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Flat Earth General / Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« on: August 14, 2018, 10:41:31 AM »
But in the ISS the ‘Bob the builder’ scenes guaranty some good tv, more so because the general people know that they can die while tightening ‘stuff’ with their spaycy screwdrivers.
You're right! It does make for good tv. It's amazing to be able to watch humans suspended in space 400 km above the globe tightening stuff. It's incredible!
This is spoken like a truly brainwashed shill, pitiful.

You keep shilling for the Bible and I’ll keep shilling for science.

Now, back to reality:

1) To Jack’s point, there’s no visible breathing apparatus, so no, they are not under water.

2) The vomit comet parabolic flights can’t sustain weightlessness for longer than 45 seconds max. Many, many videos of humans floating in the ISS last for 10’s of minutes if not longer. So, no, it’s not the vom-com.

3) CGI. Not currently advanced enough to be as convincing as many of the videos from the ISS. And if you know anything about CGI, due to render times, we currently don’t have the technology to simulate weightlessness live for such extended durations shown in ISS footage. So no, it’s not CGI.

Here’s where someone would say, “Well maybe NASA has some secret CGI technology.” I would say, “Maybe NASA has not so secret technology that can put humans in space and have been doing so for 50+ years."

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why is Foucault's Pendulum not accepted?
« on: August 13, 2018, 11:26:37 PM »
The Michelson-Morley experiment in no way shows the earth is stationary, nor was it designed to.

FFS. That's why it was a "shocking result."

Show that this professor is lying or doesn't really know anything about the matter.

I'm not going to sit here all day posting and asking you to contradict the professor. Unless you have anything shocking to share with us... like maybe this professor is a known notorious liar and spends his days lying to his students or something... I'm going to have to call it:

Another Victory for Flat Earth
I'm not really sure you could be more disingenuous. 

You pick a reference point - this professor, with a class, with a powerpoint, out of context for the class, post up a couple of slides and then, in the biggest font you can muster, proclaim victory? And at the same time, your defense is to want us to attempt to sully this professor's reputation as the only way to counter? As in, "Show that this professor is lying or doesn't really know anything about the matter."

Are you really that close to the bottom on all this to go that low?

I can dredge a bunch of links to papers that counter your position. And I will, have already started. But in the mean time, try and retain a shread of dignity and not go so low.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why is Foucault's Pendulum not accepted?
« on: August 13, 2018, 08:02:29 PM »
Yes, do read the rest of the slides:







It is the Round Earth Theory that needs some kind of wacky rotating aether pheonomenon, because the experiment and its repetitions and confirmations shows that the earth does not rotate!
Cool, thanks for doing me the favor of throwing out the existence of aether on a flat earth. We can finally dispense with all of that.
What exactly again are the repetitions and confirmations? Sorry to badger, but your citations are lacking.

(and enough with the 20 pt font, we can read)

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why is Foucault's Pendulum not accepted?
« on: August 13, 2018, 06:50:08 PM »
Not in the slightest am I implying the professor is wrong, nor trying to prove it. I'm just showing what the intent of the his/her class was and also looking at the entire context of the lecture. You're the one screaming in 20 point font that this is correct and absolute.

I see. So you have no counter-argument and are essentially just spamming whatever you can then.
Uh, no, not spamming whatever I can. You did. I'm just pointing out that your "spam whatever I can" has to be taken in context and not just stated as an absolute.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why is Foucault's Pendulum not accepted?
« on: August 13, 2018, 06:38:49 PM »
Read that?

"It seemed inconceivable that after Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, etc., that experiment would show that the Earth is motionless in space!"
I think you really need to thoroughly vet the intention of your sources. This is from a lecture in a 2011 York University class.

Here's the class description:
https://www.yorku.ca/bwall/nats1730/summer2011/1730-summer11-courseoutline.pdf

Dig a little deeper.

It just looks to me like you have to prove that the York University Professor is wrong in his understanding of the experiment.
Not in the slightest am I implying the professor is wrong, nor trying to prove it. I'm just showing what the intent of the his/her class was and also looking at the entire context of the lecture. You're the one screaming in 20 point font that this is correct and absolute.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why is Foucault's Pendulum not accepted?
« on: August 13, 2018, 06:28:21 PM »
Read that?

"It seemed inconceivable that after Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, etc., that experiment would show that the Earth is motionless in space!"
I think you really need to thoroughly vet the intention of your sources. This is from a lecture in a 2011 York University class.

Here's the class description:
https://www.yorku.ca/bwall/nats1730/summer2011/1730-summer11-courseoutline.pdf

Dig a little deeper.

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What does this have to do with the FE?
Your guess is as good as mine.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why is Foucault's Pendulum not accepted?
« on: August 13, 2018, 03:39:50 PM »
Some ancient flawed device supposedly proofs earth’s spin in 2018 and no one shall ever doubt it’s sacredness or create a more accurate device...
Ring Laser Gyroscope

Yes, but dutchy has the ability to picture a Foucault pendulum as a rock on a string; he can't fathom a RLG.
Fair point.

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How can this be possible?
Quite simply, fewer of the ultimate apex predator: Man.

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Does this mean that the UA force is the same for all celestial bodies? Meaning, if I stood on Mars would I experience the same 9.8m/s/s acceleration as I would on Earth?

(btw, your compendium is really thoughtful and thorough. Nice work)
Essentially, I think so; of course it'd depend on where on that body you were, and the obligatory problem that you'd probably be dead, but so long as you were on the far side of that body relative to the Earth then you'd be subject to more or less the same acceleration, albeit with a couple of other forces but as far as UA itself goes, yes.

The net force isn't identical because the Earth is much larger, and those bodies are subject to rotational motion, so there are differences, but if you want to focus on the strictly vertical direction then it's generally the same.
Thanks for the explanation.

Does UA explain the other bodies rotational motion? Or is that an apple and oranges thing?

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Flat Earth General / Re: What broke your belief in the globe earth?
« on: August 13, 2018, 03:08:18 PM »
Here's one that fits the bill:

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why is Foucault's Pendulum not accepted?
« on: August 13, 2018, 03:04:23 PM »
Some ancient flawed device supposedly proofs earth’s spin in 2018 and no one shall ever doubt it’s sacredness or create a more accurate device...
Ring Laser Gyroscope

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Flat Earth General / Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« on: August 13, 2018, 02:38:28 PM »
WOW, that's awesome! I've only seen it on television.
I know! It is awesome.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What broke your belief in the globe earth?
« on: August 13, 2018, 02:36:34 PM »
So give me an outerspace picture that 100% accurately presents earth beneath !!
What's not 100% accurate about the images from the links provided?

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Been trying to wrap my head around UA theory for a while now. Jane, in your compendium under UA, it states:

"There is a universal accelerator, that pushes everything in the universe upwards. It accelerates the Earth at a rate of approximately 9.8m/s/s, and so the Earth in turn pushes everything on its surface."

Does this mean that the UA force is the same for all celestial bodies? Meaning, if I stood on Mars would I experience the same 9.8m/s/s acceleration as I would on Earth?

(btw, your compendium is really thoughtful and thorough. Nice work)

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Flat Earth General / Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« on: August 13, 2018, 01:53:10 PM »
But in the ISS the ‘Bob the builder’ scenes guaranty some good tv, more so because the general people know that they can die while tightening ‘stuff’ with their spaycy screwdrivers.
You're right! It does make for good tv. It's amazing to be able to watch humans suspended in space 400 km above the globe tightening stuff. It's incredible!

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why is Foucault's Pendulum not accepted?
« on: August 13, 2018, 01:39:27 PM »
Therefor discussing a pendulum or a placebo effect (coriolis) to proof the earth spins, is betraying the scientific method which does not consider such paperthin hypothesis as rock solid proof.
Which scientific method is being betrayed?

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Flat Earth General / Re: NASA filming in a "hollywood studio"?
« on: August 13, 2018, 12:25:34 AM »
You forgot:

3. CGI

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: I had Bible study today and...
« on: August 12, 2018, 12:37:35 PM »
Isn't this a true Scotsman's fallacy? Why can't there be a radical atheist? Isn't the point of atheism is being free from a set doctrine?
My understanding is that 'Atheism' is more indifference. In that an Atheist does not believe in God(s), but is indifferent toward those who do believe.

'Antitheism' is that an Antitheist does not believe in God(s), but thinks the belief in God(s) is harmful to society.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Tfes vs theflatearthsociety
« on: August 11, 2018, 10:15:46 PM »
The Moon Tilt Illusion is another one on there that you guys are still losing at.
You've got a long way to go before you could possibly make that claim with your integrity intact. But whatever.

I would prefer that there was one Flat Earth Society. Perhaps in time. The entire Flat Earth movement is fragmented between the various YouTube communities, also. It would be best if it were all one organization.
My totally un-asked for 2 cents: You guys really need to get your shit together. Two "societies", both claiming authority, same name, 2 almost identical woefully erratic wikis, 2 forums. No unified model, no maps. Just all over the place. Your viewpoint is hard enough as it is for most to accept even a sliver of as credible. Then you mix it all into a jumbled mess and expect people to take you seriously. It seems like if you really cared about your cause, you would put differences aside and try and unify everything - Create a cohesive message, model, brand, if you will.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What broke your belief in the globe earth?
« on: August 10, 2018, 02:53:17 PM »
Here another one.....
Try to find the differences in India's landmass  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D from ''Spayce''
And pleasssse spare me your ''a different objective'' nonsense
I'm not seeing the "landmass" difference. Other than one image is zoomed in on just India. What's the difference?

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Flat Earth General / Re: The US and the Soviet Union
« on: August 09, 2018, 08:16:24 PM »
Ok, let’s take a moment to see what we hath wrought. The OP was "The Soviet Union and the US were enemies during the Cold War and they both had space programs. If one side claims the earth is round, and they we're wrong. Why wouldn't the other expose them.”

As proposed throughout the thread:
A) They are allies, hence no exposure, to seemingly the self benefit of each, I guess.
B) They were not allies, evidenced by the Cuban Missile Crisis and about a million other things throughout history. Ergo, OP’s question.
C) Totally made up stuff by Wise and New Earth, fraught with inconsistencies, innuendo, baselessness and out-and-out fabricated lies.

Pick your poison and discuss.

I’m going with B. Meaning, the Russians didn’t pull the Flat Earth trump card to discredit the American's success in space before theirs because, well, the world is actually round and they didn’t want to seem like total idiots to claim otherwise.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why trust you're eyes
« on: August 08, 2018, 02:43:33 PM »
Both you don't see God and gravity but you are believing both of them. but they deny each other. you have to choose one of them.
Since when are they mutually exclusive? No where have I ever seen that we must choose one or the other.

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Flat Earth General / Re: The US and the Soviet Union
« on: August 08, 2018, 01:53:27 PM »
The illuminatti and free masons wanted to create Soviet Union and helped Lenin to come to power. Lenin was a well known free mason, so was later Stalin. As a matter of fact Stalin was 33rd degree free mason.
Citation needed.
Yuri Gagarin the first man to so called space was shot right after his mission, cause he has seen flat earth and probably didn't want to be silent.
Citation needed.


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Flat Earth Debate / Re: What is that Shadow Object? A reply to RoundGuy.
« on: August 08, 2018, 11:44:43 AM »
ob·serve  əbˈzərv/  verb

    1. notice or perceive (something) and register it as being significant.


meas·ure  ˈmeZHər/  verb
 
    1. ascertain the size, amount, or degree of (something) by using an instrument or device marked in standard units.

Not a very Zetetic-y explanation.

From the wiki: https://theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Zeteticism&highlight=zetetic

"Zeteticism differs from the usual scientific method in that using zeteticism one bases his conclusions on experimentation and observation rather than on an initial theory that is to be proved or disproved.“

According to followers of Zete one would observe, notice or perceive something of significance, in this case, what causes the shadow. Then proceed to utilize experimentation to measure, ascertain the size, amount, or degree of said something of significance previously observed, noticed or perceived by using an instrument or device in standard units.

I think the original question was: "Where I can find all this data?”

It all comes down to this gem of a hardcore scientific explanation from the wiki: "This is similar to how during a shadow puppet show your hand's shadow can make a large magnified projection upon your bedroom wall as you move it closer to the flashlight.”  This is the data. And it’s beyond exhaustive.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Where is eye level in this photo?
« on: August 07, 2018, 09:57:42 PM »
Not sure this completely applies here and widely out of context, but it seems the "Horizon always at eye level" FET notion may be under review.

Full thread from the other place for complete context: https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=9927.msg155863#msg155863

(Bolding is my doing)

   Quote from: Bobby Shafto on June 13, 2018, 06:21:32 AM

    "The guy in your video "evidence" interprets the results of earth's concavity. The guy in your video argues that because light is randomly "bendy" we can't be sure where anything is. Is that your take on this so-called evidence? Then go in and edit the "Horizon is Always at Eye-Level" page right now, if you're convinced. You put more thought into examining my horizon observation than the results reported by Wild Heretic. Why is that, Tom?

    If you're gong to claim to be empirical, you can't find things "interesting" that support your preferred conclusions and reserve critical thought for those that challenge it."


Quote from: Tom Bishop on June 13, 2018, 07:31:37 AM

    "Per the horizon and eye level, I don't mind making some kind of edit that the matter may be ambiguous to determine."

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: About the moon landing
« on: August 07, 2018, 04:01:59 PM »
Here is a thought...

According to the FET I’ve read, the moon has a diameter of 32 miles and is located approximately 3000 miles above the surface of the earth.

https://theflatearthsociety.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Moon&highlight=moon

Here is a thought. 3000 miles is less distance than a flight from, say, NYC to London. If the moon is even closer, maybe we did land on it. Granted slightly different direction, "up" instead of “over”, but so damn close.
Using FET, landing on the moon is far more plausible than the RE model of it being 239k miles away. Conspiracy being that NASA did go to the moon, placed reflectors, hit some golf balls and drove around in a buggy, but are hiding the fact that it’s so close to earth because of money, pride, luminati/masonic and/or whatever conspiratorial proclivity suits your whimsy.

Seems just as rational as your thought and I have a supporting citation to back my assumed logic in the full force and weight of the wiki.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Tfes vs theflatearthsociety
« on: August 05, 2018, 01:02:45 AM »
Yeah, the posts are sometimes chaotic here but so is a conversation at the pub.

Is that where you conduct your academic research?
Depends upon what you consider "academic".

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Flat Earth General / Re: Tfes vs theflatearthsociety
« on: August 05, 2018, 12:19:39 AM »
I presume a lot of people have the same question, being same name and all.

Just anecdotally and pure opinion, viewing both sites over the past couple of years, the big difference I've seen is how the forums are moderated: Over there it's like an afternoon tea party whereas over here it's like last call at the pub.

Over there the mods drop the hammer for "low content", sassy, irreverent or what one might deem as moderately insulting posts. Which is fine I suppose, but I've definitely seen some instances that seem more like censorship of contrary opinions rather than the aforementioned.
Here it seems like the moderation is more "fair". Yeah, the posts are sometimes chaotic here but so is a conversation at the pub.

And in poking around, I guess there has been on and off renewed interest in reuniting the two societies. The last attempt sort of stalled:
https://forum.tfes.org/index.php?topic=7252.0

All in all, I prefer a pint to a cup of tea.

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