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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why Jesus & Not Others!?
« on: September 11, 2008, 06:03:31 AM »
Why Jesus is considered a God in Christianity? starts listing me all of your reasons, maybe one of the reasons is valid and I would say: "Yeah, he deserves to be worshiped for that" :)
I speak with a humble tongue and a kind heart to impart peace and love (Truth).

1 John.5:[20] He is the true God and eternal life.

Unfortunately Christianity is a false religion because of this very statement, GOD is alone and therefore anyone claiming to be GOD or [worse] putting themselves before GOD (acting as an obstacle) is truly of the Devil.

"I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me." (John 14:6)

Although AbdulAziz Jesus did not lie when he said he is a son of GOD, he is a son (angel) but a fallen one for preaching the verses above like many of his brothers who too are sons, Satan, Azazel (Judaism) etc. So how does this help Islam? It doesn't, it means that religion too is false, GOD would never allow a fallen angel to hold a sacred status in another religion, and besides, (angel) whose root meaning is "messenger" would make Mohamed an angel also.

Ask yourself this brother; why would GOD wait so many years to send the true religion 600 A.D? Ask yourself this; why would the most intelligent Being in the Universe save Noah and keep Him in darkness by not giving Him the Holy Word? The Devil is very deceptive, many have been fooled by him even today and walk that wide path that leads to the Abyss, this is why there are so many followers in false religions, but GOD forgives, this is why these devils have to keep you in that frame of mind continuously (false religions) because once you break thru and see the lie, at that moment if you want to make it right GOD is right there with you (Truth).

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Just for my personal information.

Which bible does the book of Enoch come from?
The Book Of Enoch was removed from the bible because the bible was riddled with too many inconsistencies and lies, therefore GOD initially predicted that it would be removed, consequently it is because of that removal that the world is in opposition to GOD but that is of our own doing, we take the time to learn about so many things yet question not the obvious.
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/contradictions.html

THIS BOOK PREDICTED THE TEMPLE BURNING IN 70 AD, IT ALSO PREDICTED ITS REMOVAL FROM THE CHURCH.
They first removed the Book in 90 AD at the Council of Jamnia, and later in 364 A.D at the Council of Laodicea, that's why the sheep are Asleep.

1Enoch.92:[10]After that, in the sixth week, all those who are in it shall be darkened, the hearts of all of them shall be forgetful of wisdom, and in it shall a Man arise and come forth. [11]And during its completion He shall burn the house of dominion with fire, and all the race of the elect root shall be dispersed.

The Book Of Enoch speaks of 10 Week calender assigned to mankind that coincides with our own Gregorian calendar, each week consists of 777 years, (0) of our calender reflects the top verse of the 6th Week and is also the time Jesus walked the Earth.

The Calender 
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message550546/pg1

The Timeline
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message550561/pg1

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1Enoch.89:[39]I also saw, that the LORD of the sheep produced a new House, great, and loftier than the former, which HE bound by the former circular spot.

2Enoch.27:[1]I made foundation of light around the water, and created seven circles from inside, and imaged the water like crystal wet and dry, that is to say like glass.

7 circles are the continents, the former circle was outside of Eden, a continent (Antarctica) that spot has been cleansed by the deluge and needing not to be cleansed again at the second arrival of Almighty GOD and HIS Majestic Angels, GOD will build the 2nd Temple on those Holy grounds.

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This really belongs in complete nonsense.
You've been there huh, you know what that's like!

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Truth is always called on to be banned or censored, but soon TRUTH will govern this Earth, so get used to it!


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In short because its the Abyss that leads to the bottomless (gravity).

The bottomless is the greatest force of attraction and because the Abyss was designed at the center of a flat Earth to serve a purpose, your compass points to the center of the Earth. The needle of a compass will always pull towards this center, the so-called North pole, and the needle will always point downwards, here's why.

[true north is not at the same point on the earth as the magnetic north Pole which is where your compass points]
http://www.ussartf.org/compass_basics.htm

Your compass doesn't point North, it points to the Abyss!

Science tells us that the North pole is magnetizes due to the following; the planet spins of her axis and produces this effect, others; its the hot, liquid, outer iron core of the Earth that creates this magnetic pull, I say "horse hockey!"

1)"Spinning in outer space?" In the "nothingness" will produce nothing, in fact, the poles of this hypothetical sphere will have the least of grounds moving or turning producing the least of anything suspended in an orbit of nothingness, and besides, what of the atmosphere that encompasses the whole globe, the poles under this umbrella will be no different then any other region of the sphere.

2)Science also tells you that under the Ice Cap of the North pole is water running beneath it, "so where is the attraction coming from?" Not the ice, that's just solid water, no magnets there, not the water underneath it, that too is just water, and 3 miles deep at the bottom of the Atlantic ocean is like the beach you walk on vacation, and don't tell me the hot, liquid, outer iron core on the ocean floor creates the cold condition above it, or the attraction!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurentian_Abyss

Listen to what the Great Architect says.

GOD:And I placed for myself a Throne, and took my seat on it, and said to the light: Go thence up higher and fix yourself high above the Throne, and be a foundation to the highest things. And above the light there is nothing else, and then I bent up and looked up from My Throne. And I summoned the very lowest a second time, come forth hard from the invisible. Be opened, let there be born from you, and an age came forth, very great and very dark. Go thence down below, and make yourself firm, and be a foundation for the lower things, and below the darkness there is nothing else.

Remember this, GOD commands the light to go above and the darkness to go below.

GOD:And I commanded that there should be taken from light and darkness, and I said: Be thick, and it became thus, and I spread it out with the light, and it became water, and I spread it out over the darkness, below the light, and then I made firm the waters, that is to say the bottomless.

The LORD creates the firmament holding the waters from falling to the bottomless.

GOD:Out of the waves I created rock and from the rock I piled up the dry, and I called Earth, and the midst of the Earth I called Abyss, that is to say the bottomless. And I made foundation of light around the water, and created seven circles from inside, and imaged the water like crystal wet and dry, that is to say like glass. (Ice Wall)

The LORD places the Abyss in the center of the Earth, an opening to the bottomless (darkness) and a foundation of (light) around the waters, around the Earth (Ice Wall).
http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/5118/earthiy9.jpg

The Abyss is heavily magnetizes to generate intense fire like a nuke reactor, only the fire of the Abyss can atomize the Fallen Angels. The needle of a compass when pointing North is pointing to the Abyss and will always be pulled downwards (darkness), the needle pointing South (Ice Wall all around) will always be pulled upwards (light).
http://science.howstuffworks.com/fusion-reactor3.htm

Might As Well Face It, Your Addicted (2) Truth.

Paradise Eden link: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22446.msg458642#msg458642
Flat Earth link: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22393.0
No Planets link: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22447.0

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times = x
divide = ~
kilometers = #
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To find out if  the planet Venus really exist, we would have to find out at what orbital distance Venus would look the same size of the Sun as the Moon does from Earth.

Now, for the Moon to carry the illusion of seemingly being the same size as the Sun, a distance of 149,600,000 kilometers is needed, it is NEEDED, because by arguing that its the distance between the Moon and Earth that causes the illusion won't hold true for very long.

If you would for a moment picture that the Earth was orbiting where Venus is (108,200,000) orbital plane, Earth by scientific calculations would fit along the Sun's DIAMETER about 30 times, the Moon regardless that she be so close to Earth would be dwarfed from the size of the Sun, because the Sun would completely cover our blue skies, so, its not the relationship distance that the Moon holds with Earth that creates the illusion, but the distance the Moon holds with the Sun, its that distance that creates the optical illusion of being the same size.

Venus to encompass that optical illusion she would have to distance herself away from the Sun in equivalency to that of the Moon, the Moon is 399.88 smaller then the Sun, we would have to divide the distance of the Moon from the Sun by 399.88 and then multiply by how many times Venus is smaller then the Sun.   

Sun (diameter) 1,390,000 ~ Moon (diameter) 3476 = 399.88
Sun (diameter) 1,390,000 ~ Venus (diameter) 12,103 = 114.84

Sun - Moon (distance) 149,600,000  ~  399.88  =  [374,112.23]  x  114.84  =  42,963,048.49

Venus at 42 million kilometer from the Sun would create the optical illusion of having the appearance of the size we see our Sun in our sky. Science tells us that Venus occupies the 108,200,000 kilometer position from the Sun a (difference) of 65,236,951.6 km from her original orbit a quick division establishes her true size at 108,200,000 km.

108,200,000 ~ 42,963,048.49 = 2.51

Venus would appear 2 and ˝ times the size of the Sun as seen from Earth.

End of Illusion 1
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Some hard-core science fundamentalist will argue that the distance relationship between the Earth and Moon is also a factor in conjunction with the distance from the Sun, the argument being that both are needed to create this well calibrated illusion, and for Venus to reflect the illusion this theory must be factored in, I say, lets find out.

Venus (diameter) 12,103.6 km ~ Moon (diameter) 3476 km = 3.4820 times larger then Moon, for Venus to look the same size of the Sun as the Moon does from Earth, we would have to calculate the distance of the Moon from the Earth and multiply it 3.4820 times. Venus is 3.4820 times larger then the Moon, therefore, a distance 3.4820 times away from Earth is needed to create the same optical illusion the Moon does with the Sun.

Moon distance from Earth: 384,400 km x 3.4820 = 1,338,480.8 km.

Venus would have to be 1,338,480.8 kilometers away from Earth to look the same size of the Sun as the Moon does from Earth. And since the Earth is 149,600,000 km away from the Sun, Venus would have to orbit at 148,261,519.2 from the Sun.

[149,600,000] - [1,338,480.8] = 148,261,519.2 km.

At this orbit is where the fundamentalist have calculated that Venus will appear 1/1 in diameter to the Sun, and at the 108,200,000 kilometer mark Venus is 1/30 in diameter to Sun, consistent with the transit sightings and the fact that field experts who went out in space and have measured the Sun put Venus at 1/114 diameter to the Sun, this math is incorrect, science ascribes that the diameter of the Sun shrinks the closer Venus gets to Earth, the diameter of the Sun remains the same but the illusion of grandeur that Venus projects because she gets closer to Earth is what must be considered, I have considered this and tabulated it carefully and accurately.

If I stand 5'11 before you, am I not still 5'11 a mile away from you, yes, I am!

Venus doesn't become the true size of the Sun, only the illusion that distance creates because the Sun is so far away, so one must calculate where Venus should be to capture the wholeness of the Sun's illusion and that point/orbit becomes 100% of the optical illusion as seen from Earth, and where by Venus standing next to the Sun being zero%, because at that closeness there would be no more illusion but reality.

So, Venus at 148,261,519.2 km in orbit would project 100% optical illusion of being the same size as the Sun seen from Earth, when resuming to her original orbit at 108,200,000 km Venus would lose a certain percentage of that optic when viewed from Earth, to calculate that lose we’ll put the hypothetical orbit on a percentage scale and divide into her original position from the Sun.

108,200,000 km ~ 148,261,519.2 km = 72.97% Venus RETAINS in size compared to our Sun as it appears like in our skies. OPTICS

End of Illusion 2
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ILLUSION 3; http://pastebin.com/f58581b97
 
Conclusion: the satanic veil of deception is very thick and powerful, misleading many, such as we were all at some point, some, maybe finally coming around to understanding that science is a religion, no less, I've encountered many "radicals" who will resort to name calling worse then 5th graders, and would physically assault you if not for their feeble pencil neck bodies, these scientistic fundamentalist are like their leaders of this new religion who are going forth with the sword, (rockets, jets, nukes), this is their Crusade.

Whatever ILLUSION you choose, remember that GOD’S light shines for everyone, this is my ILLUSION of Venus.
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/263/mycollagezi2.jpg


Regards,

The Punisher.

Paradise Eden link: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22446.msg458642#msg458642
Flat Earth link: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22393.0
Abyss link: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22517.msg461260#msg461260

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Paradise Eden, the Secret Garden, every religion and their leaders are blind to this knowledge of its whereabouts only those truly connected with GOD have a sense for it, for deep within WE all know it exists. According to governments who have lied to you your entire life with their satanic educational system puts Antarctica the south pole where it cannot be on Earth and under a sheet of ice, this inconsistent with scriptures, GOD created the seven circles read with more detail of Enoch's description.

2Enoch.27:[1]I made foundation of light around the water, and created seven circles from inside, and imaged the water like crystal wet and dry, that is to say like glass, and the circumcession of the waters.

1Enoch.76:[8]Seven great islands I saw in the sea and on the earth. Seven in the great sea.

For Enoch to have seen all seven, He saw them on the earth, He could never have seen Antarctica under a sheet of ice. So why the conspiracy? Well for one thing it provides equilibrium to the round Earth theory, and another more deceptive, ridicule intended towards us in rebellion against GOD. You see people the first time GOD descended was during the time Enoch and Noah walked the Earth, when Adam was still alive and outside of Eden, outside of Paradise.

Here is where the first of the Fallen angels began their second rebellion against GOD proxy Mankind, this section of the Earth has already been cleansed by the Deluge and need not be cleansed a second time whereby when GOD and HIS Mighty Angels will descend soon a second time. The Fallen angels with the intent to deceive created the illusion of this Pole, therewith capped Paradise Eden (off) where the righteous are headed with the illusion of ice mimicking GOD when creating the Earth capped (off) the North pole [abyss] destined for the unrighteous. Remember the South pole station lies on a sheet of ice near the Ice Wall surrounding the Earth not on Antarctica.

2Enoch.28:[2]Out of the waves I created rock hard and big, and from the rock I piled up the dry, and the dry I called earth, and the midst of the earth I called abyss.

The abyss is in the center of the Earth, the abyss is the North Pole and for the time being its nonoperational, its off (COLD). Paradise Eden is Antarctica, not where governments have stationed the south pole study groups, this is a masquerade to keep you in steady and prolonged dormant state so as for to never find your true self or destination.

1Enoch.64:[1]In those days Noah saw that the earth became inclined, and that destruction approached.[2]Then he lifted up his feet, and went to the ends of the earth, to the dwelling of his great-grandfather Enoch.

and went to the ends of the earth
and went to the ends of the earth
 
1Enoch.105:[7]When Mathusala heard the words of his son, he came to me at the extremities of the earth; for he had been informed that I was there: and he cried out.

he came to me at the extremities of the earth
he came to me at the extremities of the earth

The True Antarctica is Paradise Eden, it is situated near the Ice Wall like Australia is, there are seasons and life in True Antarctica, there lay the Tree of Life.

2Enoch.65:[6]There will be one aeon, and all the righteous who shall escape the LORD'S Great judgment, shall be collected in the Great aeon, for the righteous the Great aeon will begin, and they will live eternally, and then too there will be amongst them neither labour, nor sickness.

Just like the first rapture that took place on Earth where the "chosen" remembered the "Covenant of Noah's Ark" by remembering their Creator and were taken out of Egypt, I too remembered GOD, and there will come an aeon where a second rapture will occur before the Second Coming where the righteous who live in that aeon will be collected in that place.

This is us, to be just & righteous you must believe in GOD of this Book, not another, because what your reading comes from this Book, so when you hear other religions talking about this Rapture they won’t be included because they will not recognize this Book, the Covenant of Noah‘s Ark, True GOD.

2Enoch.65:[7]And they shall have a great indestructible wall, and a paradise bright and incorruptible, for all corruptible things shall pass away, and there will be eternal life.

a great indestructible wall, and a paradise
a great indestructible wall, and a paradise

The link doesn't show Antarctica as a pole nor as a continent, the Artist may have not been sure where exactly it lay, regardless, the Hidden Garden resides in that big empty ocean between South America and Australia.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/dogplatter/flatmap.jpg

2Enoch.66:[8]Blessed are the just who shall escape the great judgment, for they shall shine forth more than the sun sevenfold.

No Planets link: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22447.0
Flat Earth link: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22393.0
Abyss link: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22517.msg461260#msg461260

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No. Venus looks exactly the way it does now. As a point to the naked eye or as a small disc through a telescope.

Your maths is incorrect. Go back up to grade 10 and see if you can find out where you went wrong. There's a good lad.

You said grade 10 because I said I would explain Venus to you like a 9 year old, you figured after 9 years old comes grade 10, yours is the math that's incorrect you can't even think straight, you should go back to grade school, no wait, kindergarten, heck that's to difficult at this point, make it daycare. ROTF

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Your explanations seems quite convoluted to me but I think what you are saying is that there is a problem with stated planetary dimensions because Venus doesn't completely block out the Sun? It probably would if it was a lot closer to the Earth than it ever is. Some single digit multiplication of the Moon's orbit I'm guessing.

Let me dumb it down as though I were 9 years old, if Venus existed, she would from Earth look like this.

http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/263/mycollagezi2.jpg

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: UNDENIABLE proof the Earth is FLAT.
« on: August 19, 2008, 08:27:44 PM »

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...and for Venus to reflect that illusion this theory must be factored in, I say, lets find out.

That's where you lose me. The planet Venus appears to be an especially bright star. Even when it is as closest as it ever gets to Earth, it still appears as a bright star (but so bright it can be seen in the daytime, sometimes).

Your math appears to be quite interesting (I'm a math guy), but I can't even begin to follow your calculations if I don't understand your premise.  ???

Try this version, I think we'll get now!
http://pastebin.com/f58581b97

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: UNDENIABLE proof the Earth is FLAT.
« on: August 19, 2008, 07:50:22 PM »

Let me get this straight, to prove Venus exists, it must appear the same size as our Sun and Moon? And then after you ran your calculations, you found it must appear 2.5 times as big as the Sun? I don't follow.

Let's try a different scenario.

Some hard-core science fundamentalist will argue that the distance relationship between the Earth and Moon is a factor in conjunction with the distance from the Sun for the Moon to appear the same size as the Sun from Earth, the argument being that both are needed to create this well calibrated illusion, and for Venus to reflect that illusion this theory must be factored in, I say, lets find out.

Venus (diameter) 12,103.6 km ~ Moon (diameter) 3476 km = 3.4820 times larger then Moon, for Venus to look the same size of the Sun as the Moon does from Earth, we would have to calculate the distance of the Moon from the Earth and multiply it 3.4820 times. Venus is 3.4820 times larger then the Moon, therefore, a distance 3.4820 times away from Earth is needed to create the same optical illusion the Moon does with the Sun.

Moon distance from Earth: 384,400 km x 3.4820 = 1,338,480.8 km.

Venus would have to be 1,338,480.8 kilometers away from Earth to look the same size of the Sun as the Moon does from Earth. And since the Earth is 149,600,000 km away from the Sun, Venus would have to orbit at 148,261,519.2 from the Sun.

[149,600,000] - [1,338,480.8] = 148,261,519.2 km.

At this orbit is where the fundamentalist have calculated that Venus will appear 1/1 in diameter to the Sun, and at the 108,200,000 kilometer mark Venus is 1/30 in diameter to Sun, consistent with the transit sightings and the fact that field experts who went out in space and have measured the Sun put Venus at 1/114 diameter to the Sun, this math is incorrect, science ascribes that the diameter of the Sun shrinks the closer Venus gets to Earth, the diameter of the Sun remains the same but the illusion of grandeur that Venus projects because she gets closer to Earth is what must be considered, I have considered this and tabulated it carefully and accurately.

If I stand 5'11 before you, am I not still 5'11 a mile away from you, yes, I am!

Venus doesn't become the true size of the Sun, only the illusion that distance creates because the Sun is so far away, so one must calculate where Venus should be to capture the wholeness of the Sun's illusion and that point/orbit becomes 100% of the optical illusion as seen from Earth, and where by Venus standing next to the Sun being zero%, because at that closeness there would be no more illusion but reality.

So, Venus at 148,261,519.2 km in orbit would project 100% optical illusion of being the same size as the Sun seen from Earth, when resuming to her original orbit at 108,200,000 km Venus would lose a certain percentage of that optic when viewed from Earth, to calculate that lose we’ll put the hypothetical orbit on a percentage scale and divide into her original position from the Sun.

108,200,000 km ~ 148,261,519.2 km = 72.97% Venus RETAINS in size compared to our Sun as it appears like in our skies. OPTICS

End of Illusion 2

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: UNDENIABLE proof the Earth is FLAT.
« on: August 19, 2008, 05:28:40 PM »
I would just go back to my home forum if I was you. 

But your not me, in fact, if I'd have to pretend to be you, I'd be right here, with me! ROTF
 

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: UNDENIABLE proof the Earth is FLAT.
« on: August 19, 2008, 05:08:46 PM »
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Please inform these folks who actually live there.
http://www.southpolestation.com/

Do you mean the government employees who live at the government funded and controlled base there?

Thanks Tom Bishop, you opened my eyes on the flat Earth truth, GOD Bless.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: UNDENIABLE proof the Earth is FLAT.
« on: August 19, 2008, 04:59:52 PM »

You provided the wrong excerpts from my thread, you should have focused on this one, you know, the one where if the Earth revolved around the Sun there would only be 3 months day/3 months night in the poles, unlike what's been documented by a good buddy who's been there, but only in the North is this possible, because in the south pole as we've been taught as Antarctica, its not THERE.

Please inform these folks who actually live there.
http://www.southpolestation.com/

Good scientific questions! Keep them coming.  :)

I'm not too impressed with that link, here's one about the Mars landing.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/phoenix/main/index.html

Only planets don't exist, especially the round ones, lol.

All numbers in KM
times = x
divide = ~

To find out if the planet Venus really exist, we would have to find out at what orbital distance Venus would look the same size of the Sun as the Moon does from Earth.

Now, for the Moon to carry the illusion of seemingly being the same size as the Sun, a distance of 149,600,000 kilometers is needed, it is NEEDED, because by arguing that its the distance between the Moon and Earth that causes the illusion won't hold true for very long.

If you would for a moment picture that the Earth was orbiting where Venus is (108,200,000) orbital plane, Earth by scientific calculations would fit along the Sun's DIAMETER about 30 times, the Moon regardless that she be so close to Earth would be dwarfed from the size of the Sun, because the Sun would completely cover our blue skies, so, its not the relationship distance that the Moon holds with Earth that creates the illusion, but the distance the Moon holds with the Sun, its that distance that creates the optical illusion of being the same size.

Venus to encompass that optical illusion she would have to distance herself away from the Sun in equivalency to that of the Moon, the Moon is 399.88 smaller then the Sun, we would have to divide the distance of the Moon from the Sun by 399.88 and then multiply by how many times Venus is smaller then the Sun.

Sun (diameter) 1,390,000 ~ Moon (diameter) 3476 = 399.88
Sun (diameter) 1,390,000 ~ Venus (diameter) 12,103 = 114.84

Sun - Moon (distance) 149,600,000 ~ 399.88 = [374,112.23] x 114.84 = 42,963,048.49

Venus at 42 million kilometer from the Sun would create the optical illusion of having the appearance of the size we see our Sun in our sky. Science tells us that Venus occupies the 108,200,000 kilometer position from the Sun a (difference) of 65,236,951.6 km from her original orbit a quick division establishes her true size at 108,200,000 km.

108,200,000 ~ 42,963,048.49 = 2.51

Venus would appear 2 and ˝ times the size of the Sun as seen from Earth.

End of Illusion 1

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: UNDENIABLE proof the Earth is FLAT.
« on: August 19, 2008, 03:35:13 PM »
Interesting post, in that you've proved Round Earth theory with most of your argument, especially that graphic of the solstices and equinoxes (taken from a "bird's eye view" north of the plane of the ecliptic).
You provided the wrong excerpts from my thread, you should have focused on this one, you know, the one where if the Earth revolved around the Sun there would only be 3 months day/3 months night in the poles, unlike what's been documented by a good buddy who's been there, but only in the North is this possible, because in the south pole as we've been taught as Antarctica, its not THERE.

The link below shows the North pole or North axis tilted away from the Sun in Dec, therefore no day-light, and in June towards the Sun, therefore no nights, but in the March and Sept position the North axis gets half light - half night, this would mean that 6 months of day-light could NEVER happen under this THEORY, it would be 3 months of only day and another 3 months of only night, the rest of the year would be in between.
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/images/seasons.jpg

Also, according to science theory of Earth, the Moon at some point would find herself between the Earth and Sun, this would mean that the waning and waxing crescents would only be seen in the day time, for when the Earth would spin on her axis turning away from the Sun you couldn't see the Moon's crescents, but you do, and you do at night.
http://home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/moonphase/MoonAni.gif

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: UNDENIABLE proof the Earth is FLAT.
« on: August 19, 2008, 02:20:48 PM »
You're not funny.
Pick-up a newspaper and see what's going on in the world, it isn't funny!!!

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Click on the link to get a quick visual, its old, but so is the Earth.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v499/dogplatter/flatmap.jpg

The Sun and Moon are the same size as I previously quoted from Enoch's book, the Sun rides a circle around the flat Earth by 6 different gates, I could only find this link that would give you a visual, it only contain 3 separating the seasons but you'll have a good idea.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c8/Flat_Earth_Seasons.svg

This link will show the reality of the Sun's journey.
http://earthdeception.googlepages.com/winter_solstice_pivato.jpg/winter_solstice_pivato-custom;size:640,277.jpg

As the Sun rides its path in a circle around the Earth when closer to the center the North pole receives only day-light during that period and we experience summer in North America, and when the Sun ventures further (the big circle) its light doesn’t reach the North pole and thereby experiences only night while we experience winter.

2Enoch.Chapter 48

[1]That the sun go along the seven heavenly circles, which are the appointment of one hundred and eighty-two thrones, that it go down on a short day, and again one hundred and eighty-two, that it go down on a big day.

[2]And thus it goes close to the earth, then the earth is glad and makes grow its fruits, and when it goes away, then the earth is sad, and trees and all fruits have no florescence.

North pole is actually in the center of the flat Earth and only in the "North pole" is the 6 months day/night possible, because in the South pole as we've been taught as Antarctica is a creation of science, the south pole station of Amundsen-Scott is located close to the Ice Wall surrounding the Earth and government funded to maintain this illusion. 

The North pole is the only place where 6 months of light and darkness can and has been documented, according to science if the Earth spun on her axis this could not take place. The link shows the North axis is tilted away from the Sun in Dec, thereby no day-light, and in June towards the Sun, thereby no nights, but in the March and Sept position the North axis gets half light/half night, under this failed THEORY the Earth is flat.
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/images/seasons.jpg

Also, according to science theory of Earth, the Moon at some point would find herself between the Earth and Sun, this would mean that the waning and waxing crescents would only be seen in the day time, for when the Earth would spin on her axis turning away from the Sun you couldn't see the Moon's crescents, but you do, and you do at night.
http://home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/moonphase/MoonAni.gif

If the Earth was round there would be flights cutting short the distances by going over the poles, click on these flight paths to discover what has been hidden from you.
http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/USA/img/FedEx.gif
http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/Latin_America/img/Aerolineas_Argentinas.jpg

As you will note no flights take place over the poles, you can't on flat Earth, for Asia to get to North America the quickest route would be to go over the North pole, but as you can see it flies around.
http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/West_Asia/Air_India.shtml

I will now explain why they don't fly over the North pole even on a flat Earth, but first I want to share with you the Flat Earth map attributed to a person named Wilbur Voliva by quoting Holy scriptures.

2Enoch. Chapter 27

[1]I made foundation of light around the water, and created seven circles from inside, and imaged the water like crystal wet and dry, that is to say like glass, and the circumcession of the waters and the other elements, and I showed each one of them its road, and the seven stars each one of them in its heaven, that they go thus, and I saw that it was good.

and imaged the water like crystal wet and dry, that is to say like glass
and imaged the water like crystal wet and dry, that is to say like glass

This is the ICE WALL you see around the flat Earth, the seven circles are the Continents.

Chapter 28

[1]And then I made firm the heavenly circle, and made that the lower water which is under heaven collect itself together, into one whole, and that the chaos become dry, and it became so.

[2]Out of the waves I created rock hard and big, and from the rock I piled up the dry, and the dry I called earth, and the midst of the earth I called abyss, that is to say the bottomless, I collected the sea in one place and bound it together with a yoke.

and the midst of the earth I called abyss
and the midst of the earth I called abyss

The abyss is where the Fallen Angels are heading, it is also the North pole and that for the time being GOD has capped it (off) with ice, the fallen angels when designing our world made it that when they would be flying around the globe they did not want to see the abyss as a reminder of where they'd be going so they carefully structured the paths around the North pole.

These Are The Days Of Noah.

Paradise Eden link: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22446.msg458642#msg458642
No Planets link: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22447.0
Abyss link: http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=22517.0

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: IMPORTANT: Flat vs Round.
« on: August 19, 2008, 12:47:39 PM »
So what is that that I see when I look through my telescope?
Either your thumb print, or your lying!

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: IMPORTANT: Flat vs Round.
« on: August 19, 2008, 12:37:40 PM »
I have no idea what coolaid you are drinking, but you really should put it away.  FYI, when the moon is between the earth and the sun, it's called an eclipse.  The rest of the time it is light reflected off the earth in relation to the position of the moon.  Seriously.  Do they have a society for this theory as well?
You have no idea what your talking about you probably believe in the planets, lol, they don't exist.

Here's 1 ILLUSION of the planets.

  • = times.
  • [~] = divide.
  • = kilometers.



To find out if the planet Venus really exist, we would have to find out at what orbital distance Venus would look the same size of the Sun as the Moon does from Earth.

Now, for the Moon to carry the illusion of seemingly being the same size as the Sun, a distance of 149,600,000 kilometers is needed, it is NEEDED, because by arguing that its the distance between the Moon and Earth that causes the illusion won't hold true for very long.

If you would for a moment picture that the Earth was orbiting where Venus is (108,200,000) orbital plane, Earth by scientific calculations would fit along the Sun's DIAMETER about 30 times, the Moon regardless that she be so close to Earth would be dwarfed from the size of the Sun, because the Sun would completely cover our blue skies, so, its not the relationship distance that the Moon holds with Earth that creates the illusion, but the distance the Moon holds with the Sun, its that distance that creates the optical illusion of being the same size.

Venus to encompass that optical illusion she would have to distance herself away from the Sun in equivalency to that of the Moon, the Moon is 399.88 smaller then the Sun, we would have to divide the distance of the Moon from the Sun by 399.88 and then multiply by how many times Venus is smaller then the Sun.

Sun (diameter) 1,390,000 ~ Moon (diameter) 3476 = 399.88
Sun (diameter) 1,390,000 ~ Venus (diameter) 12,103 = 114.84

Sun - Moon (distance) 149,600,000 ~ 399.88 = [374,112.23] x 114.84 = 42,963,048.49

Venus at 42 million kilometer from the Sun would create the optical illusion of having the appearance of the size we see our Sun in our sky. Science tells us that Venus occupies the 108,200,000 kilometer position from the Sun a (difference) of 65,236,951.6 km from her original orbit a quick division establishes her true size at 108,200,000 km.

108,200,000 ~ 42,963,048.49 = 2.51

Venus would appear 2 and ˝ times the size of the Sun as seen from Earth.

End of Illusion 1

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: IMPORTANT: Flat vs Round.
« on: August 19, 2008, 12:26:39 PM »
So now we are going to have debates that the earth is the center of the solar system, and all bodies rotate around it?  Has every one lost their minds.  Who is making the coolaid?
I'm throwing up the cool-aid, link here another testimony.
http://home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/moonphase/MoonAni.gif

The Moon at some point would find herself between the Earth and Sun according to science, this would mean that the waning and waxing crescents would only be seen in the day time, for when the Earth would spin on her axis turning away from the Sun you couldn't see the Moon's crescents, but you do, and you do at night.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: IMPORTANT: Flat vs Round.
« on: August 19, 2008, 12:22:08 PM »
23.5 degrees is enough to create the four seasons in the earth.  The point is you can't explain why the sun shines for 6 mos. in the extreme northern hemisphere using a flat earth model.  Yet millions of people live in it every summer and live in darkness every winter.
I'm starting to believe its only the north pole that gets the 6 months day/night, the south as its been labeled has seasons like all other continents according to this link.
http://www.ralphrobertmoore.com/arc-government.html

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: IMPORTANT: Flat vs Round.
« on: August 19, 2008, 12:13:21 PM »
No one can answer this question?  REers will tell you it is because the earth has shifted on it's axis the northern hemisphere is receiving the rays of the sun in a more direct path.  You can witness this even in Alaska when the sky never really gets dark in summer.  There is no answer to this question in FE theory.  Good post.
Earth axis is false, the Earth cannot rotate around the Sun if you click on the link you'll see why.
http://www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/images/seasons.jpg

The link shows the north pole or north axis tilted away from the Sun in Dec, therefore no day-light, and in June towards the Sun, therefore no nights, but in the March and Sept position the north axis gets half light - half night, this would mean that 6 months of day-light is incorrect, it would be 3 months of only day and another 3 months of only night, the rest of the year would be in between.

Can you click on this link and tell me does this place really exist, I don't know anymore!
http://www.ralphrobertmoore.com/city.jpg

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: IMPORTANT: Flat vs Round.
« on: August 19, 2008, 11:16:12 AM »
Quote
I've looked at the diagram, and I still cannot see or understand how Antarctica would get 6 months of day-light.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f287/PraiseOfFolly/Flat%20Earth%20Society/fe-seasons.png

Antarctica doesn't receive 6 moths of daylight.

The only organization reporting such a thing is the government. The data allegedly comes from the government funded bases stationed on Antarctica.
I live in Canada, I had a friend who's been up north with the Inuits for some time there, and has confirmed of the 6 month day-light, but what you say is mind-boggling, are there no inhabitants in Antarctica that testify to what your saying?

I mean regular people living there, like when my friend went up to the North west territories.

Also, if what you say is true, would Antarctica when placed on a diagram of a flat Earth, would it receive 12 months of day/night with seasons?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: IMPORTANT: Flat vs Round.
« on: August 19, 2008, 10:55:32 AM »
Tom Bishop please help clarify this;

I've looked at the diagram, and I still cannot see or understand how Antarctica would get 6 months of day-light.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f287/PraiseOfFolly/Flat%20Earth%20Society/fe-seasons.png

When the Sun is riding the summer/north circle, I comprehend that the north pole will see 6 months of day-light, but when the Sun is riding the winter/north circle I only see Antarctica getting both day and night while the north pole gets only night.

Please Tom Bishop help me understand this. Thanks!

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: God vs the Bigbang
« on: August 19, 2008, 09:41:13 AM »
God vs the Bigbang
If there was a Bigbang, all the matter in the universe was gathering into a singularity and at the point that all the matter in the universe was gathered, it exploded. Well this must be cyclic when considering this timeline. If there were a singular Bigbang, than matter was collecting for an infinite period of time. The problem is with that infinity. After an infinite amount of time and objects accelerating towards each other, a specific infinity was reached in the time line and all objects finally met. This contradicts itself. If matter can collect for an infinite amount of time, it will continue to collect for an infinite amount of time.

If there was a Bigbang, it was not the first. Matter collected, exploded, expanded, and recollected.

There must be intelligent intervention into this process, otherwise this hopeless state would have occurred in the most distant of pasts.

People of the Earth, GOD is a second time getting ready to descend like the first time during time of Noah in Genesis, HE descend with the ArchAngels to firstly fasten the fallen angels who begot the Nephilims with earthly women, and secondly to restore the balance by cleansing the Earth saving Mankind thru Noah.

Again the balance has been disrupted and the fallen angels are trapping once again as many humans as possible with lies with the modern religion called SCIENCE. That's right, science, the men-god of this new religion have put themselves as ultimate creators and that there is no-one above them, they have indoctrinated us with creation being a random chaotic chance and explained it as the Big Bang.

Well folks, there was a Big Bang, the fallen angels instructed the men of science with some facts to ridicule ever so more the rebellion against GOD.

2Enoch.Chapter 25:

[1]I commanded in the very lowest parts, that visible things should come down from invisible.
[2]And I said. Become undone, let the visible come out of you.
[3]And a great light came out. And I was in the midst of the great light, there came forth a great age, and showed all creation, which I had thought to create.

BOOOOMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: IMPORTANT: Flat vs Round.
« on: August 18, 2008, 11:39:38 PM »
how do they get bigger twards the horizon, they can't just grow and shrink, unless you mean they appear to get bigger.

Right, the moon appears to get bigger when it is near the horizon. If you've ever seen the moon hear the horizon you'd know that it looks HUGE.

While there are a great number of explanations out there, there is not one conclusive explanation for the effect. Many sources will tell you that it's a psychological effect which occurs because the mind is comparing the moon to the small buildings and trees on the horizon. However, this explanation isn't wholly sufficient because the moon still looks just as huge if you put up your hand to block out the trees and buildings on the horizon.


Tom Bishop thanks for the links and the info, I will review all again tomorrow, I believe the Earth is flat!

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: IMPORTANT: Flat vs Round.
« on: August 18, 2008, 11:37:21 PM »
how do they get bigger twards the horizon, they can't just grow and shrink, unless you mean they appear to get bigger.
Yes of course, appears, I'm tired!

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: IMPORTANT: Flat vs Round.
« on: August 18, 2008, 10:13:36 PM »
Thanks, I saw the diagram so far so good, everything coincides with scriptures, nice fellows!

Can someone please answer the O-P on why the Sun setting seems bigger at times and seems like its going around the Earth?
http://earthdeception.googlepages.com/winter_solstice_pivato.jpg/winter_solstice_pivato-custom;size:640,277.jpg

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Flat Earth Q&A / IMPORTANT: Flat vs Round.
« on: August 18, 2008, 10:07:31 PM »
I believe the Earth is round, only stationed, I believe the Sun & Moon revolve around the Earth, but recently I'm bending towards it being flat because of scriptures and I would need some questions answered if there are answers.

1) How does the Sun revolve around a flat Earth for the poles 6 months light - night?

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FAQ:

Q: "Please explain sunrises/sunsets."

A: It's a perspective effect.  Really, the sun is just getting farther away; it looks like it disappears because everything gets smaller and eventually disappears as it gets farther away.

When I see the Sun set, I don't see it getting smaller if it were getting further away, I see it actually getting bigger and slipping a slice at a time into the Horizon, the portion that remains above the Horizon keeps its size. Explain?

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