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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Clearing the Muddle that is Jesus

« on: April 09, 2023, 03:26:25 AM »

Referring an answer from another section.

Referring an answer from another section...

Umm, yeah, there were ppl still around. "cohabited with the human women". Human woman were still around. Same as human men and human children and human babies, still around. The Nephilim weren't fucking human men, children, and babies and siring non-ppl. And the Nephilim were still kicking around after the murderous flood.

As well, God just went ahead an rammed a baby into Mary's womb totally without her consent. That's some seriously rapy shit. What's up with that?

Luke 1:30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God.
Luke 1:31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus.

Like she had a choice? Gabriel basically shows up and says, "Oh, by the way, God WILL be planting his seed in you, period."
What's Mary going to say to one of God's Angels who just commanded that this will happen?

"Umm, yeah, well, here's the thing, Gabe...Can I call you that? It just seems like we're having a pretty personal convo, so I'm thinking I can. In any case, I'm a virgin and I don't want to be knocked up by God because you see, you already know the virgin bit, but I have a husband, everyone will know it's not his kid. People will talk. I'm not cool with that. And you know, I'd kinda like to hook up with Joe first, have him take my flower, so to speak...It's kind of a special thing we got going on, married and all. And how emasculated do you think Joe is going to feel? 'God got it on with me first' - How can he even compare?
Can you go tell God that I appreciate the offer, but no, I'm good with Joe. Thanks, but no thanks. A hard pass. I'm sure God will be cool with that...Umm, right Gabe? He'll be down with the that, right? He's not going to get all pissy about my refusal and start drowning everyone again, right? Gabe, talk to me." Mary, increasingly nervous, "What's his vibe? He's still into the free will thing, right? He's not going to smite me or Joe, right?

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The Lounge / Globebusters' Bob Knodel Passed Away

« on: April 09, 2023, 03:23:10 AM »

One of the pillars of the YouTube FE community died...

Bob Knodel Death And Obituary
Bob Knodel, the co-host of the popular conspiracy theory YouTube channel Globebusters, has died. News of his death spread quickly on social media and websites, leaving fans and loved ones heartbroken and searching for answers.
While the cause of his death remains unknown, many are mourning the loss of a beloved family member and colleague.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?

« on: April 09, 2023, 02:46:20 AM »

...even though you have never SEEN it after the first 3-4 minutes, it doesn't even MATTER by that point, if we don't see it after 3 or 4 minutes, to you!

And here you are, continuing to lie...

You accuse everyone of being a liar when, ironically, you are the one who is lying...

Your LIES #1: You say no one has ever seen rockets 3-4 minutes after launch. You've been shown many videos from normal people of rockets in flight from out on the water beyond safety exclusion zones, and after a rocket has flown 100's of miles.

Why do you just straight up lie? Do you think people don't remember the posts or something?

You lied.

Your LIES #2: You stated that no one can take close-up shots of even planes at cruising altitude. Because for some reason you've never heard of cameras mounted to telescopes. You were show evidence that people do.
Can You See Airplanes With A Telescope?
Using A Telescope To Spot Airplanes At 35,000ft


You lied.

Your LIES #3: You stated that no one knows what equipment is used to film rocket launches so close up and for so long. You were shown the evidence here:
LONG RANGE CAMERA SYSTEM CAPTURES FIRST-EVER ROCKET BOOSTER TO SPACE AND BACK AS PART OF BLUE ORIGIN’S HISTORIC ROCKET LANDING


You lied.

Your LIES #4: You said to settle the firmament issue all we need to do is send a rocket straight up and see if it smacks into something, That's it. You have repeatedly been shown exactly that. Then you lie by saying without evidence that the exact thing you asked for is fake.

Turbo: We can settle this firmament existence thing once and for all if you people will just send a rocket up and see if it smacks into anything!
Anyone: We have already. Lots and lots of them. From different countries, different companies, from all over the world...
Turbo: NO, THOSE ARE ALL FAAAAAKKKKE!!!!
Anyone: Well, here's an uncut vid of a rocket, with Bill Shatner, no less, as a passenger going straight up to 307k feet and straight back down. Didn't smack into anything there, so...
Turbo: NO, THAT IS FAAAAAKKKKE!!!!
Anyone: But I thought you said we could settle this if we sent up some rockets?
Turbo: I DID! BUT ROCKETS ARE FAAAAAKKKE!!!

You're a hypocritical liar.

Your LIES #6: The firmament. No evidence of it. Tell us this: Before there were rockets and planes, what was the evidence for a firmament?

You lied yet again.

There is literally only one liar here...You.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?

« on: April 09, 2023, 02:23:04 AM »

NASA meeting your pathetic demands will not be enough for you, as you will just dismiss it as fake.

Again, if you want the footage in a way you wont dismiss as fake, go get it yourself.
Don't expect others to provide it, especially when you just dismiss it as fake.

People are allowed to see.
You have been given examples of that.

They have RESTRICTED ZONES, where we are NOT allowed to go, to see rockets from, so if you want to spew on about how we ARE allowed to see rockets from there, I'd love to hear that one, so go ahead...

I'm sure you already know that your claim is BS, right? You must know they have such off-limits areas in the ocean, as that is absolute fact.

This should be a good one, tell me all about it....

You accuse everyone of being a liar when, ironically, you are the one who is lying...

Your LIES #1: You've been shown many videos from normal people of rockets in flight from out on the water beyond safety exclusion zones, and after a rocket has flown 100's of miles.

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Flat Earth General / Re: crescent moon question

« on: April 08, 2023, 09:21:33 PM »

Obviously he is. Someone like you wouldn't live to adulthood otherwise. You die eventually because all things in this world end. Not because God is "mean." Get over it.

God murdered and estimated 750 million people, men, women, children, even babies, by drowning them because he fucked up creating humanity the first time around and his ego was crushed. Decided to reboot to give it a second go - Humanity 2.0. Then he felt out of touch with humans so he rammed his kid into an unsuspecting woman's womb, basically god-raped her, all the while setting up to have even him murdered 33 years later. Nice guy, that god of yours.

"Those weren't ppl."

Umm, yeah, there were ppl still around. "cohabited with the human women". Human woman were still around. Same as human men and human children and human babies, still around. The Nephilim weren't fucking human men, children, and babies and siring non-ppl. And the Nephilim were still kicking around after the murderous flood.

As well, God just went ahead an rammed a baby into Mary's womb totally without her consent. That's some seriously rapy shit. What's up with that?

Luke 1:30 But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary; you have found favor with God.
Luke 1:31 You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him Jesus.

Like she had a choice? Gabriel basically shows up and says, "Oh, by the way, God WILL be planting his seed in you, period."
What's Mary going to say to one of God's Angels who just commanded that this will happen?

"Umm, yeah, well, here's the thing, Gabe...Can I call you that? It just seems like we're having a pretty personal convo, so I'm thinking I can. In any case, I'm a virgin and I don't want to be knocked up by God because you see, you already know the virgin bit, but I have a husband, everyone will know it's not his kid. People will talk. I'm not cool with that. And you know, I'd kinda like to hook up with Joe first, have him take my flower, so to speak...It's kind of a special thing we got going on, married and all. And how emasculated do you think Joe is going to feel? 'God got it on with me first' - How can he even compare?
Can you go tell God that I appreciate the offer, but no, I'm good with Joe. Thanks, but no thanks. A hard pass. I'm sure God will be cool with that...Umm, right Gabe? He'll be down with the that, right? He's not going to get all pissy about my refusal and start drowning everyone again, right? Gabe, talk to me." Mary, increasingly nervous, "What's his vibe? He's still into the free will thing, right? He's not going to smite me or Joe, right?

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support Ron DeSantis?

« on: April 08, 2023, 07:14:02 PM »

What is really suspect about all this is, "...Rebekah Jones, who said the family was vacationing in Mississippi..."

Zero people willingly go to Mississippi for a "vacation".

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Your thoughts on Elon musk?

« on: April 08, 2023, 07:04:06 PM »

Here's an intersting lopsided take, not on the Twitter blocking substack thing, but on that "debate" on MSNBC. From some guy named Mike Masnick. Anyone know who he is, heard of him?
The article goes into a lot of detail around "Taibbi’s claim that the Election Integrity Partnership (EIP) flagged 22 million tweets for Twitter to take down in partnership with the government. This is flat out wrong. The EIP, which was focused on studying election interference, flagged less than 3,000 tweets for Twitter to review (2,890 to be exact)".

And goes on to explain, supposedly, the context and actual players and numbers involved...

"The 22 million figure shows up in the report, but it was just a count of how many tweets they tracked in trying to follow how this information spread, not seeking to remove it."

Either way, Taibbi overstated the number of tweets that EIP reported by 21,894,474 tweets. In percentage terms, the actual number of reported tweets was 0.013% of the number Taibbi claimed.

Here's the article. It's a scathing hit-job, but I have no idea if any of it is accurate. I wouldn't be surprised if Elon had this whipped up. I mean he is the second richest person on the planet, he can do anything, anywhere, to anybody...

Mehdi Hasan Dismantles The Entire Foundation Of The Twitter Files As Matt Taibbi Stumbles To Defend It
Taibbi isn’t just sloppy with facts, which is problematic enough. He leaves out the very important context that highlights how the big conspiracy he’s reporting is… not big, not a conspiracy, and not even remotely problematic.

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Flat Earth General / Re: crescent moon question

« on: April 08, 2023, 04:11:17 PM »

Obviously he is. Someone like you wouldn't live to adulthood otherwise. You die eventually because all things in this world end. Not because God is "mean." Get over it.

God murdered and estimated 750 million people, men, women, children, even babies, by drowning them because he fucked up creating humanity the first time around and his ego was crushed. Decided to reboot to give it a second go - Humanity 2.0. Then he felt out of touch with humans so he rammed his kid into an unsuspecting woman's womb, basically god-raped her, all the while setting up to have even him murdered 33 years later. Nice guy, that god of yours.

I wouldn't even give it this long. We humans have tried to make nuclear fusion reactions. Don't they collapse pretty much immediately? What tends to happen is the matter fuses and that's it. No more fusion. It becomes a new compound and the fusion ends. That it has lasted this long is beyond what a simple fusion reaction could do.

We're getting there, probably 50+ years away of making fusion useful...

With historic explosion, a long sought fusion breakthrough
National Ignition Facility achieves net energy “gain” with laser-powered approach
More energy out than in. For 7 decades, fusion scientists have chased this elusive goal, known as energy gain. At 1 a.m. on 5 December, researchers at the National Ignition Facility (NIF) in California finally did it, focusing 2.05 megajoules of laser light onto a tiny capsule of fusion fuel and sparking an explosion that produced 3.15 MJ of energy—the equivalent of about three sticks of dynamite.

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Happiness of heart and soul

« on: April 08, 2023, 10:15:11 AM »

Lot's people leaving Islam and are petrified of the retribution...

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Flat Earth General / Re: FES = Controlled Opposition

« on: April 08, 2023, 10:05:25 AM »

I'm not following you at all as you are not clear at all. I'm not talking about alternates at large, I'm talking about what you believe.

What I believe is pretty simple. I believe the Earth is absolutely not a spinnin g globe in a space vacuum among floating rocks like balls or gas balls or burning balls and so on.

All that just to get to this:

Simple question: Do you believe that the Earth literally looks like your avatar?



A high Antarctic rim, sloping downward with Australia, S.America, & Africa at the bottom of the slope, then sloping back upward all the way to the North pole that is at the centre and at the top of a great mound?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why does flat earth equate no space travel by man?

« on: April 08, 2023, 09:52:16 AM »

If you really believe we could magnify up that close to anything supposedly over 100,000 feet altitude, where they claim the Blue Origin rocket is, in such videos as this one, at 28:02 mark in the clip...

https://www.google.com/search?q=blue+origin+live+footAGE&oq=blue+origin+live+footAGE&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30l3j0i390i650l2.11158j1j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:01c60513,vid:yRF3FEgU1IY

And within the next 11 seconds, claims it has flown another 30,000 feet higher, being at 130,000 feet altitude, perfectly in view, close up, in the middle of the camera frame!

If you really believe that it is flying at 130,000 feet, try to film a plane at 30-40,000 feet flying overhead, or near to you, and zoom in on it with a telescope, or zoom camera, etc. 

Could you be any lazier. 30 seconds to debunk your baseless assertions...

Can You See Airplanes With A Telescope?
Using A Telescope To Spot Airplanes At 35,000ft

Again, they never mention what actual instruments were used to film it, or where from, or how many. When we've mentioned what instruments we've used to film our plates of food at an IHOP, or whatever! 

Have you ever known about what INSTRUMENTS were used, to film rockets, what lenses were used, for them, what magnification they were, or any specifics?

Yes.
If you weren't so lazy and just pinned to your belief system like some kind of sheeple, you might learn a thing or two...

LONG RANGE CAMERA SYSTEM CAPTURES FIRST-EVER ROCKET BOOSTER TO SPACE AND BACK AS PART OF BLUE ORIGIN’S HISTORIC ROCKET LANDING
PR Newswire, Las Vegas, NV – December 29, 2015
On November 23, two proprietary JLAIR long range optical tracking systems owned and operated by FlightLine Films successfully recorded the first time a rocket booster flew to space and returned for a vertical landing back on Earth. Blue Origin launched its New Shepard space vehicle to an altitude of 329,839 feet and FlightLine Films was hired to capture the entire ascent, separation and then landing of both the crew capsule and booster.

CEO of FlightLine Films, Jay Nemeth reports, “With one JLAIR being assigned to the booster and the other tracking the crew capsule, flight controllers had eyes on both vehicles at speeds up to Mach 3.72. Despite some cloud cover, we maintained imaging of the entire flight with our Short Wave Infrared Camera.”

Once the booster and capsule descended through the clouds, FlightLine Films resumed imaging with all sensors including two RED Dragons with 8000mm optics.


JLAIR long range optical tracking systems aimed at Blue Origin launch pad in preparation for historic rocket flight.

Their videos are always edited, and a compilation of multiple videos, put together as a single clip. This is simply a trick, of course. 

Always? How many times do you need to see the uncut Blue Origin launch with Capt. Kirk on board? Straight up, straight back down without smacking into a firmament that doesn't exist...

If you really believed there is NOT a great barrier above the Earth, called the Firmament, which couldn't be known to exist, or not exist, at that time. We had yet to fly in air, at such heights needed to hit the Formament, as we now do, and have hit it, countless times, in secret.

If it's secret, how do you know? What's your evidence?

I've already told you there are 2 different ways, which will end this whole debate, forever after.

Those who refuse both ways of proving it, are wrong, by their own actions.

So we're right back to this...

This is very, very simple to do, and it would settle this entire debate, once and for all. But when your side refuses to do it, having the rockets to do it, we know who the liar is already, and it's not the one who wants to prove who is right, it s the one who refuses to prove who is right, because they know it's not them.

Wow, you're terrible at this logic thing...

Turbo: We can settle this firmament existence thing once and for all if you people will just send a rocket up and see if it smacks into anything!
Anyone: We have already. Lots and lots of them. From different countries, different companies, from all over the world...
Turbo: NO, THOSE ARE ALL FAAAAAKKKKE!!!!
Anyone: Well, here's an uncut vid of a rocket, with Bill Shatner, no less, as a passenger going straight up to 307k feet and straight back down. Didn't smack into anything there, so...
Turbo: NO, THAT IS FAAAAAKKKKE!!!!
Anyone: But I thought you said we could settle this if we sent up some rockets?
Turbo: I DID! BUT ROCKETS ARE FAAAAAKKKE!!!

So how does your logic work? You ask for evidence, you're provided evidence to meet your demands (See uncut Blue Origin vid above), then just say, "It's FAKE!" without any evidence that it's fake...

See how your logic is completely ridiculous?

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Flat Earth General / Re: crescent moon question

« on: April 08, 2023, 08:53:04 AM »

When you start to believe in souls, matters become a little more difficult.

(A change in reporting to exempt reporting of left-wing. We already know of the "mostly peaceful" bias. When Antifa and BLM burned cars and buildings, they focused instead on Jan 6, which had only about one real death that wasn't an accident)

But at least we now know 2 things:
- You think God controls Solstices, Equinoxes, & Moon Phases
- You'd let an 8 year old kid die a painful death if s/he needed medical treatment for his/her Type II Diabetes but was afraid needles

A loving God allows mercy and choices.

The righteous care for the needs of their animals, but the kindest acts of the wicked are cruel.

Proverbs 12:10.

No where in that passage does it mention anything about "choices".

When someone in from of you begs you, "Let me die. I don't want to live another 20 years with this condition," and you tell them, " Medical science can help you. You're being a baby, " you're being a bully and a sadist.

To an 8 year old who could be easily treated even without daily jabs? That makes you the sadist and murderer.
 

As the other, what you think you do? You think you control the sun and moon?

Or you think somehow they can perpetuate themselves?

Who said anything about perpetual? You just straw-manned the shit out of your argument. Energy is expended by everything in the world and cosmos. Some things just last longer than others. In 10 billion years, the sun wil be no more. Just like how everything else expends all its energy and dies. Think things through before you make up crap like perpetual motion and stuff.

And no god is required for things to die.

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Flat Earth General / Re: crescent moon question

« on: April 07, 2023, 10:36:59 PM »

When you start to believe in souls, matters become a little more difficult.

So much for believing in souls leads to peace...

2010s In comparison to the 2000s, there was a sharp decline in the proportion of terrorist attacks carried out by left-wing, environmentalist extremists during the first seven years of the 2010s (from 64% to 12%). At the same time, there was a sharp increase in the proportion of attacks carried out by right-wing extremists (from 6% to 35%) and religious extremists (from 9% to 53%) in the United States. 

Murders
In the United States, violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eleven people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, a police officer, two people (unclear of their connection), and a clinic escort.[I 16][I 17] Seven murders occurred in the 1990s.[I 18]

Attempted murder, assault, and kidnapping
According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, 13 wounded,[I 30] 100 butyric acid stink bomb attacks, 373 physical invasions, 41 bombings, 655 anthrax threats,[I 31] and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[I 32] Between 1977 and 1990, 77 death threats were made, with 250 made between 1991 and 1999.[I 30] Attempted murders in the U.S. included:[I 16][I 5][I 6] in 1985 45% of clinics reported bomb threats, decreasing to 15% in 2000. One fifth of clinics in 2000 experienced some form of extreme activity.[I 33]

Attempted murder, assault, and kidnapping
According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, 13 wounded,[I 30] 100 butyric acid stink bomb attacks, 373 physical invasions, 41 bombings, 655 anthrax threats,[I 31] and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[I 32] Between 1977 and 1990, 77 death threats were made, with 250 made between 1991 and 1999.[I 30] Attempted murders in the U.S. included:[I 16][I 5][I 6] in 1985 45% of clinics reported bomb threats, decreasing to 15% in 2000. One fifth of clinics in 2000 experienced some form of extreme activity.[I 33]

But at least we now know 2 things:
- You think God controls Solstices, Equinoxes, & Moon Phases
- You'd let an 8 year old kid die a painful death if s/he needed medical treatment for his/her Type II Diabetes but was afraid needles

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Flat Earth General / Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth

« on: April 07, 2023, 12:23:08 PM »

What in the world does that mean? How is a compass "weakened"? Do explain.

So you now think the compass manufacturing industry is in on the conspiracy too?

It's a scam, not a conspiracy. And you need to work on reading comprehension.

How does a cosmologist or astronomer scam you? And yes, it would not be just a scam, it would have to involve a conspiracy of millions to hide the real observations of the cosmos involving professional astronomers as well as amateur ones.

Reading comprehension is a skill separate from the understanding or ‘decoding’ of individual words.

The enjoyment of reading comes from comprehension, not decoding words. Kids who love to read have good comprehension skills.

How do I know there's no South Pole? I know because I have a Chinese fengshui compass with the  bottom taken out (I was a kid). In this compass, there is dip, and the white part (rather than red) is north. I also have another compass/whistle, than when I stuck it under the first compass, the needle shifted to red and the dip went away. In other words, regardless of which point you call north, the dip is nothing more than weak magnetism.

The magnet in question had a lodestone taken from the bottom. As a result, it became a very weak compass and  was dipping even in the northern hemisphere, though nonetheless, the wrong end pointed toward the North Pole. The other compass I had pointed to the same direction with the correct point,with no dip. Putting compass B underneath compass A inverted the wonky point of compass A and removed the dip.

The dip is due to negative buoyancy (what you'd call "gravity") being stronger than magnetism to a point.

Try a compass without the loadstone removed.

And are all the compass manufacturers in on the scam/conspiracy too?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.

« on: April 07, 2023, 10:26:39 AM »

Right so you commie pricks think that big government is the solution to everything.

Who said big government and who said everything? No one. But I like having a government make sure my bridges don't fall down, the sewer lines at least make to my house and the utility companies create the infrastructure to power and heat my home. And I unfortunately like some level of defense to keep other nations form taking over my country at will and installing a perhaps worse form of government.

Government doesn't build power stations. They hire people to get on a project, and they do it. Government doesn't build bridges and roads, though they offer up that phone rationalization for their continued existence.

And we get things like:

- TVA - FDR's ambitious plan transformed the Tennessee Valley by creating dams and reservoirs for electricity and flood control, controlling soil erosion through forest restoration and better farming techniques, and improving navigation and commerce along the Tennessee River.
- Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 - Created the Interstate highway system all across America
- Boulder Canyon Project Act (1928) - This act authorized the construction of the Hoover Dam on the Colorado River and the All-American Canal to the Imperial Valley in California.
- Works Progress Administration (WPA) (1935 and on) - work program for the unemployed that was created in 1935 under U.S. Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal. Built bridges, roads, public buildings, public parks and airports.

As well under the New Deal, many rural people lived in severe poverty, especially in the South. Major programs addressed to their needs included the Resettlement Administration (RA), the Rural Electrification Administration (REA), rural welfare projects sponsored by the WPA, National Youth Administration (NYA), Forest Service and Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC), including school lunches, building new schools, opening roads in remote areas, reforestation and purchase of marginal lands to enlarge national forests.

You might want to learn a little history. You seem to be lacking quite a bit.

1. You can have everyone in town build personal generators. Bye bye power grid.
2. Or as I saw from my brief stint in a cult, if you have people cooperating on an ideal, they can either save up together to buy a grid (look, they were able to buy it with taxes, same difference) or they can work together to built something.

Where can I buy a grid? Home Depot?

All in all great advice. Totally realistic and practical. I guess I'll start a cult on my block and get everyone to cooperate and share resources. We can build our own electric subsystem, ISP infrastructure, sewage collection/waste water treatment plant, drill some wells in the sidewalk for water, and dig a landfill in the street for garbage and trash. Maybe throw in a recycling facility for good measure. Yeah, totally makes sense.

None of this crap was what my parents spent their money money on. And yes, it is possible to do this privately.
https://fee.org/articles/roads-without-the-state/

Privatizing Roads Was a Great Idea. Not Anymore.
Behind this lofty bit of rhetoric was the humble toll booth -- in this case privately owned ones on privately owned roads. As governor of Indiana, Vice President Mike Pence tried out the strategy, turning over an expansion of I-69 to foreign investors. Trump now hopes to take this to the next level, making it the centerpiece of plans to revive America’s infrastructure.
Building and rebuilding America’s infrastructure is an unfathomably large task without easy solutions. But privatization is a dead end as long as it relies on investors who expect to make a steady profit. Just ask Mike Pence: Private investors spent years racking up debt on the road he sold them. In 2014, they filed for bankruptcy.

Cool, you want foreign investors running your toll roads and then what do you do when they go bankrupt?

Here's what you sign up for when you sign up for government.

Instead of going off in a pointless diatribe to deflect from your previous ridiculous and ignorant "solutions", why don't you actually try and address them:

- How do I create a cult and have us build all the infrastructure required; electric subsystem, ISP infrastructure, sewage collection/waste water treatment plant, wells for water, and landfill for garbage and trash?
- Where can my cult purchase a grid?
- What do I do when the foreign private investors who own my road want to charge me a $50 toll every time I want to use it? What recourse do I have? What's stopping them from doing so?

The cult in question was using manure for energy, and was using new members (who were convinced to give everything they had) to get more money. The goal being to set up solar and/or wind power and live on their own lines.

How'd that work out for them?

I eventually left because I wanted to keep my money, andbecause they creeped me out, but when I got there, they were laying PVC piping to irigate water, and had a significant avocado orchard. Anyone who thinks society cannot function without handing possessions out to to the government has never seen a group of completely driven people trying to build something.

So you became "uncooperative", so to speak, by leaving. You didn't want to give them your money. You just basically blew up your entire argument and displayed the exact example of what Jack pointed out: Your "greed" led to you not wanting to participate. Just as Jack mentioned. Imagine this on a larger scale. There would be those, many, who don't want to participate in a concept that requires everyone to participate in your very socialist society experiment to make it work.

You don't understand how east it is to slap together a road. And they intentionally build them bad so that they can keep repairing them. Meanwhile, the driveway you get when you hire a professional lasts for years.

Tell us how easy it it is to make a highway with on-ramps and off-ramps and bridges and signs and lanes and lights and guardrails. How easy is that? And could you be more daft? Your driveway lasts longer because one family drives on it, not a whole community and more who drive on roads with sedans, suvs, semi-trucks, etc. Seriously, think things through.

I live in a city.

- How do I create a cult and have us build all the infrastructure required; electric subsystem, ISP infrastructure, sewage collection/waste water treatment plant, wells for water, and landfill for garbage and trash?
- Where can my cult purchase a grid?
- What do I do to hose who refuse to participate in my socialist cult?
- What do I do when the foreign private investors who own my road want to charge me a $50 toll every time I want to use it? What recourse do I have? What's stopping them from doing so?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Pics of Another Sunrise Impossible on Flat Earth

« on: April 07, 2023, 09:50:32 AM »

Indeed, this same magical thinking tells people that "Oh no, they need to buy a new compass specifically designed to point north because they are now near the South Pole.

Jeez louise, it's not the "red painted" tip that is the issue. It's the "dip" weighting. Try and get a clue before you just start making things up...

Small pocket compasses have a magnetic needle pointer balanced on a sharp pivot. In use, the compass case is held in a horizontal plane. In the northern hemisphere, the magnetic field dips downward toward the north (the dip angle), which would cause the north-pointing end of the needle to droop downward. To prevent this, compasses intended for use in the northern hemisphere have the south-pointing end of the needle weighted to balance it. If a north hemisphere compass is used in the southern hemisphere, the south pointing end of its needle would dip a lot more, since that is the weighted end and the field lines dip toward the south. The needle would likely drag on the base of the compass. Simple compasses for use in the southern hemisphere have the north-pointing end of the needle weighted to prevent this. In fact, manufacturers of compasses customize them for five separate geographic zones.

You can spend some dough and get a really nice one that works in both hemispheres...


PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
Brunton 5005LM International Pocket Transit effectively reduces needle "dip" when professionals travel to different hemispheres. (Call us for the special balancing required for absolute precision in distant areas.) Powerful Alnico V magnets are mounted to a polished, cupped sapphire jewel bearing, allowing for smooth needle movement.

The South Pole does not exist.

How would you know?

Interesting that you can get a nice brass compass for $10.


But to "overcome compass dip", you need to pay 40 times the amount.

This is called a scam.

Goodness me. Do you ever think things through before posting? That extremely expensive compass is on a professional level and designed to limit dip in both hemispheres. Most regular old compasses are hemisphere specific in their weighting and cost a reasonable amount.

Here's a nice consumer hiker version. Suunto is a big maker in compasses. Just head over to your local REI:

https://www.rei.com/product/890930/suunto-m-3-d-leader-compass

Notice the Features listed (Hint: See red/bolded):

Features
- High-grade steel needle with jewel bearing
- Balanced for northern hemisphere
- Adjustable declination correction
- Liquid-filled capsule for stable operation
- Luminescent markings for working in low light
- Metric and Imperial scales
- Baseplate with magnifying lens
- Detachable snap-lock lanyard with wristlock
- Made in Finland

From REI's How to Choose a Compass page:

Advanced Compass Features
- Declination adjustment: “Declination” is the difference in degrees between true north and magnetic north. Because declination varies depending on where you are, adjustable declination is important to have. With adjustable declination, you set it and forget it until you travel to a new region.
- Sighting mirror: Helps you aim more precisely when following a precise bearing on a distant landmark. Also doubles as an emergency signaling device.
- Clinometer: Allows you to measure the vertical angle (steepness) of a slope; helpful for assessing avalanche hazards and the heights of objects.
- Global needle: This feature compensates for magnetic-field variances and allows a compass to work smoothly and accurately worldwide. Otherwise, a compass is either North- or South-America specific.

I suppose now you're gonna say that the compass manufacturing industry is in on the NWO Masonic Lizard People NASA conspiracy.

They call it being balanced for northern hemisphere, but what this means is that it's too weak from the sounds of it to work in the southern hemisphere.

What in the world does that mean? How is a compass "weakened"? Do explain.

So you now think the compass manufacturing industry is in on the conspiracy too?

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Happiness of heart and soul

« on: April 07, 2023, 09:47:27 AM »

Catz...

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moonlight: Dangers & Precautions

« on: April 07, 2023, 12:43:20 AM »

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Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: AUSTRALIA

« on: April 07, 2023, 12:41:39 AM »

TB wards in Kutzenberg - they say in a report broadcast on German TV - are resistant to escape and have a structure similar to modern prisons.

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Flat Earth General / Re: FES = Controlled Opposition

« on: April 07, 2023, 12:26:02 AM »

I've already spent here many, many hours and proved beyond reasonable doubt that we live in geocentric universe...

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Flat Earth General / Re: crescent moon question

« on: April 06, 2023, 07:52:06 PM »

You guys are literally so ignorant that you think the current definition of myth is the right one.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moonlight: Dangers & Precautions

« on: April 06, 2023, 07:52:45 AM »

You need to wear polarized glasses under your welding helmet if you go out to view the pink moon.

For f@ck's sake, I need to wear the welding helmet again? It's heavy and random people stare and point. But they're all suckers who will get the pink moon shramp virus. I won't!

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Flat Earth General / Re: FES = Controlled Opposition

« on: April 06, 2023, 07:49:34 AM »

Jack, don't make me laugh... We have been through all this numerous times.

And every time you have entirely failed to justify your claims.

Instead you were repeatedly refuted and then fled from the topic.

If you want to try again, go ahead and go back to those topics and try defending your claims.

We can continue our conversation here (if you want) https://forumla.freeforums.net/thread/20/geocentrizam-heliocentrizam?page=1#post-835

Too much noise here, and too many lunatics as well... You are stuborn HC believer, however your arguments are very often predicated on solid mathematics and sane reasoning... So i am willing to continue to talk with you there, if it suits you...

Who in their right mind would join that hyper fringe site that is mostly in Croatian and is just an 11 member conspiracy echo chamber?

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Happiness of heart and soul

« on: April 06, 2023, 07:30:24 AM »

Whoever leaves Islam must be killed.

False in the vast majority of cases. True under certain conditions.

At least you admit that you feel murdering people is ok. Who would want to be in a religion that murders people who no longer want to be in that religion? That's some seriously medieval shit.

145

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.

« on: April 06, 2023, 07:27:28 AM »

Right so you commie pricks think that big government is the solution to everything.

Who said big government and who said everything? No one. But I like having a government make sure my bridges don't fall down, the sewer lines at least make to my house and the utility companies create the infrastructure to power and heat my home. And I unfortunately like some level of defense to keep other nations form taking over my country at will and installing a perhaps worse form of government.

Government doesn't build power stations. They hire people to get on a project, and they do it. Government doesn't build bridges and roads, though they offer up that phone rationalization for their continued existence.

And we get things like:

- TVA - FDR's ambitious plan transformed the Tennessee Valley by creating dams and reservoirs for electricity and flood control, controlling soil erosion through forest restoration and better farming techniques, and improving navigation and commerce along the Tennessee River.
- Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 - Created the Interstate highway system all across America
- Boulder Canyon Project Act (1928) - This act authorized the construction of the Hoover Dam on the Colorado River and the All-American Canal to the Imperial Valley in California.
- Works Progress Administration (WPA) (1935 and on) - work program for the unemployed that was created in 1935 under U.S. Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal. Built bridges, roads, public buildings, public parks and airports.

As well under the New Deal, many rural people lived in severe poverty, especially in the South. Major programs addressed to their needs included the Resettlement Administration (RA), the Rural Electrification Administration (REA), rural welfare projects sponsored by the WPA, National Youth Administration (NYA), Forest Service and Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC), including school lunches, building new schools, opening roads in remote areas, reforestation and purchase of marginal lands to enlarge national forests.

You might want to learn a little history. You seem to be lacking quite a bit.

1. You can have everyone in town build personal generators. Bye bye power grid.
2. Or as I saw from my brief stint in a cult, if you have people cooperating on an ideal, they can either save up together to buy a grid (look, they were able to buy it with taxes, same difference) or they can work together to built something.

Where can I buy a grid? Home Depot?

All in all great advice. Totally realistic and practical. I guess I'll start a cult on my block and get everyone to cooperate and share resources. We can build our own electric subsystem, ISP infrastructure, sewage collection/waste water treatment plant, drill some wells in the sidewalk for water, and dig a landfill in the street for garbage and trash. Maybe throw in a recycling facility for good measure. Yeah, totally makes sense.

None of this crap was what my parents spent their money money on. And yes, it is possible to do this privately.
https://fee.org/articles/roads-without-the-state/

Privatizing Roads Was a Great Idea. Not Anymore.
Behind this lofty bit of rhetoric was the humble toll booth -- in this case privately owned ones on privately owned roads. As governor of Indiana, Vice President Mike Pence tried out the strategy, turning over an expansion of I-69 to foreign investors. Trump now hopes to take this to the next level, making it the centerpiece of plans to revive America’s infrastructure.
Building and rebuilding America’s infrastructure is an unfathomably large task without easy solutions. But privatization is a dead end as long as it relies on investors who expect to make a steady profit. Just ask Mike Pence: Private investors spent years racking up debt on the road he sold them. In 2014, they filed for bankruptcy.

Cool, you want foreign investors running your toll roads and then what do you do when they go bankrupt?

Here's what you sign up for when you sign up for government.

Instead of going off in a pointless diatribe to deflect from your previous ridiculous and ignorant "solutions", why don't you actually try and address them:

- How do I create a cult and have us build all the infrastructure required; electric subsystem, ISP infrastructure, sewage collection/waste water treatment plant, wells for water, and landfill for garbage and trash?
- Where can my cult purchase a grid?
- What do I do when the foreign private investors who own my road want to charge me a $50 toll every time I want to use it? What recourse do I have? What's stopping them from doing so?

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Flat Earth General / Re: FES = Controlled Opposition

« on: April 06, 2023, 01:38:23 AM »

First of all, I came to this forum as a global Earth believer. I actually wanted to see what all the fuss was about but quite quickly found that there were some very good arguments against the globe I accepted.

That didn’t take you very long to fully convert...

Do you have pictures proving this?
Do you have evidence , apart from Google Earth images or satellite images proving this?
I'm not a convinced flat Earth theorist, yet you cannot simply go on what you are saying by simply what you are told can you,if you are honest.

This Rowbotham read is fantastic.
I've read half way through it and already I am absolutely convinced we do not live on a globe, whether stationary or rotating.

It makes perfect sense for this Earth to be a disc, as in coin like appearance.
What I like about Rowbotham is, the experiments done do not require stupendously shoehorned head busting equations to come to a conclusion, unlike the rotating Earth model or the stationary round Earth model.

Over the next few days, I'm going to fully absorb this reading so I get the full understanding of it, yet it's the most convincing theory out of any I've ever seen and absolutely wipes the floor with the 1040 mph axis Earth spinning model we are brought up to be told to accept as fact and go with it.

Excellent stuff.

How long did it take for you to ditch Rowbotham and come up with your own ideas? I don’t mean any of this as disparaging - I’m genuinely curious at what seems like a rapid full conversion and more importantly, how and when your own ideas started to bubble up and what kicked it off into high gear - And perhaps what is it about this place that keeps you going as opposed to other forums. Like was it this particular forum that really helped move you along in your thinking? Did this place convince you of the GE mass indoctrination/conspiracy or was that a byproduct of just believing in FE?

Why the curiosity you may be thinking? It's an interesting thing to see how much of an impact a forum such as this has on someone. Where and how it may change their belief system or actually cement the one they already have.

Convert to what?

FE. You know, this bit, "I'm not a convinced flat Earth theorist" to 4 days later, "I am absolutely convinced we do not live on a globe".

Going back 10 years and yet even trying to use that as some argument by saying because I don't believe we live on a globe you are equating it to flat Earth belief which is exactly what I was talking about in my lengthy post.

As I said before there are many many alternates to a spinning global model and you know this.
But let's be clear about something.
The Earth in terms of water is basically flat and level.
The terrain varies in elevation and ruggedness.

I expected better but there you go.

I'm not following you at all as you are not clear at all. I'm not talking about alternates at large, I'm talking about what you believe.
Yes, water is essentially level, but you definition of level is different than mine. Your's means flat, mine means an approximately horizontal line or surface at a certain degree of altitude, or distance from the center of the earth. And yes, terrain, goes up and down.

Do you believe the earth is flat? Or are you not a flat earther and just an anti-Glober? My understaning is that you believe in a flat earth, just like your avatar as you mentioned before, with a dome, all that equals a flat earther, at least that's the criteria for most of the professed FERs I've run across. So I have no idea why you are being so vague.

I was literally asking how you so quickly went from "I'm not a convinced flat Earth theorist" to 4 days later, "I am absolutely convinced we do not live on a globe". And what caused such a transition. Especially in that limited amount of time.

Do you just not like the label of "Flat Earther" even though all that you believe in is pretty much core to the majority of flat earthers? Is that the issue? You don't like being labeled FE even thou you are FE? There are offshoots to globe model too, geocentrism. But at the end of the day, your avatar depiction of what you believe and your dome makes you FE. My belief in a spinning globe orbiting the sun makes me GE. It's pretty simple really.

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Flat Earth General / Re: FES = Controlled Opposition

« on: April 06, 2023, 01:18:38 AM »

There are only two days of the year...(followed by a hot mess)

What's the date?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Three different FE’s, three different butchered versions of gravity.

« on: April 06, 2023, 01:08:31 AM »

Right so you commie pricks think that big government is the solution to everything.

Who said big government and who said everything? No one. But I like having a government make sure my bridges don't fall down, the sewer lines at least make to my house and the utility companies create the infrastructure to power and heat my home. And I unfortunately like some level of defense to keep other nations form taking over my country at will and installing a perhaps worse form of government.

Government doesn't build power stations. They hire people to get on a project, and they do it. Government doesn't build bridges and roads, though they offer up that phone rationalization for their continued existence.

And we get things like:

- TVA - FDR's ambitious plan transformed the Tennessee Valley by creating dams and reservoirs for electricity and flood control, controlling soil erosion through forest restoration and better farming techniques, and improving navigation and commerce along the Tennessee River.
- Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 - Created the Interstate highway system all across America
- Boulder Canyon Project Act (1928) - This act authorized the construction of the Hoover Dam on the Colorado River and the All-American Canal to the Imperial Valley in California.
- Works Progress Administration (WPA) (1935 and on) - work program for the unemployed that was created in 1935 under U.S. Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal. Built bridges, roads, public buildings, public parks and airports.

As well under the New Deal, many rural people lived in severe poverty, especially in the South. Major programs addressed to their needs included the Resettlement Administration (RA), the Rural Electrification Administration (REA), rural welfare projects sponsored by the WPA, National Youth Administration (NYA), Forest Service and Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC), including school lunches, building new schools, opening roads in remote areas, reforestation and purchase of marginal lands to enlarge national forests.

You might want to learn a little history. You seem to be lacking quite a bit.

1. You can have everyone in town build personal generators. Bye bye power grid.
2. Or as I saw from my brief stint in a cult, if you have people cooperating on an ideal, they can either save up together to buy a grid (look, they were able to buy it with taxes, same difference) or they can work together to built something.

Where can I buy a grid? Home Depot?

All in all great advice. Totally realistic and practical. I guess I'll start a cult on my block and get everyone to cooperate and share resources. We can build our own electric subsystem, ISP infrastructure, sewage collection/waste water treatment plant, drill some wells in the sidewalk for water, and dig a landfill in the street for garbage and trash. Maybe throw in a recycling facility for good measure. Yeah, totally makes sense.

None of this crap was what my parents spent their money money on. And yes, it is possible to do this privately.
https://fee.org/articles/roads-without-the-state/

Privatizing Roads Was a Great Idea. Not Anymore.
Behind this lofty bit of rhetoric was the humble toll booth -- in this case privately owned ones on privately owned roads. As governor of Indiana, Vice President Mike Pence tried out the strategy, turning over an expansion of I-69 to foreign investors. Trump now hopes to take this to the next level, making it the centerpiece of plans to revive America’s infrastructure.
Building and rebuilding America’s infrastructure is an unfathomably large task without easy solutions. But privatization is a dead end as long as it relies on investors who expect to make a steady profit. Just ask Mike Pence: Private investors spent years racking up debt on the road he sold them. In 2014, they filed for bankruptcy.

Cool, you want foreign investors running your toll roads and then what do you do when they go bankrupt?

149

Flat Earth General / Re: crescent moon question

« on: April 06, 2023, 12:13:01 AM »

Sorry, but the likes of Hawking are astrologers not astronomers.

Wrong (as usual) on all accounts. Hawking was neither an astronomer nor astrologer, he was a theoretical physicist, cosmologist.

Astronomer: a scientist in the field of astronomy who focuses their studies on a specific question or field outside the scope of Earth. They observe astronomical objects such as stars, planets, moons, comets and galaxies – in observational (by analyzing the data).

Astrologer: a person who practices a range of divinatory practices, that claim to discern information about human affairs and terrestrial events by studying the apparent positions of celestial objects.

Theoretical Physicist: a scientist within a branch of physics that employs mathematical models and abstractions of physical objects and systems to rationalize, explain and predict natural phenomena.

Cosmologist: a scientist within a branch of physics and metaphysics dealing with the nature of the universe.

These numbers are just so much mumbo jumbo, and not based on any real observations.

What measurements or calculations did you perform to determine this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_astrology

Until the 17th century, astrology was considered a scholarly tradition, and it helped drive the development of astronomy. It was commonly accepted in political and cultural circles, and some of its concepts were used in other traditional studies, such as alchemy, meteorology and medicine. By the end of the 17th century, emerging scientific concepts in astronomy, such as heliocentrism, undermined the theoretical basis of astrology, which subsequently lost its academic standing and became regarded as a pseudoscience.

Important reading before you try to correct me on terms.

As late as the 17th century, astrology was considered science. Speaking of which, as late as the early 20th century there were ads for things like tapeworms as weight loss suggestions. And before that, humours and bleeding.

Religion and history was my forte in college, and I actually know the root of most scientific disciplines. They didn't arrive (as you seem to imagine) from scholarly and logical disciplines. They came from very illogical fields in most cases. Alchemy became chemistry, cloudreading became meteorology, astrology breame astronomy. Psychology came from shamanism and cold readings. You do not know what you are talking about.

As for "cosmology", this is a discipline of myth not science. Cosmologists are not scientists, they are storytellers who have traded a religious narrative for a secular one. But there is no such thing as proving a cosmology. Ancient Egypt has a cosmology where the universe hatched from an egg. Shinto cosmology has a man and a woman swirling a spear in the water.

Cosmology is a discipline stolen from religion.

Ummm, yeah, everything came from somewhere. So what? The incredible physics and engineering of supersonic planes came from Daedalus' waxy wings. Modern medicine came from ancient "medicinal" practices relying heavily on faith, religion, and magic. We didn't even know about bacterium until Pasteur.

So, according to you, modern aircraft/air travel is basically based upon myth, therefore it is not science. Modern medicine is based upon myth, therefore it is not science - There is no science, only myth.

Do you not believe in the evolution and advancement of knowledge? Your argument is pathetically weak.

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Flat Earth General / Re: FES = Controlled Opposition

« on: April 05, 2023, 11:52:46 PM »

You might get away with this in front of a reporter who doesn't know physics one way or the other, but if you are dealing with a physicist it won't be so easy.

You claim only you as the keeper of FET knows the date of the reversal of the magnetic poles. So if you think you know more about flat earth than the admin of the Flat Earth Society, why don't you prove it. What's the date?

Or are you like one of those end of the world charlatans that is always cagey about when it will be so that they can claim when the date passes and we're all still here that it is was a slight miscalculation? Are you a charlatan? I would say so if you don't pony up - So what's the date?