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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: The Earths Water is Manufactered in the Clouds

« on: August 26, 2012, 09:04:54 PM »

Water is one of the single most common molecules in the universe. It is formed of two parts hydrogen, the most common element in the universe, with oxygen, the eighth most common. Water isn't just here, it's everywhere, a lot of it. You can even view water ice on the polar points of Mars. Also, the lightning isn't doing anything, the thunder is what causes that phenomenon.

The water formed over time as various elements settled on a young Earth. Earth does not magically create water from nothing.

Well how did it get on the moon? Last I heard the moon was side swiped by a huge meteor causing flaming hot molten lava to coalesce around the earth, till it coalesced into one great big dry rock.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: The Earths Water is Manufactered in the Clouds

« on: August 26, 2012, 07:28:59 PM »

http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/watercycle.html

Oh... yeah but where did it all come from to begin with. The recycling of water is well known, it's origins, how it got here in the first place. That's the question.

Another possibility is that maybe a rain shower, just before it starts to rain, the sun evaporates 200x as much water in a few short seconds, leading to massive over precipitation. All at once.

What do you think of this where they claim a thunder clap and lightning is sometimes followed by a downpour of rain.

Do Bursts of Heavy Rain Follow a Thunder Clap

http://blog.chicagoweathercenter.com/2008/06/do-bursts-of-heavy-rain-follow.html

They claim the lightning physically pushes the rain droplets together making it rain harder. Why they don't claim the lightning evaporates the water causing it to move higher up in the cloud is kind of odd...


So maybe it is just recycled? However it doesn't explain where the water came from in the first place.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Universe is made of Bendy Light

« on: August 26, 2012, 05:01:03 PM »

Cats would be visible in the first photo as furry creature mass. In the second they would leave visible silhouettes.

This is clearly a photo of bright reddish yellow explosion.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Universe is made of Bendy Light

« on: August 25, 2012, 06:20:43 AM »

This is speculation based on a press release regarding the enhancement of a picture taken of deep space.

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2012/jun/HQ_12-185_Spitzer_First_Objects.html

RELEASE : 12-185
 
 
NASA'S Spitzer Finds First Objects Burned Furiously
 
 
WASHINGTON -- The faint, lumpy glow from the very first objects in the universe may have been detected with the best precision yet using NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope. The objects could be wildly massive stars or voracious black holes. They are too far away to be seen individually, but Spitzer has captured new, convincing evidence of what appears to be the collective pattern of their infrared light.

The observations help confirm the first objects were numerous in quantity and furiously burned cosmic fuel.

"These objects would have been tremendously bright," said Alexander "Sasha" Kashlinsky of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., lead author of a new paper appearing in The Astrophysical Journal. "We can't yet directly rule out mysterious sources for this light that could be coming from our nearby universe, but it is now becoming increasingly likely that we are catching a glimpse of an ancient epoch. Spitzer is laying down a roadmap for NASA's upcoming James Webb Telescope, which will tell us exactly what and where these first objects were."

Spitzer first caught hints of this remote pattern of light, known as the cosmic infrared background, in 2005, and again with more precision in 2007. Now, Spitzer is in the extended phase of its mission, during which it performs more in-depth studies on specific patches of the sky. Kashlinsky and his colleagues used Spitzer to look at two patches of sky for more than 400 hours each.

The team then carefully subtracted all of the known stars and galaxies in the images. Rather than being left with a black, empty patch of sky, they found faint patterns of light with several telltale characteristics of the cosmic infrared background. The lumps in the pattern observed are consistent with the way the very distant objects are thought to be clustered together.

Kashlinsky likens the observations to looking for Fourth of July fireworks in New York City from Los Angeles. First, you would have to remove all the foreground lights between the two cities, as well as the blazing lights of New York City itself. You ultimately would be left with a fuzzy map of how the fireworks are distributed, but they would still be too distant to make out individually.

"We can gather clues from the light of the universe's first fireworks," said Kashlinsky. "This is teaching us that the sources, or the "sparks," are intensely burning their nuclear fuel."

The universe formed roughly 13.7 billion years ago in a fiery, explosive Big Bang. With time, it cooled and, by around 500 million years later, the first stars, galaxies and black holes began to take shape. Astronomers say some of that "first light" may have traveled billions of years to reach the Spitzer Space Telescope. The light would have originated at visible or even ultraviolet wavelengths and then, because of the expansion of the universe, stretched out to the longer, infrared wavelengths observed by Spitzer.

The new study improves on previous observations by measuring this cosmic infrared background out to scales equivalent to two full moons -- significantly larger than what was detected before. Imagine trying to find a pattern in the noise in an old-fashioned television set by looking at just a small piece of the screen. It would be hard to know for certain if a suspected pattern was real. By observing a larger section of the screen, you would be able to resolve both small- and large-scale patterns, further confirming your initial suspicion.

Likewise, astronomers using Spitzer have increased the amount of the sky examined to obtain more definitive evidence of the cosmic infrared background. The researchers plan to explore more patches of sky in the future to gather more clues hidden in the light of this ancient era.

"This is one of the reason's we are building the James Webb Space Telescope," said Glenn Wahlgren, Spitzer program scientist at NASA Headquarters in Washington. "Spitzer is giving us tantalizing clues, but James Webb will tell us what really lies at the era where stars first ignited."

Other authors are Richard Arendt of Goddard and the University of Maryland in Baltimore; Matt Ashby and Giovanni Fazio of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Mass.; and John Mather and Harvey Moseley of Goddard. Fazio led the initial observations of these sky fields.

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), Pasadena, Calif., manages the Spitzer Space Telescope mission for the agency's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. Science operations are conducted at the Spitzer Science Center at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech) in Pasadena. Data are archived at the Infrared Science Archive housed at the Infrared Processing and Analysis Center at Caltech. Caltech manages JPL for NASA.

For more information about Spitzer, visit:

The article mentions that all the stars, once removed reveals an infrared heat background.

Since the big bang occurred 13 Billion or so years ago, the universe has been steadily expanding ever since.

When peering into a tiny section of the Universe 13 Billion light years away, the concentration of stars is rather dense all things considered.

Here is the image.

http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/images/5172-ssc2012-08a-First-Structures-in-the-Distant-Universe






Is the universe made from Bendy Light?

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / The Earths Water is Manufactered in the Clouds

« on: August 25, 2012, 05:53:45 AM »

Not sure if a thread has been started on this or not...

The Growing Earth Theory is an excellent illustration of how the world supply of water may have fluctuated over time. If you haven't seen it, it's worth a watch.

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Conspiracy of Science - Earth is in fact growing

The question asked most often regarding the theory is, "Where did all the water come from?".

This is true with current ( fixed earth ) theory as well. No one knows where the water came from.

It could be an extraterrestrial supply from ice comets, which may have occurred during the heavy bombardment period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Heavy_Bombardment

It could also be a primordial or terrestrial supply. One of the more recent reports from nasa is that anti-matter signatures are given off from storms.

http://www.space.com/10602-antimatter-beams-thunderstorms-nasa.html



If you are not aware of what sprite lightning is, this is a good quick video.


#ws" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Rare Lightning Sprites Caught On Camera | Video


There are also reports that the Swiss are using lasers to seed clouds with precipitation.

http://www.gizmag.com/swiss-cloud-seeding-laser-research/14982/


So... where did all the Earths Water supply come from? Is it a terrestrial supply created in the skys, or is it an extra-terrestrial supply from ice comets?

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response (ASMR)

« on: August 25, 2012, 05:00:10 AM »

Then what about this one... this one gave me ASMR like crazy...

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">Le Mystere des voix Bulgares - Bulgarian choir 3 songs


One is flat earth and the other is more like round earth. I am curious if there is any proof that either one is better than the other, or perhaps one is the devils music?

Elvis vs the Beach Boys.


So if we take the choir ASMR, it clearly "sooths the savage beast", and this sort of thing has been known forever.

The Bob Ross is a new phenomenon beginning with a painting show and it does indeed sooth those who watch it.



I am just curious if it's basically a repeat in history as far as the "Devil's Music" goes. There wasn't much science regarding the Devils music in the 60s with psychedelic rock which encouraged youth to head out to rural areas in droves, have sex and smoke marijuana. This Boss Ross phenomenon has the potential to grind the economy to a halt with the sheer pleasure it provides those who experience ASMR.


I am not in favor for either, or against either. The science is secondary, and the social economics are more important regarding the science of sound and it's influence on humans.

If you ask me, it's already in widespread use by major movie corporations.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response (ASMR)

« on: August 24, 2012, 11:28:06 PM »

This is a thread about ASMR which is reported my many including myself, starting as early as my youth. It's basically the science behind "tingles" in the brain. Some report Bob Ross as being a trigger, simply because of the slow pacing of his actions and his past popularity on Television, with a painting show.

#" class="bbc_link" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">The Best Bob Ross Parody ASMR

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Future Civilization

« on: February 27, 2009, 02:10:33 AM »

What about the Saturn Project? It sort of touches base on the advancement of civilization?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912

The saturn project content starts around 45 minutes last I remember...

Talks about things like GeoThermal Power... Mag Lift travel... and Complete Automation due to technology freeing the human rage from the wage slave scenario...

I like the whole concept of type 1, type 2, type 3... ect...

But it's a tad bit uninspiring...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: The Big Bang

« on: February 25, 2009, 06:38:28 PM »

Oh... Oh... I missed this thread...

Please someone tell me why they feel the background temperature of space is proof of a big bang. To my knowledge Georgy Porgie made several attempts to guess the temperature radiation of the event.

He was never looking for evidence but rather proof. ( as you science types like to put it ). I believe this idea alone is a perversion in the search for the truth.

Never mind the fact that Arthur Eddington made a much more accurate calculation many years before him when simply trying to understand how much heat should be radiated from the stars.

Here's a good paper on it.

"In a region of space not in the neighbourhood of any
star this constitutes the whole field of radiation, and a
black body, e. g. a black bulb thermometer, will there
take up a temperature of 3 18o.  so that its emission
may balance the radiation falling on it and absorbed
by it. This is sometimes called the ?temperature of in-
terstellar space."

http://redshift.vif.com/JournalFiles/Pre2001/V02NO3PDF/V02N3ASS.PDF

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Vigilantism

« on: February 22, 2009, 06:47:53 AM »

Right. So, for example, if a man believes prostitutes deserve to be killed, it is his moral obligation to uphold what he believes is right?

I once heard someone refer to laws as something put into place to deal with a situation which cannot be solved.

This would be an excellent situation for that context.

If a man believes a prostitute should be killed due to his morals, there is nothing which stops him. Laws are a false boundary.

This is an excellent video which illustrates how morals and belief systems will lead someone to vigilance.




I didn't know they did a follow up interview... It appears to a situation where people use laws to justify thier vigilatism. ( being 100 yards from the church, ect... )




Perhaps laws are what lead to vigilance? Can you separate the two? Is the act of vigilance rooted directly in the laws, beliefs and morals of an individual?


Are morals false? Beliefs False and laws simply a means to justify them?

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Nootrophics

« on: February 21, 2009, 08:17:32 PM »

I am curious as to what people think of the claim that nootropics have cognitive enchancement capabilities.

This would imply that the brain is malleable and perhaps intelligence is strictly a chemical reaction and has less to do with education and training.

Your experiences, logical fallacy arguments, or opinions would be appreciated.

In particular... some claim that nootrophics have the capabilities to regenerate nerves in the brain and stimulate growth. However the results are largly inconclusive after what appears to be a few decades of research.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Plate tectonics sheer rubbish!

« on: February 21, 2009, 05:54:11 AM »

Plate tectonics itself is not fundamentally flawed.

Convection and Continental Drift might be...

And guess what, if you look at the subduction zones that do exist, we see exactly that.

Yes... Keep looking at those "sub-duction" zones and then draw some pretty lines over it to illustrate your theory as to how the plates are riding one over the other... Then ask yourself....

4.5 billion years + 200 million year old sea floor means the ocean floor has resurfaced 22 times in the earths history.

Where is all the subducted plate and why isn't it a huge blip on the seismic charts? How high are mountains? 2 miles maximum? They should be 20 miles high, folded over and buckled... obduction everywhere... it's practically nowhere.

Explain the Laramide Orogeny.... the only real landmass which falls outside that which is within the normal common characteristics of pangea and "other thoeries". The LaraMide Orogeny is impossible any way to you try to prove plate tectonics in it's entirety... whether it be plate which is less heavy and sub-ducts under the continental granite... or whether convective forces somehow suck the land under and then push it back up.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Jesus

« on: January 17, 2009, 08:17:24 AM »

Perhaps he died like a thief in a crux like the rest of the other thieves which were hung next to him?

After that they probably dropped him in a dirt ditch with a few hundred other bodies, at which point someone decided to make up an elaborate story which claimed that the Romans all pitched in to get him a nice tomb from which he "rose".

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: How Life Began

« on: January 17, 2009, 07:59:50 AM »

Very bizarre... I would think that energy and matter are bound... Why shouldn't energy, matter and life be bound as well...

This is rather loony... But it certainly is inspiring to think that pure energy can take on complex forms...





However considering that fox article holds says this...

""It kind of blew me away," said team member Tracey Lincoln of the Scripps Research Institute, who is working on her Ph.D. "What we have is non-living, but we've been able to show that it has some life-like properties, and that was extremely interesting.""


I don't think it's such a loony conclusion after all...

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Life On Mars: Methane :

« on: January 17, 2009, 07:44:46 AM »

Good video but it really stinks of the athiest/creationist war.

Honestly... I had religion figured out in grade school over twenty years ago. I am past that. What I cannot get past is the current scientific view that chooses to answer anything with the unknown.

Spontaneous generation can't be proven. Nobody can replicate the conditions which may have spontaneously generated life on earth within any sort of logical time frame.

That leaves me with one of two conclusions. The time frame for the age of the Earth is horribly wrong. Or life originated elsewhere and it permeates the entire Universe.

I realize two unknowns do not make a known. I can't know that life exists everywhere. I can only play the odds.


BTW... if i had to choose... I would choose that the age of the earth is horribly wrong... and that life does spontaneously generate as a common occurrence. But there is just so much built up around current beliefs it's easier to go through the side channel attack...

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Jesus

« on: January 17, 2009, 03:03:31 AM »

Let us suppose that Jesus was in fact, the son of god.

Jesus is the SUN of GOD... He's the reason for the season and all that jazz...

If you pray really hard I would suspect it falls in line with meditation. Who isn't going to feel a little better after a little bit of focus / un-focus?

If you meditate really really hard... Then your going Jesus on your french toast.

http://images.google.ca/images?q=jesus+toast

For those who haven't seen one of the best movies of the century...

"Myth of Religion; The Solar Messiahs God's Sun Christ Horus"

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Do Nuclear Bombs Exist?

« on: January 17, 2009, 02:58:56 AM »

This professor at Berkley seems to think that Calutrons were discovered when the UN went after Saddam Hussein...

A calutron being the device used to refine Uranium into a usable nuclear weapons grade material.


Interesting... jmo...

"Nukes 4of6: Enrichment, Nuclear Iraq and Nuclear Reactors" - Richard Muller

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Expanding Earth

« on: January 17, 2009, 02:52:08 AM »

It is certainly debatable... I found this Nuclear Physicists Youtube Channel...

http://www.youtube.com/user/MarvinHerndon

Apparently he has alternative theories to plate tectonics as well. Only his theory abandons a Growing Earth hypothesis in favour for a decompression. It's more of an Expanding Earth theory rather than a Growing Earth theory.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Life On Mars: Methane :

« on: January 17, 2009, 02:51:17 AM »

Nasa has found methane deposits on Mars.




This is an excellent video. At first I thought it was a creationist video. But it's not... It argues that it's impossible for life to have magically generated itself from a primordial soup on earth. It claims that life must have come from everywhere.

"Origin of Life 1. Life Came From Other Planets. Myth of the Organic Soup & Abiogenesis"

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The Lounge / Re: Lysergic Bombardment; Meth Attack//Drugs

« on: November 01, 2008, 03:18:37 PM »

Who says their is a war on drugs. If I am not mistaken the cocaine drug use in the United states began to flourish right around the Cuban missile crisis. Perhaps their was a few under the table deals to prevent nuclear war. You know...

You pat my back I won't blow North America up with nuclear missiles.

As for Meth... gangs have to make money somehow. Why legalize drugs when they feed so many biker chicks?

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Sub-Duction Does Not Exist

« on: October 29, 2008, 07:10:38 PM »

What?  I'm lost.  Are you saying the continental/oceanic plates are the same age, and therefore subduction can't occur?  Or is there something about the two parting oceanic plates being the same age?

I was more interested in the deep sea trenches. The marina trench in particular. The sea floor spreads which run down the middle of the Atlantic and East Pacific are the same age. That's fine. It's the areas which are said to sub-duct which are of interest. The trenches and troughs.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Sub-Duction Does Not Exist

« on: October 29, 2008, 08:48:53 AM »

small scale

What exactly is small scale sub-duction? Convection in a beaker?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Cape Kennedy

« on: October 28, 2008, 07:24:46 PM »

Left wing conspiracy websites and forums are "a dime a dozen".

You make it sound like ass kissing, conformist and back patting forums are better.

There is an equal amount of disinformation on a forum like this and a "professional" forum dealing with any other subject.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Panspermia

« on: October 28, 2008, 07:19:31 PM »

This is the opposite argument to intelligent design. One makes the assumption that everything is impossible so something absolutely unique and extra-ordinary must of happened.

The other assumes that because something happened once it's bound to happen again.

Who created God? And how many levels of God are there between the bible's God and my sneeze being the creator of life?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Cape Kennedy

« on: October 28, 2008, 06:23:42 PM »

What do you say to the millions of people who have watched the launches from Cape Kennedy...

How do you explain the millions of people who claim to see Jesus every now and then? Same thing really. Substitute faith for national pride and viola... people will see anything.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Sub-Duction Does Not Exist

« on: October 28, 2008, 06:04:26 PM »

I didn't really read your post because I feel like you haven't really studied the topic. I skimmed through and saw these mistakes within a few seconds.

I've only been studying for a few months. I think I may have misunderstood the resolution on the map. 2 arc resolution in mathematics is to do with the circumference and degrees between the angle. Or at least that's how it's explained on the gravity probe B website. Apparently the science community decided to do something slightly different with Mercator latitudinal arcs.

I am still looking for some kind of proof or disproof regarding the age of the sea floor on both sides of the trenches.

Yes... I have studied... I just always hyphenate sub-duction because the Firefox spell checker doesn't seem to like it either way.

I have seen small scale subduction firsthand in my geology class trips so I lost interest pretty fast.

That would be impossible unless you had set up a time lapse camera for a few hundred years. How did you see the land sub-duct under another slab at the rate of 5mm per year? Sub-duction is purely inferred. Especially when you start to consider the mechanics of hinge roll back and back arc basin spreading. ( like Tonga, and Mariana )

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Sub-Duction Does Not Exist

« on: October 26, 2008, 12:25:11 PM »

Huh? You are saying that because the rock running alongside the deep-sea trenches, like say the mid-atlantic ridge, where the plates are spreading apart, are the same age, subduction, which if memory serves occurs when an oceanic plate meets a continental plate, doesn't happen?

No... "TRENCHES" are areas where a slab of basaltic rock is said to slide under a continental granitic slab or another slab of basaltic rock.

A sea floor "SPREAD" is where the basaltic sea floor diverges and moves away from each other. Spreading. The gap is then filled in with lava. These circle the entire planet.

Yes... I am saying that the age of the sea floor is the same age on both sides of trenches and sea floor spreads. This makes sub-duction impossible at the trenches as one plate sliding under another cannot be the same age adjacent to each other.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Sub-Duction Does Not Exist

« on: October 26, 2008, 06:39:32 AM »

This is a map hosted at NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration). I have zoomed into the areas of interest.

The original map can be found here.

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/mgg/ocean_age/data/2008/ngdc-generated_images/whole_world/2008_age_of_oceans_plates.jpg

The peer reviewed paper responsible for the map can be found here.

www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2008/2007GC001743.shtml



It claims a two arc minimum latitudinal resolution. The age of the sea floor on both sides of a deep sea trench are the same age. Deep sea trenches are currently believed to be the area at which a plate sub-ducts under one another as illustrated in this picture here.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back-arc_basin


One plate cannot be sub-ducting under the other if both sides of the sea floor running alongside the trenches are the same age. Conclusion. There is no subduction occurring at deep sea trenches.

Sub-Duction Map

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The Lounge / Re: Have you smelled a vulva today?

« on: October 19, 2008, 05:14:26 AM »

Now you can everyday!
http://www.smellmeand.com/index_2.html

Nice Box...

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: Are you FEer or REer

« on: October 19, 2008, 05:10:10 AM »

I think I am a growing earther... I still have a while to go before I know for sure...