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Flat Earth General / Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« on: March 03, 2020, 02:55:38 PM »
In Edmonton, there once was a dinosaur dig exposition on the side of a hill by the river, Right by the "convention center" that has large underground  rooms for concerts/ festival, its kindof neat "the festival of trees" at christmas you can go wander around and (buy stuff?). Any way, they discovered the veloceraptor at this place, i believe. Now, it is a chinese garden, and they have redirected the subway to come out of the ground and cross the river right hear. this is south by several blocks from the china town.
Tell us more.
Oh i got a good one, right across the river, while building the bridge they found a giant piece of concrete submerged in the river bank, apparently having no records of it. The flood plane opposite the chinese garden has glass pyrmamids green houses you can walk around in.

The concrete was a bit bigger than a car, i think but i'm not sure. There was a vid on youtube, but i can no longer find it, something about halting construction. It was below the water.

Are you trying to make a point as to this thread? If so, what might it be?
Are you just trying to get a rize out of me?

Nope. It's a legitimate question.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Explain this to me.........
« on: March 03, 2020, 02:03:31 PM »
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That model doesn't even use math by Newton/Keplar/Einstein...
Where does it say it doesn't?
It says it doesn't when it doesn't say it does.

If you actually care to do just about 30 seconds of research, you would see that model is Newtonian/Kelparian. Just click on the 'about' link.
The ephemeris provided by this site (which include coordinates, distances from Earth and Sun, estimated magnitude and, for comets, time to perihelion) are obtained from the JPL Horizons service.

Then go check out the JPL Horizons service, it's all there in the documentation.

So when you make a claim "That model doesn't even use math by Newton/Keplar/Einstein..." please try and back it up with some facts. A step you often skip over.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Dinosaurs: Made In China
« on: March 02, 2020, 04:27:12 PM »
In Edmonton, there once was a dinosaur dig exposition on the side of a hill by the river, Right by the "convention center" that has large underground  rooms for concerts/ festival, its kindof neat "the festival of trees" at christmas you can go wander around and (buy stuff?). Any way, they discovered the veloceraptor at this place, i believe. Now, it is a chinese garden, and they have redirected the subway to come out of the ground and cross the river right hear. this is south by several blocks from the china town.
Tell us more.
Oh i got a good one, right across the river, while building the bridge they found a giant piece of concrete submerged in the river bank, apparently having no records of it. The flood plane opposite the chinese garden has glass pyrmamids green houses you can walk around in.

The concrete was a bit bigger than a car, i think but i'm not sure. There was a vid on youtube, but i can no longer find it, something about halting construction. It was below the water.

Are you trying to make a point as to this thread? If so, what might it be?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Dem Watch 2020
« on: March 02, 2020, 12:15:14 PM »
Stash needs to add flames to the graphic.

Just for you, Mom:


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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Dem Watch 2020
« on: March 02, 2020, 11:23:59 AM »
And after all these people drop out, you wonder why they spent their campaigns at each others throats and making their party look unelectable. Some of the debates were so toxic and incendiary that its a wonder any voter would want to vote for any of them.

I mean, they all have the same goal in wanting Trump out of office. And lets say Biden gets the nomination. Kamala spent her days painting him as a racist and how long did she last herself? She would have known she had a poofteenths chance in hell of not only winning the nomination but being elected President. Yet chose to get up there and rubbish Biden who for a long time has had a good shot at winning.

Bloomberg is spending all his money trying to make Sanders look so bad that no one should vote for him. And what if Sanders wins it and Bloomberg has to bow out? Bloomberg may have helped Trump secure another 4 years because if anyone actually listened to Bloomy, they may be put off by Sanders.

This toxic muck raking culture is why so many Presidents will serve out their 2 terms. In 4 years, both parties will be at each others throats so on an even playing field again.

I think they think they need to decimate each other to get the nomination. If I had a nickel for every time I heard "circular firing squad"...But that's how these primaries work here. The flipside is I think they all think all is forgiven and Americans will forget all the toxicity once they bow out and endorse someone. Bloomberg on 60 minutes last night said when pressed that he would endorse the nominee, anything to get Trump out.

In the mean time, it's knives out amongst the remaining Dems. Tuesday will be the reckoning for Bloomberg and Warren. At the end of the day, we'll probably ride into the convention with a Bloomberg, Sanders, Biden ballot and the real superdelegate bribery/manipulation will begin.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Dem Watch 2020
« on: March 01, 2020, 04:11:42 PM »
Is Buttigieg doing that to help Biden maybe?

We'll know for sure if Pete endorses Biden. If so, he can slide his 26 committed delegates over to Joe.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Dem Watch 2020
« on: March 01, 2020, 03:59:24 PM »
How do Pete's delegates get divvied up?

I wondered about that too.

https://people.howstuffworks.com/primary2.htm

This doesn't seem to be super clear but it looks like they become converted to superdelegates.  There's also a possible that he can sort of donate them to the candidate of his choice.

Interesting. This super delegate business seems to sort of be a recurring problem/issue. It's almost like having a mini-electoral college inside the nominee 'general election'. They seem extremely powerful. Perhaps overly so.

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Dem Watch 2020
« on: March 01, 2020, 03:41:21 PM »
How do Pete's delegates get divvied up?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Dem Watch 2020
« on: February 29, 2020, 08:22:35 PM »

Also, Bloomberg wasn't even on the ballot.

That's kinda funny actually since he was so sure he could by the election.

Didn't he already waste 500 million?

I think he can afford it. I had no idea he was in that category of billionaire:




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Flat Earth General / Re: Information request
« on: February 29, 2020, 07:28:04 PM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Dem Watch 2020
« on: February 29, 2020, 06:45:37 PM »
I just saw the announcement. Steyer is out.

Yep, just saw it too:


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Let us find out who the fool is then. Or you can go on home. I think you've shown yourself a fool or full of shit better than a candle experiment ever could.

I think you've bested everyone this evening in the fool & full of shit department. Hat's off to you.

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This home is protected. If you'd like us to keep making a fool of ya, keep around. We need something to do while we are right.

“The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.”

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No I got it from pie charts and googling to prove folks wrong on the internet.

So that's where you got your expertise that commercial passenger airlines pay no mind to fuel costs, consumption, and distances?

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And that pie chart supplied you with that expertise.

So I take it you were innately born with all of your expertise?

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So I guess you can't wipe your own ass. Nice pie chart though.

It was a nice pie chart. Glad you liked it. Just more evidence that you just make things up, like commercial passenger airplane tanks are made big enough to just fill them up to whatevs, because having a clear understanding of consumption and cost apparently doesn't matter.

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So, can you? Wipe your own ass?

What's one original thought you had? Some brilliant little dumb idea? I think we all have them.

I mean its all well enough to let the globs wipe your ass with their globe. Tell me. What is a fact you know.

I'll go first if you are shy.

Take Cantor's slash. Instead of an unordered list of numbers, instead choose to use binary numbers. Reverse them (so 1, 01, 11, etc) and sort them in order.

You can find the exact difference at any point between any number and the number outside the set. This makes it inside the set, and there you go.

I thought you said you were going first? How is Cantor's Slash one of your 'original thoughts'?

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You are so certain in this group of corporations ability to predict weather you fail to see they just build their tanks big enough and fly fast enough, and then push folks off to flights and make more money off them while being fed by the federal budget.

Yelp! Indeed.

Apparently you are unfamiliar with the economics of commercial passenger air travel. Fuel couldn't be a bigger factor in the mix:


1 United States' passenger airlines operating costs (2014). Source: Airlines for America, 2014.





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No, pretty sure you should try wiping your own ass.

How is the new more constructive debate, content-full, no insulting forum format working out for you? Seems like you're really representing well.

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Yeah you are right. It's all about hats. Nicely played. No one ever drops a hat.

Now are you referring to 'the drop of a hat' as in doing something quickly? I'm still confused about this hat business.
Its okay. This hat business is certainly confusing you and putting you up in a ruckus. Pay it no mind. I'm sure its not important at all.

I'm pretty sure you're the one up in a ruckus when you're telling me to go fuck right off and wipe my ass. The coup de gras would have been if you had told me to do those two things at the same time.

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Wipe your own ass for once and then you can say your map is fucking accurate.

I have for quite some time and presume I will continue to do so for some time to come. So according to you, I assume that I can rightfully say my map is accurate.

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Also the idea that you did it for yourselves - fuck no you didn't You just listened to someone else that said they did it. Fuck right off.

No, we had(have) people, lots of them, measuring stuff and writing it down. It's all quite well documented. I can point you to some references if you would like.

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Yeah you are right. It's all about hats. Nicely played. No one ever drops a hat.

Now are you referring to 'the drop of a hat' as in doing something quickly? I'm still confused about this hat business.

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Yeah, you guys were all set with the piri reis map too. You positivists are always 'all set.'

No we weren't. The entirety of the globe was not known at the time.

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Does there?

I mean honestly. Yeah the 1800s map isn't really that great. There have been many provided that are better fits; Wilmore's map is not a bad solution given the variance required.

The fact that you are so positive though for such a disreputable source. I don't get it. That's not science.

Wilmore's map is just the Lambert Globe projection. If used as an FE model, I'd say there are a lot of 'variances', as you call them, that would need to be ironed out. In other words, it solves some issues with the AE FE 'model' yet creates new ones all to itself.

I'm not following your sort of over-arching Yelp review of the airline industry logic and how it applies to any of this. Sure, air travel has become a less than glamorous and convenient mode of transportation in the past 30 years or so. But I can also still get door-to-door from SFO to JFK in about 6 hours for about 600 bucks. Not bad, really. Considering the alternatives if you're trying to get from A to B in an expedient manner. So I'm not sure, "Air travel sucks because I don't get free peanuts anymore..." = The entire industry is disreputable.
I'm sorry. Have you seen airports? They can't even put their fucking hat on, and you want me to think they plan the right amount of gas to fly any amount of distance, aside that those that design those airplanes and their tanks might well know that its a shit show in the civilian space. I .. I am at a loss. Yeah its a yelp review. Good job thinking critically about that one.

Sorry, you lost me here again with this mire of disdain for people who can't put on a hat? Who are these people with hats? Do they literally fumble with them as they attempt to put them on? You apparently have your critical thinking cap on right now. Do tell.

As for folks responsible for planning and filling planes with fuel, I think a lot of them have hats though I don't know if it's critical to their job to wear them. But yes, if you felt that these hat fumbling folks don't plan the right amount of gas to fly any amount of distance then I'm not really sure why you would fly. Seems quite illogical to not trust the system at all yet climb into a tube that will race across the sky at 500 mph 7 or so miles up. Why in the world would you do such a thing?

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Does there?

I mean honestly. Yeah the 1800s map isn't really that great. There have been many provided that are better fits; Wilmore's map is not a bad solution given the variance required.

The fact that you are so positive though for such a disreputable source. I don't get it. That's not science.

Wilmore's map is just the Lambert Globe projection. If used as an FE model, I'd say there are a lot of 'variances', as you call them, that would need to be ironed out. In other words, it solves some issues with the AE FE 'model' yet creates new ones all to itself.

I'm not following your sort of over-arching Yelp review of the airline industry logic and how it applies to any of this. Sure, air travel has become a less than glamorous and convenient mode of transportation in the past 30 years or so. But I can also still get door-to-door from SFO to JFK in about 6 hours for about 600 bucks. Not bad, really. Considering the alternatives if you're trying to get from A to B in an expedient manner. So I'm not sure, "Air travel sucks because I don't get free peanuts anymore..." = The entire industry is disreputable.
What I'm saying is yes they have been ironed out. And here we are. Unfortunately, you lot wish to think that anything that explains the same dataset you explain is the same idea. That someone is just taking your idea and "making it flat!"

It's not.

Secondly, there is a necessary nominalism to mathematics, and unfortunately that trickles down to empiricism.

As far as airports, come on. Yeah you get from a to b. That's about all you can claim.

So far I haven't been privy to anything 'ironed out' other than you just now saying that issues with an FE map have been ironed out. So that's what is desired, the ironed out bits, in this case specific to flight paths/routes.

As to (we think) someone is just taking your idea and "making it flat!", no, we already did that for ourselves. Hence all of the various globe projections in the cartography realm. So we're all set. All anyone is asking of FE is what does the model look like, you know like roughly where stuff is, what's close to what, maybe in which general direction would you need to go to get from here to to there. Then, ultimately, an FE map that's as accurate as anything used in the RE world. That's all.

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Does there?

I mean honestly. Yeah the 1800s map isn't really that great. There have been many provided that are better fits; Wilmore's map is not a bad solution given the variance required.

The fact that you are so positive though for such a disreputable source. I don't get it. That's not science.

Wilmore's map is just the Lambert Globe projection. If used as an FE model, I'd say there are a lot of 'variances', as you call them, that would need to be ironed out. In other words, it solves some issues with the AE FE 'model' yet creates new ones all to itself.

I'm not following your sort of over-arching Yelp review of the airline industry logic and how it applies to any of this. Sure, air travel has become a less than glamorous and convenient mode of transportation in the past 30 years or so. But I can also still get door-to-door from SFO to JFK in about 6 hours for about 600 bucks. Not bad, really. Considering the alternatives if you're trying to get from A to B in an expedient manner. So I'm not sure, "Air travel sucks because I don't get free peanuts anymore..." = The entire industry is disreputable.

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