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Flat Earth General / Re: How NASA FAKED the moon landings!
« on: December 29, 2009, 09:43:35 PM »
What's so great about Mars? The problem is radiation which the moon landing didn't have. 4 month trip for what? Logistics are a nightmare, etc. High risk, low gain for now.


What's so great about Mars? I don't know, maybe that we might find life on Mars. Maybe because we might find evidence of how life began on Earth?

So nothing worth risking the lives of people and billions of dollars of equipment over? If there are bacteria living on Mars...
So what? YAY things can evolve to live in different places! Oh wait, we already knew that.

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The Lounge / Re: In Case of Zombies
« on: December 29, 2009, 03:30:56 AM »
I just thought of something.
There is no way in hell zombies would ever be able to destroy civilization.
A single M1A1 could take out every last one without any damage at all, and you only need 4 people to crew it. Granted, it's probably a difficult job but I'm sure 4 trained army guys with guns would be able to survive long enough to get to their tank.
Thoughts?

Also;
If you're fighting zombies that are just people with super-rabies go for an assault rifle or similar with pistol because you only have to hit their vitals to kill them.
If you're fighting real zombies grab youself the biggest shotgun you can find and go make mincemeat out of their torsos. Shotgun = biggest damage possible at close range.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Critique of the Flat Earth FAQ
« on: December 29, 2009, 03:20:26 AM »
The truth,
it has been spoken.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Conspiracy; Let's Settle This
« on: December 28, 2009, 02:52:10 PM »
Alright then. This has grown in my absence (I seem to have been IP banned from my laptop for some reason. Lucky I've got a desktop CPU as well). Since photography isn't my strong point (or indeed, any of my points at all) I'll just stick to summarising what's happened so far and draw myself a conclusion.

Bishop said that the sun in that photo was a stage light. Everyone jumped on that with teeth gnashing and so whether that's right is still up in the air. Even if it is right it only proves that that photo is faked. We have no motive (which we need because otherwise we are just speculating as to whether it was faked because the world is flat) and I don't even know which Apollo mission that is from so it could just be an attempt to frighten the Russians or likewise.
About the sun being a stagelight, it is probably just something to do with the camera/film/storage. Cameras are never great at taking photos of bright things and so I'd like a control image of the sun (from anyone; at least 1 RE and 1 FE) to be tested by them and me to see what results we get. Preferably an original image saved as a .jpg and hopefully (but not likely) from the same camera line. Use photoshop for the test just like Bishop did.

So in summary:
Still want motives for the Chinese, want NASA links depending on motives for the Chinese and we need control images of sun to be tested in photoshop like Bishop did.

Motives for the Chinese: the elite running the world have achieved political unification, as evidenced by lack of major wars for the past 60 years. What is good for the ruling elite in the US or Russia also goes for China. To the extent that there may be any real international tensions (as opposed to those made up by the press) the US has so much leverage over china due to the massive amount of US debt they hold -- which the US could default on if it chose -- so chinese officials, to the extent that they are aware the world is flat, are not motivated to piss off the US on this issue. Anyway, China doesn't exactly like telling the truth about most things as a matter of routine: we are talking about a totalitarian regime here! Their political system could equally be called: Government by Conspiracy.
Sounds plausible to me but just because it could exists doesn't mean it does. Need some evidence.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Conspiracy; Let's Settle This
« on: December 28, 2009, 02:50:26 PM »
It's sort of funny how it is readily accepted that China's space program is fake, yet the rest are not, despite the fact that China's fake space program working with the other space programs on billion dollar space projects.

Once we have a fake space program working with other nations in space it sort of implicates the rest now, doesn't it?

http://www.asianewsnet.net/news.php?id=9234&sec=1

http://www.marsdaily.com/reports/China-Russia_Mars_mission_set_for_takeoff_999.html

China's space program has not been proven to be an entire fake. So far the spacewalk was probably fake, but mission still hasn't been proved so and neither has the whole space program.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Conspiracy; Let's Settle This
« on: December 26, 2009, 10:21:11 PM »
Finally found a way around my laptop ban.

Shameless self-bump for continued discussion/admittance of defeat.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Conspiracy; Let's Settle This
« on: December 08, 2009, 08:39:56 PM »
Alright then. This has grown in my absence (I seem to have been IP banned from my laptop for some reason. Lucky I've got a desktop CPU as well). Since photography isn't my strong point (or indeed, any of my points at all) I'll just stick to summarising what's happened so far and draw myself a conclusion.

Bishop said that the sun in that photo was a stage light. Everyone jumped on that with teeth gnashing and so whether that's right is still up in the air. Even if it is right it only proves that that photo is faked. We have no motive (which we need because otherwise we are just speculating as to whether it was faked because the world is flat) and I don't even know which Apollo mission that is from so it could just be an attempt to frighten the Russians or likewise.
About the sun being a stagelight, it is probably just something to do with the camera/film/storage. Cameras are never great at taking photos of bright things and so I'd like a control image of the sun (from anyone; at least 1 RE and 1 FE) to be tested by them and me to see what results we get. Preferably an original image saved as a .jpg and hopefully (but not likely) from the same camera line. Use photoshop for the test just like Bishop did.

So in summary:
Still want motives for the Chinese, want NASA links depending on motives for the Chinese and we need control images of sun to be tested in photoshop like Bishop did.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Conspiracy; Let's Settle This
« on: December 07, 2009, 05:50:16 PM »
The videos aren't faked.

If you're concerned about fakery, look at the original footage.

I did and saw nothing damning. Do you understand how things work in microgravity? Do you really think that if there were a conspiracy in play, with all the multi-million dollar special effects out there, that "they" would neglect to edit out the studio lights or a simple bubble? Do you think that they'd ignore all the fanboys on IMDB that point out every little SF glitch?

And again, the "Conspiracy", according to FE, dates back much further than NASA or any other nations space program.

It's funny to me that according to you, the videos are real when convenient and bogus when it suits you.

You, Mr. Bishop, are a fool.

Well then. For the record, we'll accept that this spacewalk (the Chinese one) has been faked because, quite obviously, it has. The videos look fine to me and the points brought up in them make perfect sense and are logical. The news blog is critical of the Chinese government but the glitches (bubbles and some others) clearly don't occur in space, so it can only be faked. It seems unbiased. Whether this fakery was because China is part of the epic conspiracy remains to be proven.
No personal attacks please because if everyone starts throwing them around it only de-rails the thread and I don't want that. Even if Tom contradicts himself in other threads I only want those brought up if it happens in this thread, i.e. only if he contradicts himself in this thread.

There is evidence for a NASA conspiracy. Please search.

ESA and others are all working with NASA on the ISS. NASA actually helped to build those organizations in the 80's.
Me searching is not the point of this thread either (though I am fully willing to look at other threads if you link them, or tell me to search for a particular title). The point is for you to present you're evidence and me to refute it (if I can). By all means reference other threads (or even copy & paste) but you need to explain it as well.
And also, is there any evidence that NASA and the others are conpiratorily linked?

So currently: You need to prove NASA is in on it and the others are NASA's children, or that everyone is in on it (and for that you need to prove the motivation behind China's fakery is the conspiracy and not something else because China's motives are questionable and there are other explanations).

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Conspiracy; Let's Settle This
« on: December 07, 2009, 04:13:29 PM »
I've already proven that a space conspiracy exists.
Well then, oh beneficent one, mind sharing. And don't link to another thread, I want the evidence here. Copy and paste if you have to.

The CSA (Chinese Space Agency) is running a fake space program.





http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/china/shenzhou-vii-fake-spacewalk-5809.html

Yep. That all seems reasonable enough. So China has faked a mission out of their space program and probably more, but this does not prove that there is a conspiracy out there, it just proves that China...
Well, it has its problems. China 'could be' motivated by many other reasons. Even if I did believe that China faked it because the Earth was flat and not because they're tyrants (for want of a better word, no offence) you still have
NASA
The CSA (Canadian)
The ESA
The ISA
JAXA
The Turkish Space Agency (It's name has symbols that don't show up on this forum in it)
KCST
ARCASPACE
MNSA
and whichever one is the Russian space agency
to go. I know this seems like I'm asking a bit much but maybe you could recruit some others to help?

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Conspiracy; Let's Settle This
« on: December 07, 2009, 03:37:48 PM »
Still waiting for that evidence Tom. Or has it been lost in the mail somewhere and you haven't made backups (i.e. doesn't exist).

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Flat Earth General / Re: The earth is round
« on: December 07, 2009, 03:35:39 PM »

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Flat Earth General / Re: Belgian astronaut, Frank de Winne
« on: December 07, 2009, 03:29:57 PM »
He may have also been chosen because he was already keeping secrets for the government with a gun to his head.

Another one is no different.


Do you have any proof of NASA doing this to Winne?

Or is it something you made up in your head, thinking it would support your idea of a huge conspiracy?

No, he doesn't. See: http://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=34650.0
They've had a few days and there has been no proof yet.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Conspiracy; Let's Settle This
« on: December 07, 2009, 03:11:34 PM »
I've already proven that a space conspiracy exists.
Well then, oh beneficent one, mind sharing. And don't link to another thread, I want the evidence here. Copy and paste if you have to.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Idea: Start a University
« on: December 07, 2009, 03:07:38 PM »
What's the problem with the ancient system of education anyway. Nearly every nation that used it has been a super power. Ancient Greece, Rome, Britain, America, China etc.
It works, and its not broken; so don't you be trying to fix it.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Conspiracy; Let's Settle This
« on: December 07, 2009, 02:54:05 PM »
That's it, I call victory.
The conspiracy does not exist because it has not been proved to exist therefore NASA is telling the truth and the Earth is a sphere. The FET is wrong, the RET is right, we can close down these forums and all go to sleep knowing that we were right all along.

Don't thank me, its just my job.
 ;)

We have conclusively disproven FEt numerous times, but they just ignore the offending thread or change the subject to one they can argue in.

I know, nearly every thread results in the FE'ers running and hiding under the rock of "BLAH BLAH BLAH CAN'T HEAR U" but I figured that I'd give disproving it once and for all, unquestionably, a go.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Conspiracy; Let's Settle This
« on: December 07, 2009, 02:41:33 PM »
That's it, I call victory.
The conspiracy does not exist because it has not been proved to exist therefore NASA is telling the truth and the Earth is a sphere. The FET is wrong, the RET is right, we can close down these forums and all go to sleep knowing that we were right all along.

Don't thank me, its just my job.
 ;)

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Conspiracy; Let's Settle This
« on: December 05, 2009, 10:21:52 PM »
FE'ers will probably say something like "if we had evidence of a conspiracy, then it wouldn't be a very good conspiracy, would it?"

Hence number 2.

2. The evidence:
The only evidence I will accept is actual evidence. Like I said before, 'well, it could exist' is not evidence of its existence, therfore, not evidence so do not waste my time and yours trying to prove it could exist. I want actual proof it does. Saying 'NASA silences the proof, therefore we have no evidence' is not an argument either. If you have no evidence, guess what, YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE! Therefore, you fail the burden of proof.


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But Regardless, we still have all the data from Apollo 12, 14, 15, 16 and 17 which all landed on the moon. No missing tapes there. Not to mention all the satellites that have orbited the moon and sent data back, which we still have.

This.

We have the data, even if (according to you) not from that particular mission. Explain, please, why you demand the 'missing' data when you've got piles of the stuff all over the internet. Like someone said before, you just ignore the mountains of evidence that you can't find faults with and look for the one little part you can, sort of, attack.

Obvious troll is obvious.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The Conspiracy; Let's Settle This
« on: December 05, 2009, 08:25:18 PM »
Hmmm. No posts from any FE'ers with any evidence at all...
What does this prove, I wonder?
I'll give it another day or so before I call it.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Idea: Start a University
« on: December 04, 2009, 02:42:20 AM »
Just a small question.

Three people all want the same job, to be a lawyer.

On one hand, you've got a guy who went to the absoloute top university in the land, spent four years studying law and graduated with flying colours.

Inbetween both hands you've got somebody who went to your average university, studied law for 4 years and graduated withy flying colours.

Then, on the other hand, you've got the guy who went to some scummy little online university, got his degree in three weeks and again, passed with flying colours.

You are the employer, an average, reasonable man who believs (like the majority of people) that the world is round, science is science and that lady at the bar is hot and you would totally get with her. You have never heard of Zelticism (am i doing it right?) and don't care what it is. Who would you employ?

You'd employ the guy who went to the championship university, or if he got a better offer elsewhere, the guy who went to the other university. Only if he also got a job somewhere else would you even consider the online degree guy.

Most people know this, which is why they fork out big bucks to go to big universities. So why would anyone choose to graduate from your university if they have other options. Also (keeping in mind I mean no offence) employers tend to reject people with online degrees regardless of whether they need employees and also, an online degree will not get you as far up the company ladder as a regular (and, dare I say it,) real degree will.

If no-one responds to this comment, I win. If anyone makes attack on my spelling or grammar without a valid argument as well (I'm looking at you Tom) I win.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Beyond All Reasonable Doubt
« on: December 04, 2009, 02:14:32 AM »
In advance, I suggest no FE'r try to use the first moon landing as evidence.  You will be decimated, especially if you do not use reliable sources.

I thought about that but I decided to let them have it. After all, it could be fake. But like I said, if you want to use it as evidence, everyone has to agree it was fake. On the topic of the moon landing tha fact the flag is moving proves nothing, because the force of the flagpole going into the ground also set the flag into motion and with nothing to stop it from moving, it started to move.

But I doubt anyone will post anyway. I set pretty stringent restrictions to ensure only top quality stuff gets through, so I doubt any FET evidence will actually pass muster.

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Flat Earth General / The Conspiracy; Let's Settle This
« on: December 03, 2009, 11:48:32 PM »
Okay, here we go. First time poster; long time lurker.
So far all I have seen in FE arguments about, well anything is "CONSPIRACEH!!" (A summary, obviously).
You don't really have a lot of proof the conspiracy exists. So here I go, to try and figure out weather the conspiracy actually exists.

1. The rules:

In the Australian legal system the burden of proof is with the prosecuter. The prosecuter must prove the defendant murdered the victim. It is not the defendant's jobto prove he didn't.
By extension, the flat earth therory supporters are the prosecuters because you are accusing NASA (mainly) of a conspiracy. Therefore, you have the burden of proof. You must prove that the conspiracy is real. If you do not prove it and simply say 'well, it could exist', you have failed the burden of proof, just as saying 'well, he could have stabbed her' is not sufficent to jail a man for life.

2. The evidence:
The only evidence I will accept is actual evidence. Like I said before, 'well, it could exist' is not evidence of its existence, therfore, not evidence so do not waste my time and yours trying to prove it could exist. I want actual proof it does. Saying 'NASA silences the proof, therefore we have no evidence' is not an argument either. If you have no evidence, guess what, YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE! Therefore, you fail the burden of proof.

3. The arguments:
?You spelt this wrong, therefore I am right.? = Fail.
?You are an idiot, therefore I am right.? = Fail.
?You are homosexual, therefore I am right.? = Fail.
Etc.
?<Inset copious evidence here>, therefore I am right.? = Win.

4. The shape of the Earth:
I am sorry, but I cannot allow the shape of the Earth to be an argument. If we assume the world is flat, conspiracy = real. If we assume it round, conspiracy = fake. Since if we allow this the thread will become FET vs. RET like all the others we will assume neither. The shape of the Earth is NOT an argument for ANYONE! THIS IS FUCKING IMPORTANT SO READ IT AGAIN AND MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND IT! Use only things such as eyewitness accounts and items proved to be fake as evidence. For an item to be successfully proved as fake it must actually be accepted as fake by EVERYONE.

5. Finally:
I am probably asking a bit much but please, everyone, be impartial and fair. Do not be insulting or rude because if you are everyone stops being impartial, it turns into a shit-flinging competition and nothing gets done.

So, in summary:
1.   Do not use the shape of the earth as an argument
2.   Do not be insulting
3.   FE members must prove the conspiracy does exist, not just that it could.
4.   RE members must disprove the evidence.
5.   When one side is completely trashed and fails to continue to debate, the other side is the winner.

3, 2, 1, GO!
P.S. I require sources with evidence.

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