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Flat Earth Debate / Re: check my FET
« on: October 06, 2021, 06:05:03 PM »
in my light but particular research of alternative science

Your research of "alternative science" -- I've never heard of such a thing. Is it like "alternative facts"?
Explain alternative facts.

"Alternative facts" are not facts at all -- they are just something being presented by someone as facts, even thought they aren't.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: check my FET
« on: October 06, 2021, 09:24:32 AM »
in my light but particular research of alternative science

Your research of "alternative science" -- I've never heard of such a thing. Is it like "alternative facts"?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: October 06, 2021, 06:20:30 AM »
Your problem is in looking at external atmosphere as wind as if something is blowing in the wind.
Oh.  So your "atmospheric vortex" doesn't move any air (wind). No wonder that was confusing.

So there is no wind "pushing" on the magnet.  It's just your hypothetical low pressure inside the magnet being acted on by higher pressure outside the magnet - correct?

But pressure on the magnet is omni-directional -- it can't cause a net force in some direction that would cause motion.  Just like a rock under water -- pressure on it from all directions does not cause it to move. No matter how deep, how great the pressure.

So now your explanation has made things worse. Since there's no wind, I don't understand what makes the magnet move at all, much less change direction. Now, I'm even more convinced (if that is possible) that your theory is rubbish.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: October 05, 2021, 01:25:18 PM »
Orientate a magnet and it will do this so what the hell are you talking about? The only difference is it's not attraction, it's another push towards the other magnet instead of against it, due to orientation of that magnet.

I did not change the orientation of the magnet in my hand. As I moved the magnet toward the second magnet, the second magnet first moved away and then it moved toward the magnet in my hand.  You claim it was first "pushed" away and then "pushed" toward the magnet in my hand. But you have never explained how the "push" changed direction according to your rubbish theory.
I've just told you what happened.
Are you really that dense? Any moron can see "what happened" -- the free magnet first moved away from the magnet in my hand and then moved toward it.  You still have not explained how your magical "atmospheric vortex push" changes direction.

Of course, I know you can't.  Because there isn't any atmospheric vortex. No wind motion at all. I know. I was there. I did the experiment. I blew on the magnet as hard as I can blow, and I could not generate enough wind to move the magnet. Your theory is still rubbish.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: October 05, 2021, 05:20:01 AM »
Orientate a magnet and it will do this so what the hell are you talking about? The only difference is it's not attraction, it's another push towards the other magnet instead of against it, due to orientation of that magnet.

I did not change the orientation of the magnet in my hand. As I moved the magnet toward the second magnet, the second magnet first moved away and then it moved toward the magnet in my hand.  You claim it was first "pushed" away and then "pushed" toward the magnet in my hand. But you have never explained how the "push" changed direction according to your rubbish theory.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Eratosthenes
« on: October 04, 2021, 06:13:57 PM »
There's no experiment that proves a globe.

Yes there is, and it has been performed numerous times. It's is very expensive to do, but simple in concept, and has produced reliable, repeatable results. You use a rocket to get a camera far enough away from the earth to take a whole-earth picture.  You know -- like this one:

As Leo Ferrari points out - a flat earth in curved space would appear round. Also they don't take pictures of the whole earth - they stitch them together. ( https://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/about/people/RSimmon.html )
Pay attention John.  I talked about the camera being far enough away that no stitching together of images would be involved, because the camera could see the whole earth (one side of, obviously). And even if one allowed the argument that the flat earth in curved space would appear round, why would some of the continents be missing? All the continents would presumably show up the picture if the earth were flat.  Here's NASA picture number AS17-148-22726 taken during Apollo 17 from a distance of about 24,000 km. No stitching involved.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Eratosthenes
« on: October 04, 2021, 07:26:11 AM »
There's no experiment that proves a globe.

Yes there is, and it has been performed numerous times. It's is very expensive to do, but simple in concept, and has produced reliable, repeatable results. You use a rocket to get a camera far enough away from the earth to take a whole-earth picture.  You know -- like this one:

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: New "old bedford level experiment" conducted
« on: October 03, 2021, 05:41:37 AM »
Yawn ---

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: New "old bedford level experiment" conducted
« on: September 30, 2021, 06:19:10 PM »
Come on you flat Earth guys...  if you want to try and prove anything you will have to do a LOT better than this! 
Realizing, of course, that it is impossible to prove the earth is flat.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: September 28, 2021, 06:31:01 AM »
The push is the atmospheric crashing from one side of the magnet to the other, which creates the resistance to the atmosphere trying to equalise from the other end.
It creates a push around.
This is your explanation of how the push on the magnet in the image I posted changes direction??
By all means have a dig but can you offer any explanation as to why magnets work as they do?

1. You said there is no such thing as an attractive force.

2.  I showed you an experiment I ran where a first magnet apparently attracted a second magnet, thus demonstrating an attractive force.

3. You made up your hypotheses that some kind of atmospheric vortex got around to the other side of the second magnet and "pushed" it toward the first.

4. I then showed you another experiment I ran where the first magnet first repulsed the second magnet, and then attracted the second magnet, demonstrating first a repulsive and then an attractive force, which basically is incompatible with your "hypothesis"

5. You provide a total nonsense "explanation" that does not explain anything, and it certainly provides no evidence at all that "attraction does not exist".

I don't have to explain why an attractive force between magnets exists -- I can (and did) provide an experiment that shows it does.  Just like I don't have to explain (nor can I) why the earth attracts objects, but I (and even you) can hold out an apple, let go of it, and see that the earth does attract it.

The truth is in the experiment.  Attraction exists. Your rubbish hypothesis is exactly that -- rubbish.






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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: September 27, 2021, 07:03:34 PM »
Can you imagine using this as an explanation of how magnetism works to kids in high school? They wouldn't have a clue what you were talking about.  Come to think of it, can you imagine anyone apart from Sceptimatic understanding exactly what this means?  Because I certainly don't.

Ha Ha!  They would need to put up warning signs:


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: September 27, 2021, 05:45:24 AM »
The push is the atmospheric crashing from one side of the magnet to the other, which creates the resistance to the atmosphere trying to equalise from the other end.
It creates a push around.

This is your explanation of how the push on the magnet in the image I posted changes direction??

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: September 26, 2021, 05:04:02 AM »
It's worse than that. He thinks (using the word loosely) there is no such thing as an attractive force.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: September 25, 2021, 06:40:02 AM »
If you have a material that can also trap extreme lower pressure (expanded molecules) atmosphere then you also have the same effect of the higher pressure trying to crush the object.

This is where magnets come in where lower pressure is trapped and higher pressure is also trapped within.
The higher pressure is the direct result of lowering the pressure inside the metal to become a magnet.

This creates a resistance to likewise magnets.

Come on Scepti. You said you would explain how the "push" on the magnet changes direction after I explained the Magdeburg experiment. Well I explained it.

So are you going to do as you said, or are you just going to abandon this thread because you can't explain it with your rubbish hypothesis and you won't admit it.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How do old compasses work?
« on: September 23, 2021, 02:50:14 PM »
Where is this south on the compass, pointing towards?
The opposite of North.
Then why is there a south on the compass?

So that you will know how to head South if you want to.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: How do old compasses work?
« on: September 23, 2021, 12:23:58 PM »
Compasses help your navigation by telling what direction is north and south. It was even used for early mapping techniques. On the flat earth map, a north pole exists but what south pole are the compasses pointing towards?
If the compass needle is pointing toward the north pole and you can't figure out the other three directions from that, you must need help.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: September 23, 2021, 05:03:26 AM »

If you have a material that can also trap extreme lower pressure (expanded molecules) atmosphere then you also have the same effect of the higher pressure trying to crush the object.

This is where magnets come in where lower pressure is trapped and higher pressure is also trapped within.
The higher pressure is the direct result of lowering the pressure inside the metal to become a magnet.

This creates a resistance to likewise magnets.

So you are claiming that magnets have low pressure inside them. Even if one were to accept that unsupported statement, it does not explain how the "push" on the magnet changes direction in the example I showed.

So come on, keep your promise -- explain how the "push" changes direction.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: September 21, 2021, 05:53:51 AM »
Before I even attempt to explain I want you to tell me what is happening with the Magdeburg hemispheres.
If you don't know then just say and I'll enlighten you on this first before I get back to the magnets.
In the Magdeburg experiment, when the pump is connected, the valve opened, and the pump turned on, each cycle of the pump adds the volume of the pump chamber to the volume of the sphere.  This allows the air to expand into the pump chamber, and since P*V/T has to stay constant, and the total volume has increased, the pressure inside becomes slightly smaller.  The pump then expels the air from the pump chamber and the cycle repeats, each cycle reducing the pressure inside. At some point the valve is closed and the pressure inside the sphere is much lower than the atmospheric pressure outside.

It is that difference in pressure that holds the spheres together, and the (simple) math that calculates the force caused by that pressure difference is as shown in the video:



OK. There you go. I explained the Magdeburg experiment as you requested. Now you do as you said you would:  Explain how that relates to how the "push" on the magnet changes direction according to your "hypothesis"

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: September 20, 2021, 03:53:56 PM »
I'm not interested in another psychology course.

It's not a course you need -- it's treatment. You need to understand why you make up stuff.
It's called hypothesizing.
Real scientists do hypothesize. Then they look at experimental evidence to see if their hypothesis holds up.  When it doesn't, they abandon that hypothesis, and admit it was wrong.
If one generously credits your statement that there is no such thing as attraction as a hypothesis, and then an experiment show magnet attracting another magnet, you, as a "scientist" are compelled to explain how that fits your hypothesis.
So you make up another hypothesis:  That some kind magical atmospheric air pressure difference creates a vortex that "pushes" the other magnet from the opposite side (even though in the experiment there is no evidence of a vortex strong enough to push a magnet being felt by the experimenter).

That's already enough evidence that any scientist would abandon such a hypothesis. But then you are presented with an experiment where a magnet first repels and then attracts a second magnet, which is so incompatible with your hypothesis that you don't even attempt to explain it. You just lie by saying you explained it.

Time to abandon your rubbish hypothesis and admit it is wrong!
If you can't put your mind to it you'll always come back with this stuff.


You mention a vortex not strong enough but you can clearly understand how the Magdeburg hemispheres work, can't you.
If you can then enlighten me on what you think happens with those hemispheres and we can move on from this point because this may just help you understand the forces involved.
I completely understand the Magdeburg hemispheres experiment.

So feel free to enlighten us -- how does the Magdeburg hemisphere result tie into your atmospheric vortex explanation for how the second magnet is first repulsed and then attracted to the first magnet?

We're waiting.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: September 20, 2021, 06:04:04 AM »
I'm not interested in another psychology course.

It's not a course you need -- it's treatment. You need to understand why you make up stuff.
It's called hypothesizing.
Real scientists do hypothesize. Then they look at experimental evidence to see if their hypothesis holds up.  When it doesn't, they abandon that hypothesis, and admit it was wrong.

If one generously credits your statement that there is no such thing as attraction as a hypothesis, and then an experiment show magnet attracting another magnet, you, as a "scientist" are compelled to explain how that fits your hypothesis.

So you make up another hypothesis:  That some kind magical atmospheric air pressure difference creates a vortex that "pushes" the other magnet from the opposite side (even though in the experiment there is no evidence of a vortex strong enough to push a magnet being felt by the experimenter).

That's already enough evidence that any scientist would abandon such a hypothesis. But then you are presented with an experiment where a magnet first repels and then attracts a second magnet, which is so incompatible with your hypothesis that you don't even attempt to explain it. You just lie by saying you explained it.

Time to abandon your rubbish hypothesis and admit it is wrong!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Air on a Flat Earth
« on: September 19, 2021, 05:16:35 PM »

It is contained one way or another, we ALL know this from deduction and established scientific law - there are no other options even in potentia.  Gravitation (if it were in any way real) isn't powerful enough to do the job you need it to for your worldview - this is plain fact and easy to demonstrate for yourself.  Gas pressure is derived from the container walls - there can be no pressure without them (though the container can in theory, be "fields" of some sort)

If the gas were contained by some kind of external container, then the pressure everywhere inside that container would be the same.  But we know that gas pressure gets smaller as we go up in elevation.  That rules out an external container.

Since the gravitational constant has been well measured (see my quoted reference earlier in this thread), and since it obviously holds you and me and and all masses to the earth, gravity does in fact exist. Masses are attracted to masses.

So what is the basis for your (false) statement that it is not strong enough to support the normal worldview? It would appear that the fact you have air to breathe is powerful evidence that it is strong enough.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Air on a Flat Earth
« on: September 19, 2021, 05:29:49 AM »
Remember, "gravitation" is believed (never measured, it isn't measurable or real)
You are either ignorant of the facts, not believing the facts, or lying. I don't know which. But if it is a case of ignorance, maybe we can dispel that. Here is the best experiment I know of the measures gravitational constant:

https://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash/sites/sand.npl.washington.edu.eotwash/files/documents/prl85-2869.pdf

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: September 19, 2021, 05:22:25 AM »
I'm not interested in another psychology course.

It's not a course you need -- it's treatment. You need to understand why you make up stuff.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: September 17, 2021, 07:47:29 PM »
People lie for a variety of reasons.

What is your reason? 

Why do you lie by saying you have explained how the "push" on the magnet changes directions when you have not explained it?
Why do you lie by saying I haven't?

I am not lying, because you haven't explained it.  Prove me wrong by copying your explanation of how the push changes direction right here, in response to this post.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Optic ilusion that fit with Orlando Ferguson map
« on: September 17, 2021, 06:39:51 AM »
I have seen that optical illusion, it's a good one, but I don't get what you see as a connection between that and the Orlando Ferguson map.

But connection or not, that map does not represent a flat earth because it does not have a fixed scale with accurate relative distances and sizes of continents.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: September 17, 2021, 06:22:11 AM »
People lie for a variety of reasons.

What is your reason? 

Why do you lie by saying you have explained how the "push" on the magnet changes directions when you have not explained it?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: September 16, 2021, 05:33:05 AM »
It's the same with the magnets question about how the so-called "push" changes direction.  He can't explain it, so he just lies and claims that he has.

Pathetic.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: September 14, 2021, 06:09:55 AM »

What do I need to observe that proves anything against what I'm saying?
Give me something.

You have already been given this example, where you have yet to answer (because you can't) how the "push" on the lower magnet changes directions according to your rubbish theory.

A push against anything randomly shaped will offer the same end product.

I'm not sure what the hell you're trying to say with this.

You mean you're not sure how the hell to answer the question using your rubbish theory. 

The lower magnet is clearly first repelled ("pushed" away from) and then attracted to (in your theory "pushed" toward) the other magnet.  Explain how your so-called "atmospheric push" changes direction.  If you can't explain it, that shows your theory is rubbish.

Anyone notice Scepti won't address the answer to this?  He just keeps saying he has, but he hasn't.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: September 12, 2021, 05:24:48 AM »


Since you just keep lying by saying you have provided an explanation when you have not, I have created a new profile image for you to use:

I have explained but you've clearly took no notice of my explanation.

Still lying.  You have not explained it.  Prove me wrong -- show me where in this thread you explained how the atmospheric push on the magnet changes direction.  Don't just repeat the lie that you have explained it -- show me the explanation.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What are meteors, if space doesn't exist?
« on: September 11, 2021, 05:11:34 AM »

STOP LYING

Provide the answer in a response to this post, or admit you can't.
I have explained but you've clearly took no notice of my explanation.

Since you just keep lying by saying you have provided an explanation when you have not, I have created a new profile image for you to use:


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