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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Jordan Peterson... thoughts?
« on: November 25, 2020, 10:41:00 AM »
He's fine. He's got some interesting interviews and says some cool stuff from time to time.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: November 23, 2020, 04:12:45 PM »
Looks like GSA is finally making the Biden transition official.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/politics/transition-biden-gsa-begin/index.html

Finally.

Oh, and Howie was the Green Party candidate.  ;)

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: November 23, 2020, 12:51:15 PM »
Does Howie get inaugurated January 20th or 21st, 2021? I can never remember which day it is.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: November 20, 2020, 05:16:55 AM »
This press conference is amazing.  There is a second lawyer now who is going into a word salad of Clinton Foundation, George Soros and something about software with backdoors.  I'm really having a difficult time following all these separate conspiracies.



I thought, no Crouton is making that up, but IT'S REAL. Now I must find the press conference on youtube so I can become even more horrified.

It's bad.

I got no problem with aging. If I'm going grey, I'm going grey; if I'm going bald, I'm going bald.

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To Catch a Predator re-runs are the cleanest, best pleasure.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: November 18, 2020, 05:42:21 AM »
Australia and new zealand have low numbers because they are islands with no more than a few dozend inhabitants.

China etc have low numbers because 1) they have a culture where masks are more accepted 2) they have very powerful governments with oppressed people 3) its uncertain how accurate the numbers are.

People love to blame trump for everything, evem though most semi democratic countries are doing no better than the us. Also, the people could take some responsibility themselves.

Bingo! The U.S. is differently populated than Australia and New Zealand and China has a totalitarian government. That, and I don't trust China anyway.

It's ultimately boils down to individuals taking responsibility and making a conscious effort to practice social distancing, self-manage their contact tracing, and wear masks in public.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: November 17, 2020, 05:09:21 PM »
https://www.axios.com/trump-fires-cybersecurity-christopher-krebs-fa03f026-1acb-4669-8e76-38f13307f7bd.html

Trump fires his cybersecurity chief. 

This totally doesn't make him look like a giant baby.

I know you're being sarcastic, but this is one instance where I'm 100% opposed to Trump.

Our Elections are fine. If he wants to audit them and ensure that, I have no issue with it. But to make such bold claims about voter fraud and to contest the outcome of the Election without any meaningful, significant evidence is foolish.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: November 17, 2020, 03:31:30 PM »
In the name of Jesus Pat Robertson still thinks Trump will win the election https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1328799694051549195?s=20

I'm confident that auditing the Election through legal, systematic avenues will produce instances of voter fraud that'll change the outcome.

Then, once those few hundred or maybe even a thousand votes have been found, and once the popular vote has been adjusted very slightly to reflect that, Biden will still be President.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: November 17, 2020, 03:28:19 PM »
That is correct.  Picture how stupid the average American is.  Now realize that half the population is stupider than that.

George Carlin was right on the money!


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: November 17, 2020, 03:25:06 PM »
Trump though... if he stayed consistently on message with masks, set a good example then a lot of lives and businesses would have been saved.  So many eyes are on the president that things that seem like dumb platitudes really do matter.

His rhetoric has been distasteful, admittedly. But the real tragedy is that Americans apparently can't think for themselves and do the right thing anyway.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: November 17, 2020, 03:12:26 PM »
Maybe he just wants to remembered for something other than the guy who had nearly (by the time he leaves) half a million dead Americans to a pandemic he cared little about or the pathetic cry baby way he handled the defeat post election

After all, it's Trump's sworn duty to personally enforce mask wearing and social distancing with every single citizen.  ::)

COVID is all clearly, obviously his fault. Every death. Especially the ones that are gonna result from Democrats celebrating in large crowds after Biden won. /s

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: November 17, 2020, 10:31:21 AM »
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/16/lindsey-graham-georgia-2020-election-436910

Remember normal times, where something like this would force a senator to resign?

Lindsey can't outrun his sexuality forever.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Who will win the election?
« on: November 17, 2020, 05:58:07 AM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: November 17, 2020, 05:53:11 AM »
True, but not on this

Also I believe the qualifier in his wording is 'rapid' for 'rapid withdrawl'

Informing your enemies that you are going to withdraw for no reason at all by 'x' date is also stupid

Trump provably wants to get everyone out so the country falls to shit on Bidens watch so Biden puts the troops back in and then Trump can be like 'SEE! DEMS START THE WARS!'

Trump also likes to write his own narratives. He'll say he finished the war.

>makes fun of conspiracy theorists like q
> espouses own conspiracy theories
>"but is okay cause orange man bad"

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: November 16, 2020, 06:47:18 PM »
Mitch does not want Trump to pull troops out of Afghanistan.

McConnell is scum. It doesn't matter where you stand, he has no values.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden
« on: November 16, 2020, 06:13:29 PM »
Just to be clear, you would deny a woman a medically necessary abortion after 24 weeks, even if she would die?  Because this is what I'm talking about. I don't think people should have elective abortions that late in pregnancy.

Of course not. If a woman needs to get an abortion for some urgent, medically necessary reason -- even late in a pregnancy -- then she should have access to one.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden
« on: November 16, 2020, 05:53:41 PM »
I"m talking about the abortion stuff. The "late term abortion" thing is propaganda, unless you think women should die in childbirth when it could be prevented. Abortions that happen after a fetus would otherwise be viable are done for medical reasons.

After years of talking to dipshits online, I end up scrolling past the ones who only have insults, or disingenuous arguments.  I enjoy arguing with people when the possibility that my mind could be changed exists, and I enjoy arguing with people when the possibility that I could change their mind exists, or if in the process of the argument I learn something.

Fetuses are now viable and surviving at 24 weeks due to advancing medical technology. That's where my stance on late-term abortions arises.

And I appreciate that multiple sides approach the issue in good conscience and draw different conclusions, so I don't think public funding should go towards abortion.

However, I'm for access to abortion. I feel that, humanistically and materialistically (i.e. I'm non-religious), the concept of an unborn person is very real. But I recognize that banning abortions doesn't actually prevent them from happening and that deincentivizing abortions does: accessible, affordable contraceptives; extended paid maternity-leave; and thorough sex-ed are all steps in the right direction towards reducing abortions.

I also recognize that, since I'm a man, I obviously can't get pregnant and I'll never know what it's like to be pregnant and carry a child and deliver a child. Hell, since I'm a gay guy who doesn't want kids, I'll never even know what it's like to raise a child. Abortion is an issue that I'm allowed to have an opinion on like any other issue, but in this instance, my opinion is where my involvement ends. It isn't up to me.

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The Lounge / Re: Handycap Parking . . .
« on: November 16, 2020, 04:41:41 PM »
I dig it, but what you did is probably illegal.  ;)

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden
« on: November 16, 2020, 04:39:23 PM »
Also, dear Jamie. Talking about politics is fun, especially with people you disagree with. I just wish you didn't repeat propaganda as if it's true :(

Hey, that's okay if we disagree.

But is talking about politics really fun? I find it exhausting. It seems that no matter who you talk to -- especially online -- you're wrong, an idiot, and they know exactly how to fix everything. It's kinda funny, in a sick way.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden
« on: November 16, 2020, 03:56:57 PM »
Ahahahahaha!  You're stuck now like a fly in fly paper!

Seriously though I respect your ability to defend your point of view, even if it stands at odds with mine.

I appreciate that. Conversing with you has been very relaxing and I really enjoy the different perspective you bring to the table.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden
« on: November 16, 2020, 03:51:50 PM »
Now I've landed myself into a catch-22.

I said I wasn't gonna stick around in these political threads too long, but here I am. I think we've all pretty much made up our minds here and trying to out-do the other person is a waste of our time. Fake internet points or some equivalent don't mean much.

I either quit responding, which shows I "can't defend my points" or something, or I "cop-out."

I'm boned.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden
« on: November 16, 2020, 03:47:52 PM »
Why do you feel the ACA is bad legislation?  You have to have some reasons.  What did it do you think is worse than what we had before?

Here's an article I like about just that.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden
« on: November 16, 2020, 03:18:16 PM »
Let me correct you here.  Trump want's to destroy the ACA because he hates Obama and anything he touched.

He doesn't want to replace it with anything because he doesn't care.  He had 2 years to come up with a plan and pass it, and another 2 years to even come up with a plan. Nothing.  Nothing but telling people ACA is bad.

ACA (Or ObamaCare as it was called by Republicans until people started to LIEK it) has it's problems but has improved healthcare drastically for millions of Americans.

I live with pre-existing conditions. Before ObamaCare I didn't have insurance for years at a time because I simply couldn't get it.  When I did get it, it invariably got canceled because they didn't want someone with health problems hurting their bottom line.

Trump, and people like you want to take my health care away from me. That's what you're saying when you vote to dismantle it.  You can claim you just want something better but until you actually have a frigging plan, don't get rid of the only thin that has helped millions, and kept costs down and improved availability of plans that actually provide CARE and not just a cheap feel-good that ends up leaving you to die on the street.

I speak from personal experience here.  If Trump and the GOP had their way, I'd have no heath care. Screw them.  Screw for-profit insurance who's main goal is to charge people as much as they can and provide as little as they can get away with. That's not just wrong, it's evil.

I'm not gonna pretend I know exactly what needs to be done to fix healthcare. I'm also not gonna pretend that Trump's got the clearest of plans either.

I disagree with your assessment of the situation, however. I still feel that the ACA is bad legislation. I don't think it's the spawn of Satan, but it's flawed and there very well may be a better approach.

And Trump has done some positive things for healthcare.

Anyway, I'm glad that at least you've benefited from the ACA and had consistent coverage. I wanna be sure that, whatever better solution we find, your coverage is sustained.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: November 16, 2020, 03:12:28 PM »
You should really look at how other countries that have successfully dealt with this pandemic have behaved. We still have conspiracy nutters but unlike America, we don't let them call the shots. We don't have a leader who emboldens them.

That depends on how we define "successfully." What worked in one country may not work in another, etc. In countries that were experiencing some success with hard lockdowns after a severe downturn, like Italy, those countries are now experiencing another downturn. There are a lot of contributing factors and it's just not so simple.

Governments are there to serve and protect the people too. In a serious pandemic it is not an overreach to shut down sectors of an economy if it saves thousands of lives. People elect governments to lead them. This is a situation where leadership was needed.

Then we fundamentally disagree on the role of government in society.

You feel that governments are elected to lead people; I feel that governments are elected to serve people.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden
« on: November 16, 2020, 02:46:48 PM »
Yanks baulk at the idea of universal health care but have no issue with Trump spending billions of tax payers dollars half compensating farmers after starting a stupid tariff trade war with China

Except I do take issue with that. I've actually been quite critical of that part of Trump's administration.

I don't support tariffs, and I feel that the trade war has hurt both sides and been a waste of money.

Biden hasn't exactly voiced opposition to them, either, promising only to re-evaluate the tariffs upon taking office.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden
« on: November 16, 2020, 02:45:19 PM »
Can anyone point to where Biden wants to take away people's guns or get rid of the 2nd amendment? Or is it just repugnican bluster?

I mean, supporting background checks is hardly crippling the 2nd amendment.

Hence why I used the word "reduce." He isn't going to take away our guns and there's no way he could, even if he wanted to.

Biden seeks, for example, to hold gun manufacturers accountable for contributing to gun violence, but curiously, he isn't interested in holding spoon manufacturers accountable for contributing to the obesity epidemic.

Also directly from the site: "Require gun owners to safely store their weapons. Biden will pass legislation requiring firearm owners to store weapons safely in their homes." Well, what does that mean? Define "safely." Where do we draw that line? Isn't it my gun, and my home?

I've got some concerns is all.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: November 16, 2020, 02:36:31 PM »
You fell for the political spin

Also take a look at your country getting over 1 million new infections every week. How is that helpful to the economy?

Look how other countries handled it. Australia got on top of a '2nd wave' and a state of millions of people which had lost control (getting more new cases per day than the UK at one point) has now not seen a single infection for nearly 3 weeks.

America with its millions of infections, hundreds of thousands of deaths and many more hundreds of thousands suffering long term health impacts from covid will feel the sting in the economy for a long time.

For too long you guys have run with this being not much more than a short term respitory illness. But it has been clear for a while this virus fudges up your heart and even the brain. Your lungs may be permanently damaged.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2866505/

Here's some other effect to worry about when contracting covid. Cancer.

You could end up with millions of people suffering pulmonary scarring thereby increasing their risk of getting lung cancer. Who knows what other things you have in store waiting for you given how this disease ravages many parts of the body. Increased risk of heart disease/attacks? Increase risk of dementia?

Trumps legacy of not giving a shit will be felt for a long time

Nice sudden shift in topic.

Anyway, I don't blame politicians -- I again blame the public.

All lockdowns and mandates do is justify government overreach. People will, either way, subvert restrictions whether they're enforced or not. Unfortunately.

So I've supported Trump's handling of the pandemic: Don't handle it. Allow states and cities the freedom and flexibility to handle the situation as is needed. I find his rhetoric distasteful though. I wish he'd speak about COVID as if it was the serious threat it is.

Then again, I also wish the mainstream media wasn't so adamant about misconstruing facts to construct a false narrative. And I wish the public appreciated how dire the situation is in some places and took it more seriously.

I wish a lot of things. But ultimately it comes down to people as individuals making a conscious choice to abide by health guidelines and do the right thing.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Joe Biden
« on: November 16, 2020, 02:27:08 PM »
I don't.  ;)

He and Trump differ in key ways. While both Biden and Trump support restrictions on late-term abortions, Biden supports public funding for abortions, which I don't support.

And while Trump backed the bump stock ban, Trump did it to appease outrage following the mass shooting in Las Vegas in 2017 and Biden supports it out of a genuine motivation to reduce 2nd Amendment rights. (That, and a few gun people I've seen talk about it have spoken about bump stocks as rarely used accessories, making the legislation pretty minor anyway. I don't feel that banning stuff makes society any safer either, e.g. the War on Drugs.)

Trump supports dismantling the ACA for being costly, frustrating, and inefficient; Biden supports renegotiating parts of the ACA and expanding it. I feel that the free market could handle healthcare, like most things, better.

So on and so on.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: November 16, 2020, 01:05:34 PM »
Oh no, it's all of them. If you see "Build Back Better", that is a reference to the post pandemic reset. It's probably mostly a good thing, but my internet conspiracy friends are all freaking out about it.

Ohh, I gotcha. I had specifically watched the video where Trudeau mentioned it.

It didn't phase me or seem scary, but the conspiracy nuts are having a field day.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: November 16, 2020, 11:02:16 AM »
The company I worked for was actually quite responsible with it and gave half (I think) to employees.

Small problem with that for MAGA fans is that itís a global company and they split the loot between everyone worldwide.

I've got no problem with a successful company that clearly values their employees and invests back into them.

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