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Flat Earth Q&A / The Bible!
« on: June 08, 2006, 06:31:10 PM »
I'm an atheist and proud of it. I am also a nilhilist, so my opinion is that there is no purpoise to life. No magical afterlife, there's just the brief life you lead, then you die.

That's my view.

Flat Earth Q&A / A Little Puzzled
« on: June 08, 2006, 06:29:38 PM »
Hmm. I see. Well, thanks for the discussion. I am sure neither of us will win the other over, but It's been a good discussion.


Flat Earth Q&A / A Little Puzzled
« on: June 08, 2006, 06:12:06 PM »
That would be true, but yon ice wall is a much larger, spread out surface area and mass, correct?

I could do a search for it...but I'd rather if someone just explained it so I wouldn't have to link across.

EDIT: I found it. :P

Flat Earth Q&A / Couple-o-Questions.
« on: June 08, 2006, 06:08:29 PM »
You see, the problem is that there has never been any recorded alliance that transcends all divides. None.
Religion, politics, even the timing of the years and so on are disputed by many and all people. To say that everyone is conspiting together takes no account of human nature or human differences....

Flat Earth Q&A / The Bible!
« on: June 08, 2006, 05:59:52 PM »
Because the bible was wrtten decades after when Jesus supposedly lived, by people of their time whose thoughts were guided by the theories of the time. The bible is no more reliable as a science tract than Herodotus' sea monster claims.

Flat Earth Q&A / sattelite anyone?
« on: June 08, 2006, 05:58:07 PM »
Their answer would be that they're not really, it's all going into someone's slush fund...and to protect the lie....

Which does happen, I'm sure...I just can't see it happening.

Flat Earth Q&A / An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
« on: June 08, 2006, 05:52:46 PM »
And the nations which are near the ice wall like Chili and Argentina....

Flat Earth Q&A / A Little Puzzled
« on: June 08, 2006, 05:51:52 PM »
Now, to tackle the second point first. Space is cold, absolutely, but there is nothing stopping things on a flat earth sliding off. IE, the ice would be riding at an even, flat rate, but not

And this very large ice island is...where, exactly? I mean, okay, you have a conspiracy theory, and a good one, I'll grant you. But it is somewhat odd to cover up any and all illogical trends with another conspiracy theory. For instance, if the earth is flat, why don't the clouds go off the side? Or, more importantly, why wouldn't a plane at any height off the ground not see open space. Even if it was an ice island, you would still be able to see either the ice wall, or open void.

Ice does generate cold air by thawing in the atmosphere.

Flat Earth Q&A / sattelite anyone?
« on: June 08, 2006, 05:43:52 PM »
Ah, naturally. But how tall? And where? I know for a fact that after 200km you lose radio reception from the tallest towers here. Do we have pictures, any data about these towers? Towers that would need to be widespread and at least 1/2 a km high?

Flat Earth Q&A / secret police...
« on: June 08, 2006, 05:42:07 PM »
Bear with me for a moment. If we're talking about a military style patrol in an area as wide as the equator on a round earth, surely you would need millions of people? And in an era such as the Cold War, cooperation was not a great feature. So is there an international army held by some extra governmental power?

That's all speculation, what isn't, is that I can understand secret police exist, guarding single islands, installations, even large areas. But the circumfrence of the world? That is another kettle of fish....

Flat Earth Q&A / sattelite anyone?
« on: June 08, 2006, 05:32:42 PM »
So you do not believe in the existance of artificial satellites? do you explain satellite phones, the dishes people have?

Moreover, can you tell me just what it is that happens to the launches of these machines? I would be interested indeed.

And what about the Columbia disaster? You naturally believe there were no people in there, I imagine...I'm sure the windows would be very pleased to hear that.  :wink:

Flat Earth Q&A / A Little Puzzled
« on: June 08, 2006, 05:26:58 PM »
Indeed, but logically, if you have a giant block of ice, things around it would get cold. Like the tundra at the north pole. Now, I know tempratures DO get cold the further south you get, but how cold? A 6.5km high block of ice running for kms deep would generate so much cold air that it would surely interrupt the weather.

However, you cannot simply say that it goes on forever, an ice wall that big would have an edge. I must say, my brother didn't see any ice walls, and by implying it goes on for a long time, you are validating the existance of Antarctica, surely?

Flat Earth Q&A / An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
« on: June 08, 2006, 05:21:16 PM »
Their explanation is that there is satellites...but they are doctored for public view.

A rather odd claim, in my view, but there you are.

It would mean that every nation in world history had to be in on it. And really, if the world was flat, I could see the profit in the Yanks revealing it when Russia claimed to launch Sputnik....

Luke might want to move that pic to your kinda distorts the page.

Flat Earth Q&A / A Little Puzzled
« on: June 08, 2006, 05:08:33 PM »
If there was a wall of 20,000 feet away, surely it's logical that it could be seen as far away as everest? (It is shorter, but continuous)

But no, it was not an ice wall, and certainly not one 20,000 feet high. 6.5 KM high for a wall of ice?
Ahem, I must point out the logical flaw in this. How did the ice get so high, eh? Ice does not rise vertically, so you'd be suggesting an ice wall at least 100km wide, and possessing more waterr frozen than all the seas.

Flat Earth Q&A / A Little Puzzled
« on: June 08, 2006, 04:47:02 PM »
An ice wall which is not curved, is hundreds of miles deep and is not 150ft high? An ice wall, furthermore that has mountains in it?

Flat Earth Q&A / An Ice Wall Cannot Exist
« on: June 08, 2006, 04:27:37 PM »
I'm not into thread necromancy...but I ask, I can see in a flat earth that the sides would freeze. But how did they get 150 feet tall? That would imply that there was water that high to freeze. Now, with the north and /or south poles, there is a single base that ice can freeze and build around. But with a wide edge, there is no reason why ice would pile up 150ft high....

Flat Earth Q&A / A Little Puzzled
« on: June 08, 2006, 03:53:22 PM »
Now, I'm new here. I believe in a round earth, but you are entitled to your view, of course.
Indeed, were it not for personal experience, it is very hard for one person to prove the earth is round. I've been in planes many, many times, and you can see the curve of the earth and so on. However, at a base level it is hard to definately disprove. bother went to Antartica. Hmm...he went on a flight over it, the Air NZ ones, you know, package tours and such. But, I mean, he flew over it.
He left from Aukland, there is no other land mass in the world save the North Pole with that amount of ice, and unless the conspiracy police have matter transporters, he flew over Antartica. Looked out the window over the endless ice. He said it was beautiful, though I believe they've stopped that service now.
However...I cannot understand how this does not disprove the FE theory. My brother flew over it. There was no video cameras showing projections outside his window, no matter transportation.

I am just puzzled how you folks would answer that one.

I am also puzzled by the seasons. If the sun and moon are like 50km up, how do we get seasons? How can the Russian steppes go from 35C to -50C in just a few months if the sun moves at the same rate?

One last thing. The planets. How, if the light from the sun cannot even reach the north pole in winter, can it reach Jupiter? We know it's a planet up there, it's orbiting the sun. Logically, if the light from the sun is that close to the earth but can reach Jupiter...the world would be a melted plate.

Also, (sorry), why is Earth the only flat planet in a galaxy of round? Are all stars and planets round, except Earth? Does this suggest you believe that there is a deity that created it all?

Cheerio, looking forward to some constructive debate

PS, the FAQ doesn't mention your beliefs...only help and support from the site. Help a poor Aussie. :P

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