or any locus with the same origin as the equator, can be travelled on the flat Earth - you're just travelling in a flat circle.

Remember, Flat Earthers don't believe that the Earth just sort of ends at some arbitrary North-South line like a lot of people seem to assume they do. Antarctica is the only "place" where the edge of the world is present.

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Flat Earth Q&A / What causes the sun spotlight to move
« on: June 19, 2006, 04:17:08 AM »
Quote from: "Sepulchre"

the problem here is that the magnetic field is not located in the center of the suns orbit so if it was indeed the force which caused the sun to move then the sun would not follow the pattern designated by the FE model.


In the FE model, the sun orbits around the equator, a flat circle half the size of the actual Earth. The centre point of this circle is the North Pole.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Question for the Flat-Earthers..
« on: June 19, 2006, 04:03:48 AM »
Quote from: "Dr. Strangelove"
Alright, my questions-

1. If the earth is flat, why isn't Mars, Venus...ect? You can see Mars without a Satalite, you can see it with your naked eye at times. It is obviously round.


The other planets are flat too. They are circular discs though, which is why they could easily be mistaken for spherical bodies.

Quote from: "Dr. Strangelove"

2. Get a telescope, and wait for satalite to pass overhead, when it does, seach for it.


What does this prove exactly?

Quote from: "Dr. Strangelove"

3. Why would the goverments of the world try to 'hide' this? Its totally retarded. And if the Russians/East Germans thought we faked *anything* during the Space Race, they would've spoken up. And vice-versa.


The Eastern Bloc and the West were in cahoots about the flat Earth the whole time. Both sides knew that revealing the true nature of the Earth could completely turn their nations into a state of utter disorder once the populace knew they'd been tricked for centuries by their governments.

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Flat Earth Q&A / What causes the sun spotlight to move
« on: June 18, 2006, 05:17:53 PM »
Quote from: "Xargo"

Well I'm now officially a living proof for how easy it is to make up supportive arguments for the FE theory.


It's only easy to make up such supportive arguments because it's true.

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Flat Earth Q&A / More proof
« on: June 18, 2006, 05:16:35 PM »
Quote from: "Xargo"

Animals evolve. Scientists might have found fossils of earlier birds somehow related to the penguin. Someplace, in the history of time, some of those birds seperated, went swoosh to antarctica, settled there, evolved, became a new species, just as men evolved from the ape.

Or something. Speculations. I have no clue.

Interesting indeed. Maybe penguins adapt themselves so that they won't be fossilised under the ice. Maybe they just decompose very quickly. Who knows. Not I. Who cares.


Actually, scientists haven't really found concrete evidence of penguin lineage, supporting claims that they were created by the government to feed the ice-wall guards.

Who cares? Well the penguin discrepencies were part of my argument for a Flat Earth Conspiracy. If you don't care, we should stop arguing.

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Flat Earth Q&A / More proof
« on: June 18, 2006, 05:08:54 PM »
Quote from: "DrQuak"

also when you state that "The reason you can't see very far into the distance is because the sun is only present over a small patch of the world at any one time." with a high powered telescope you cut out all other light and just get light that it going straight down the telescope - therefore (assuming nothing it in the way, might want to go to the top of a big ole mountain) if you pointed the telescope in the right direction on a flat earth you would be able to see the eifel tower - and don't say the sun don't shine because the eifel tower is lit by its own lights.


Oh come on, surely you don't believe that tiny electrical lights are strong enough to be seen from hundreds of miles away do you? Other light sources aside, our atmosphere gradually refracts and distorts light anyway - by the time the Eiffel Tower's light got to you, it would be invisible thanks to a combination of atmospheric distortion and light pollution from other sources.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Human understanding of 'phyisics'
« on: June 18, 2006, 05:03:50 PM »
Oh, I wasn't describing it in one direction because it was beginnery or anything, it just seems extra directional looping would be redundant.

By the way DrQuak, are you FE or RE?

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Flat Earth Q&A / What causes the sun spotlight to move
« on: June 18, 2006, 05:01:09 PM »
Quote from: "Xargo"

Seismic activities affects the magnetical field on the flat earth, and therefore affects the sun's motion. Common sense, my friend.


Ok, well you just provided another possible argument for the sun being a tiny circulating disc 3000 miles from Earth, which I thought was something you were out to disprove.

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Flat Earth Q&A / More proof
« on: June 18, 2006, 04:57:58 PM »
Quote from: "Xargo"

Well then, name the type of evidence which you would like me to present you with.


You can't provide valid evidence for this, because you can't predict with infallible accuracy what will happen in the future except by sitting and waiting. Get back to me when we're all flying around the round Earth in cheap-to-run space cars, and you'll have your evidence.

Quote from: "Xargo"

I think I remember that I heard some nature guy on TV mentioning that penguins originally were living in the tropics. Then they moved to antarctica, for an as unknown reason as any of the FE "phenomenas", and started living there instead. Since this event probably took place too early ago in the history of Earth for any of those penguins to become properly fossilised, that might answer your q.

However, how does a penguin fossilise in ice or snow in the first place?


Surely early existence of penguins would increase the likelyhood of finding and the volume of fossils found - not explain why there are hardly any.

Penguin remains would be preserved in the anaerobic environment under the ice if they had really been there for millions of years - do you hear of many people digging up penguin remains from the ice which are millions of years old?

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Quote from: "Xargo"

Got too impressed by agricultural fields to turn your head up and look towards the horizon?  :lol:


No, I looked at the horizon on numerous occasions and it was flat.

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Flat Earth Q&A / The four corners of the earth??
« on: June 18, 2006, 04:48:41 PM »
Quote from: "Xargo"

Then explain to me why this "pie tin" shaped planet of ours does not tip over in the extreme speed which we are traveling? Magnetic forces won't save you this time. :/


Why would it? FE'ers generally assume that theres a constant, even force pushing the Earth on it's one-way up-course, it would only tip the Earth if it was applied irregularly to a single part of the Earth's underside. This is just common sense - if you carry a pie tin on a flat tray it won't tip, if you carry it on a knitting needle it will.

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Flat Earth Q&A / More proof
« on: June 18, 2006, 04:45:34 PM »
Quote from: "Xargo"

Civilians can, in fact, go into space today. Of course, it costs a lot of money, but there is hard working physicians, scientists and inventors that is currently making sure of that, in the future, anyone will be allowed to go into deep space without losing their shirts in the price. We will be able to travel into space, as we travel to another country. How about that, cool huh? :)


That's complete speculation with no evidence, just like you claim the Flat Earth to be.

Quote from: "Xargo"

Why go off topic? Start another thread and gimme a full review.


Why create a duplicate? The biting question of why penguins don't seem to appear in history or fossil records hardly at all, and why they can't fly, yet are good at catching fish, remains unanswered over in "antarctica" (although it derailed completely when we started discussing pangea and dinosaurs).

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Flat Earth Q&A / The four corners of the earth??
« on: June 18, 2006, 04:40:44 PM »
Quote from: "Xargo"

When did they start? Why aren't there any other historical mentionings of this ice wall? Even with this FE-supposed theory that superinteligences are rooting out every evidence about your cute little theory, there should still be fragments of historical artifacts that could speak up for the Mighty Ice-Wall.


We don't know.

Quote from: "Xargo"

I don't get your drift. Obscured in what way? You mean the earth is actually not flat, but shaped like an bowl turned upside-down?


No. The Earth, if you include the ice wall as part of the Earth, is shaped like a really shallow pie tin. The ice walls hold the water in, much the same way as the edges of a pie tin would.

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Flat Earth Q&A / More proof
« on: June 18, 2006, 04:36:16 PM »
Quote from: "Xargo"
Here's the thing: Flat Earth theory has no, none whatsoever, nada, not a single speck of evidence that supports the theory.


Oh there's plenty of indirect evidence. Nothing concrete, the conspiracy makes sure of that, but there's little hints we can piece together. How come civillians never really went into space, only members of NASA and the equivalent associations in other countries? That's right, so we couldn't see the big 'ol flat Earth staring back at us.

Another thing - check out the penguin hypothesis in the Antarctica thead - can YOU explain the lack of fossil evidence, or the reason they can't fly?

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Quote from: "Xargo"

Have you ever gone up in the air? Well, go high enough, and you can see with your own eyes that the Earth is round. Go into space, and you will have no doubt about it. *thumbs up*


I've been in planes many a time and it looked flat to me.

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Flat Earth Q&A / What causes the sun spotlight to move
« on: June 18, 2006, 04:28:42 PM »
Quote from: "Xargo"

Seismic activity.
-.-


The Sun disc is floating 3000 miles above the Earth's surface. How could seismic activity from Earth affect the sun's motion?

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Flat Earth Q&A / The four corners of the earth??
« on: June 18, 2006, 04:27:04 PM »
Quote from: "Xargo"

Follow-Up Q's:
How do they guard the edge?
Why do they guard it?
 What does it look like over the edge?
Why aren't there any far-away images of the edge (since the earth is flat, telescopics would work just fine)?
Why aren't there any proof against the conspiracy - articles, recorded phonecalls, political statements, anything of value?



Firstly, military intelligence agencies specific to certain regions or countries (the CIA in America, MI5/6 in England etc.) will keep an eye on any unauthorized visits to the ice wall which are being planned. If possible, they will be stifled before they even begin.

It's possible that advanced missile technology might be deployed against a boat or plane on its way to the edge, and it's widely posited that the wall itself is physically guarded by military personnel and equipment. The specifics and maths of this setup were discussed at length in another thread in General Discussion.

Why are they guarding it? Nobody really knows except them. Once they started though, it would have been hard to stop - the knowledge that the governments of the world had been concealing a giant ice wall on a flat earth would throw the world into chaos.

Over the edge, it's just space, probably with a few other celestial bodies (flat of course) moving alongside us. Check the FAQ for more on the "upward motion" theory.

Telescoping photo-taking of the walls is impossible because they're not that high above sea level. Though they're widely thought to be 150ft tall, they're almost totally obscured by the water they're holding in.

The Conspiracy is great at removing concrete proof of its existence - after all, it comprises all the governments and secret orders of the world and commands all of their resources.

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