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Flat Earth Debate / Re: i bet you cant do this
« on: August 16, 2008, 05:50:20 PM »
The FES is based in Lancaster CA, in the Mojave Desert. Several lake beds are near there, the most Famous being Rogers Dry Lake Bed...home of Edwards Air Force Base.

As to the tides and waves, it has been said that the disk we are accellerating on has a slight wobble...causing the tides to shift.  Problem with that is, the centripital force would cause all of us poor humans to fall off balance (as we are apparently on an unstable platform.)  Also, why cant I see this phenomenon in a glass of water...swimming pool...or lakes?

Flat Earth Debate / Re: "It's really quite simple" . . . or is it?
« on: August 14, 2008, 01:44:52 PM »
why dont we ever pay the other civilizations a visit?

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Final proof?
« on: August 14, 2008, 01:38:00 PM »
At least you are not saying that my project is implausible.  I am, however interested in how the same experiment is used to determine the distance to the sun...especially from two different points on a sphere?

Also...what is past the Antarctic Ring...and why does nothing fall off?

That said, there are a few more home-demonstration-type indications--not proofs--that the earth is a ball. We'll start with ones you've probably already thought of:

(1) Departing boats gradually sink below the horizon, as do buildings on the shore from the viewpoint of the sailors. Admittedly this only proves the earth is round right where you are--the frisbee hypothesis.

(2) "The sphericity of the earth is proved by the evidence of ... lunar eclipses," Aristotle says. "For whereas in the monthly phases of the moon the segments are of all sorts--straight, gibbous [convex], crescent--in eclipses the dividing line is always rounded. Consequently, if the eclipse is due to the interposition of the earth, the rounded line results from its spherical shape" Of course a frisbee, properly angled, would make a round shadow too. But if the frisbee rotated while the eclipse was in progress, the curvature of its shadow would change. The earth's does not.

(3) The constellations shift relative to the horizon as you move north and south around the globe, something that could only happen if you were standing on a sphere. (You may have to draw a few diagrams to convince yourself of this.) Given sufficient world travel combined with careful observation on your part, the frisbee hypothesis becomes well-nigh insupportable. I suppose this doesn't qualify as a home experiment, but I never said science would be easy.

Flat Earth Debate / "It's really quite simple" . . . or is it?
« on: August 14, 2008, 01:28:24 PM »
Quick Question:

If we did take your FE map literally... then what is on the outside edge of antartica? ? ?

and wouldnt the ice fall off or something AND what is on the flip side of the "flat earth"

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Final proof?
« on: August 14, 2008, 01:21:57 PM »
"That experiment does not prove curvature, it only measures it." 

Umm...if it measures curvature, doesn't that mean that curvature exists?  Thank you for disagreeing with agreed with me on what?

Flat Earth Debate / Re: To the Genius FEs
« on: August 14, 2008, 01:16:55 PM »
Amadeus is absolutely right.

i may refer to the movie title


Flat Earth Debate / Re: Final proof?
« on: August 14, 2008, 01:12:58 PM »
While walking on the Western side of the Golden Gate bridge, you have merely to look at the Old Fort Point (South side of the span) and any fixed point you are standing at on the bridge to see the curve in the Pacific Ocean.  Deflections in the bridge deck do not change the perseption of curve, so you can't say that bridge sway makes it look curved.  Instead of just saying "Optcial illusion", you ought to try it for yourself, instead of doing your impression of the Ape tribunal in the original Planet of the Apes.  (Hear, see and Speak no Evil)

Better yet, try this:

Class project:
(must be coordinated with another class in same time zone, preferably directly north or south and some distance away [as in hundreds of miles])

Student must find a perfectly level ground, or lacking that, construct such a platform. Also will need a rod 1 meter in length. At noon precisely, using a plum bob to stand the rod straight up, measure the length of shadow.

At the exact same time, another student from another class living directly north or south and some distance away does the exact same thing.

Having two sides of a right triangle, they should be able to determine the angle of the hypotenuse to the horizontal leg.

They should then exchange data.

Having two different angles will show that the Earth is spherical. Knowing the distance between the two schools will also enable them to measure just how big the Earth is since that distance will correspond to an arclength of the Earth's circumference.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flying
« on: August 14, 2008, 12:49:55 PM »
Ok to tell you this right now. . . there is no consperacy for pilots. . . my dad is a pilot and he flys beachcraft (no not water planes) he has flown for years and when i was younger i always went with him to each training session AND briefings. . . nothing has ever been said unless they kidnapped my dad and said "look, the earth is flat... dont tell anyone... i dont care what you have thought for the first 34 years of your life.  it is FLAT"

not likely bro.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Final proof?
« on: August 14, 2008, 12:45:33 PM »
Can you explain in further detail of what you mean?

Flat Earth Debate / Final proof?
« on: August 14, 2008, 12:39:57 PM »
Ok i am an obvious RE guy. i have some final proof that could change peoples minds if they are smart enough to listen...

I live in california. Last month i went to san fransisco and i saw something rare.

While walking across the golden gate bridge i looked out to the vast ocean and i realized i could see the curvature of the earth.

it was absolute euphoria and i would like to know from you FE folks what you think about it? ? ?

i mean, if any of you go out to see it and you see the CURVE of the earth... what would you people think???

-Oka nieba
[Sky Eye]

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