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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: BELIEVE
« on: September 11, 2008, 04:46:08 AM »
Looks like he deleted his post. Huh.

You never enjoyed arguing with someone for the sake of it? You never argued for something you don't actually believe to try and see a different side to things?

And why should people have a psychological problem if they believe the earth is flat? That's a harsh line to take.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Top 10 Ways to Know the Earth is Not Flat
« on: September 11, 2008, 04:39:31 AM »
I do believe, ive just fucked over your theory.
That's because you've been here for 20 minutes and you're arrogant enough to believe that you have thought of something that no-one else would possibly have thought of in the 400 000 posts that have been made at this forum.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: BELIEVE
« on: September 11, 2008, 04:34:26 AM »
Sure. But what I'm saying is if there are RE-ers who enjoy representing themselves as FE-ers, why would they post the truth here? If they're playing a charade, then they're going to keep doing it, you know?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: BELIEVE
« on: September 11, 2008, 04:25:18 AM »
Answering this would take most of the fun out of it.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Top 10 Ways to Know the Earth is Not Flat
« on: September 11, 2008, 04:20:49 AM »
number one way of telling the world is round and that space travel is possible. google earth.
Why?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: No motive, no case
« on: September 11, 2008, 01:23:38 AM »
That salary has to be significantly more than they would be receiving to do the same job elsewhere.
Why?

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The Lounge / Re: Large Hadron Collider
« on: September 11, 2008, 01:16:29 AM »

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Like most Christians, I don't believe 100% of the Bible. I don't believe the parts about the virgin birth, the resurrection, Jesus being sent by God, most of Revelation, and other things. I believe in the flat earth parts though.
This just got a lot more interesting. Do you believe God created ... well, everything? Do you believe he has the power to make anything happen? Apart from the flat earth parts (and are there that many of those?) what other parts do you believe in?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: No motive, no case
« on: September 10, 2008, 02:44:27 PM »
10 billion pounds includes their salary. For doing nothing. I would suggest what ever their salary is it would be all profit.

So?
so, if they are spending more than 1 0 Bil they effectively have no salary. Making the conspiracy pointless.
You mean if the are spending more than they are given by the government and people aren't being paid? That wouldn't make any sense. Of course they are being paid.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: No motive, no case
« on: September 10, 2008, 07:10:48 AM »
10 billion pounds includes their salary. For doing nothing. I would suggest what ever their salary is it would be all profit.

So?
Exactly.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: No motive, no case
« on: September 09, 2008, 09:46:16 PM »
So?
So, if you have to spend 10 Billion dollars in salaries, contracts to other conspirators, false spacecraft, maintenance of secret bases overseas (the shuttle has to go somewhere after all), and all of those other annoying costs associated with the maintenance of the conspiracy, there wouldn't be the money left over to make this profitable.

10 billion pounds includes their salary. For doing nothing. I would suggest what ever their salary is it would be all profit.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: No motive, no case
« on: September 09, 2008, 04:00:04 PM »
But the point is, they are spending the whole 10 billion maintaining the conspiracy.
So?

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Yet where the horribly shaky translation suits the purposes of the Christians, the Bible must be taken literally? "Almah" translates to a young girl who may or may not be a virgin, but that's unconditionally mistranslated to give us the idea of virgin birth.
That's 'cause the "virgin birth" is wicked cool.

And which side are you on?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Evolution and religion
« on: September 09, 2008, 03:23:35 AM »
Does it matter? The point is that evolution has been going on since the beginning of life, not for a short amount of time.
No, the point is I want the numbers that show life on this planet could have evolved in the time frame available, because I don't believe it could. Someone says 80 000 (revised to 20 000) generations is enough for a mouse to become an elephant, I want to know that they just didn't pull that figure out of thin air. This article which someone else linked to in an earlier thread shows 31 500 generartions to make a small change in the basic make-up of bacteria.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14094-bacteria-make-major-evolutionary

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: No motive, no case
« on: September 09, 2008, 01:50:13 AM »
10 billion pounds includes their salary. For doing nothing. I would suggest what ever their salary is it would be all profit.

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I'm just saying that this was a vision inspired directly by God, so it was a "constructed dream". It would have been pointless for God to include the part about being able to see the tree from the whole Earth, when he could have just as easily tweaked the dream so that the tree was visible from "all of X" where X actually makes sense.

Now Gen 37 is actually about a dream, but Daniel specifically mentions "vision", so you can't compare the two.
Firstly how do you know it was inspired by God? Secondly, the specifics are that a man says he has a vision of a tree that reached into the heavens and could be seen by all the earth. What exactly do you think his vision was of? What was his frame of reference that allowed him to know all the earth could see the tree? Was he seeing this from space so he could see the entire earth? Was he atop the tree? How big do you think he thought the earth was?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Evolution and religion
« on: September 09, 2008, 01:27:41 AM »
A conservative estimate on how long it would take a life form the size of a mouse to evolve into a life form the size of an elephant given an environment with a selective advantage for bigger animals is approximately 80,000 generations.
Where does that figure come from?

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So you're saying God made this poor dude dream that the Earth was flat?

What kind of deceitful manipulative God are you worshipping? I feel sorry for you...
What?

I'm quoting the source you quoted that said the earth was flat. I pointed out that the full quote showed it was vision in a persons head.

Gen 37:09 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.

Does this mean Joseph was actually going to get the sun, moon and stars to obey him? No it was a dream with a meaning.

I still don't know what you are getting at in your last post.

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Uhm, who started this thread, idiot!
Apparently you did. I'm sure your parents are very proud.

And I think we're still on topic. The question was what convinced you the Earth was flat, and bible quotes came into it.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Evolution and religion
« on: September 07, 2008, 03:42:12 AM »
That's what happens when you ask me to do the maths. lol

So how does Base 4 change things? Are you saying that they only need 2 bits to make a genetic byte in that instance?

And even though it doesn't do anything, the information still has to be generated. And we can't know that it was always junk DNA. It very possibly had a function to perform in one of our ancestors.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: brooklyn bridge.
« on: September 07, 2008, 02:28:50 AM »
Not that this is proof that the earth is curved, but does anyone have the dimensions of the bridge and the radius of the earth at sea level? I would be interested to see if the math does add up.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Evolution and religion
« on: September 07, 2008, 02:16:59 AM »
Life started evolving the moment the first self-replicating molecule was formed. Since we have evidence for life as far back as 3.8 billion years ago, it isn't a stretch to imagine that there might have been self-replicating molecules 4 billion years ago. And the human genome contains about 750 megabytes of data; you do the maths.
So, would we suggest 1 self-replicating molecule is 1 bit of information? 750 * 1024 *1024 * 8

6 291 456 000 bits of information in 4 000 000 000 years by random beneficial genetic mutation. That maths does not add up.

Pun intended.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: FE is constantly accelerating at 1G
« on: September 06, 2008, 10:03:29 PM »
think of me as an angle.
An obtuse angle?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Evolution and religion
« on: September 06, 2008, 09:57:42 PM »
It's the maths of Evolution that I don't buy. How many changes are required to change from single celled organisms into man? How many years has it had to make these changes? How quickly does an "improvement" work it's way through a population?

A lot. Four billion. That depends on how big the improvement is, the size of the population and the rate of reproduction.
Yeah, but live hasn't been evolving for that length of time, has it? I thought it was a much smaller length of time. And can we get a bit more specific than "A lot."?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Centrifugal Force
« on: September 06, 2008, 02:52:19 PM »
It is explained in the first fucking sentence of my post. The FES uses so many pseudoscientific phrases I'd have thought you'd understand real science at least a bit.
Hell, I'm not reposting why when it IS IN THE VERY SAME POST THAT YOU QUOTED.
Swearing. And CAPS LOCK. Good argument. You quote centripetal and inertial force, which made no sense, so I asked for clarification. The FE is not spinning.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Evolution and religion
« on: September 06, 2008, 02:32:04 AM »
It's the maths of Evolution that I don't buy. How many changes are required to change from single celled organisms into man? How many years has it had to make these changes? How quickly does an "improvement" work it's way through a population?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Centrifugal Force
« on: September 05, 2008, 05:50:08 PM »
Sure.. but the whole idea of gravity supports everything you throw at it:

eclipses
moon orbits
planet orbits
sun location
comets
stars
our moon
tides

Your UA doesn't, you have to keep adding things to it, which end up not supporting other items.
Actually no, it doesn't. That's the point. But you're happy enough to look over those inconsistencies. Again, you aren't trying to find out why they don't work in RE, you're happy enough to accept there are things going on that you don't understand or can't comprehend.

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: The Centrifugal Force
« on: September 05, 2008, 05:40:35 PM »
Gravitation, the attraction of all matter for all other matter. Plain and simple. ;)
You would fall over because your overall force (centripetal vs inertia) would act outside of your point of contact with the ground- your feet. Similar to standing in a bus as it goes around a corner, you need to lean into the turn or you fall over.
In fact, the spherical shape of the Earth allows perpendicular standing as essentially you are falling over, but gravity keeps you perpendicular with the core of the Earth, when with a flat earth you would slide sideways, or as above, fall over.
Why would you slide sideways or fall over on a Flat Earth?

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The earth is flat =Nonsense
The bible=Nonsense

You can see what we are dealing with here!!

If you don't want to be a part of this conversation, than please stay out of it.

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It's God we're talking about dude. I'm sure that if God can make a quasar then a really tall tree isn't that hard to do. Obviously a NATURALLY growing tree wouldn't be sufficient, they wouldn't be talking about that 2000 years later, would they? It would have to be something so tall anyone on the planet would immediately recognize that only God could have created it.

Why wouldn't people be able to see thousands of miles? How else could they see the tree? I mean, if they lived hundreds of years without MRI machines and antibiotics, they must have had fundamentally different bodies than we do now.

As to parables, I'm sure Jesus told many. This is from Daniel, which is Old Testament. Jesus wasn't around then.
I'm sure God can make a big tree. You know what's easier that that? This is the verse before which you didn't include in your quote:
4:10  Thus were the visions of mine head in my bed; I saw, and behold a tree in the midst of the earth, and the height thereof was great.

Easier than making a big tree is to make someone "dream/have a vision" of a big tree. That is not a bible quote which suggests the earth is flat. Do you have any more?

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