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Flat Earth General / Re: UFO's come from infinite earth beyond Antarctica
« on: October 09, 2018, 10:07:20 AM »
It isn't governments that have come up with working models of the universe through experimentation, observation and calculation. It's independent thinkers who are completely the opposite of people that blindly believe what they are told. They/we are the genuine seekers of truth who have made and continue to make the effort to establish it.

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Flat Earth General / Re: UFO's come from infinite earth beyond Antarctica
« on: October 09, 2018, 05:34:32 AM »
We'd all like one day for a veil to be drawn back and reveal all the answers to life are simple, everything is really magic and we will all live forever in a fantasy land made of cheese and chocolate. Some people want it so much that they confuse dreams with reality.

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Flat Earth General / Re: UFO's come from infinite earth beyond Antarctica
« on: October 08, 2018, 08:32:57 AM »
C.S. Lewis was British too Rab. Us Brits seem to like our alternate worlds!

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Flat Earth General / Re: Johannesburg - Perth - Amsterdam
« on: September 28, 2018, 04:08:42 AM »
Every pilot who has ever been allowed to fly half of the long haul journeys is also in on the (totally pointless) conspiracy. We're now up to about half a million people at least that are in on it. Amazing they have managed to keep all of them silent on the matter.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth "Leader" Gets His Best 5 Points Ruined!!
« on: September 17, 2018, 05:10:59 AM »
Huge coincidence that the tides are in sync with the position of the moon and their strength proportional to its distance. Perhaps the moon is making the earth breathe.....

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Flat Earth General / Re: First Man
« on: September 14, 2018, 10:17:14 AM »
I would say here in the States about 30 percent of the population do not believe in moon landings and another 50 percent are very skeptical. So this leaves only 20 percent of people who firmly believe. Well the Zombies will believe anything. I don't know if you guys saw the videos how angry the "Moon Astronauts" when an independent journalist was questioning their mission. If something is true why get angry? But if something is false or fake, then of course you get defensive and mean about it. The reaction from astronauts was a solid proof they never went there.

Subjective interpretation of some selected reactions is evidence of nothing, let alone solid proof (you need to look that word up).

I once won my district's track championship, if someone followed me around claiming I didn't I'd be very angry about it. I can only imagine how angry someone who'd succeeded in going to the moon and back would be if they'd had to put up with underacheivers persistently claiming they didn't against all actually supportable evidence.


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Flat Earth General / Re: Just Curious
« on: September 14, 2018, 10:08:06 AM »
I have visited an astronomical observatory.

In fact, I encourage everyone to visit one and a planetarium (Chicago's Adler is a terrific place to visit!) as a planetarium is clear and visual scientific evidence of how the heavens encircle the flat plane of the earth.


They don't because in wherever different people stand on the flat floor of a planetarium they will see the same thing.
Err...

No, they won't.
Phone someone up 3,000 miles away on your flat earth and they will confirm that they are seeing something different when they look at the sky.
I do not need to telephone someone 3000 miles away when people standing in the same room with obviously different perspectives will relate different accounts of what they see.

Err yes they will. They will see the same projection.

In order for people on a flat earth to view different stars and bodies many miles apart but then see the same thing at the same latitude  a set period later, those stars and bodies would all have to be on the same moving background a measurably short fixed distance away. They aren't.


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Flat Earth General / Re: Just Curious
« on: September 14, 2018, 06:33:13 AM »
I have visited an astronomical observatory.

In fact, I encourage everyone to visit one and a planetarium (Chicago's Adler is a terrific place to visit!) as a planetarium is clear and visual scientific evidence of how the heavens encircle the flat plane of the earth.


They don't because in wherever different people stand on the flat floor of a planetarium they will see the same thing. Phone someone up 3,000 miles away on your flat earth and they will confirm that they are seeing something different when they look at the sky.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Does anyone fear for their lives?
« on: September 14, 2018, 06:27:51 AM »
There is nothing wrong with a healthy fear of death. Everyone that doesn't have one foot in the grave already (sorry rab) only have to live a little longer before we have the technology to download a consciousness to the extranet and later, android bodies.

and then you'll easily be able to upload to an orbiting satellite and look down on the earth!

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why NASA?
« on: September 12, 2018, 06:40:40 AM »
If NASA is responsible for most of the tech in our every day lives across the world, why on earth would they need to invent space travel to make money? (accepting it does have that effect for argument's sake) They'd have the most profitable business in history already without it.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Does anyone fear for their lives?
« on: September 11, 2018, 04:34:56 AM »
Since it seems we few have our eyes open and are willing to speak the truth, do any fear that their days may be numbered?  That NASA or some other agency will wipe them out?

If anyone could come up with even the most basic working model of a non globe earth then you might be on to something. but I haven't seen one. Perhaps NASA has already wiped out anyone who's managed it, uou're all quite safe here either way.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Why NASA?
« on: September 11, 2018, 04:31:30 AM »
If the ASI says that gravity is the strongest force then it falls down immediately. You only have to see a small magnet winning against the gravity of a whole planet as you pin your shopping list to the fridge with one. That's electro-magnetism winning that one straight off the bat.....

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Flat Earth General / Re: What's the motive?
« on: September 10, 2018, 08:06:24 AM »
Well for starters..those who seek the spotlights in ancient times in modern alike mostly are driven to spend their time in nothing other than telling,hearing or discovering something revolutionary and unique.
The more outragious the better....sets you apart from the mediocre rest.(Einstein's relativity)

It was common practice to create new and exiting hypothesis within certain boundaries of the given culture or major conviction.

This sounds like a confession. So all assertions about the shape of the earth and solar system could have been so motivated in the past and therefore the flat earth model should be treated with no less suspicion than any other.

Yet the heliocentric globe model works with even the most simple of home measurements and observations, while the non-globe theories fall down very early on. So we're well on our way to establishing which one is right quite easily.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Antarctica
« on: September 07, 2018, 07:50:41 AM »


Yet, every flat earth map I have seen

You've seen a flat earth map?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Nasa
« on: September 07, 2018, 07:45:34 AM »
You're not a god either yet you pontificate that things are one way without a working model. Science is the opposite from that. All scientists do is provide models, they are happy for them to be proved inadequate and replaced by better models. However a theory without a working model is worthless and to claim it to be the true state of affairs in those circumstances a nonsense.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What's the motive?
« on: September 07, 2018, 07:03:36 AM »
The thing is they don't make money out of it. Unless they are faking all the employees and suppliers they are paying the money too. Which seems unlikely to be sustainable through 60+ years of audits.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Midnight Clouds~
« on: September 07, 2018, 06:56:06 AM »
So these clouds that cause night time accumulate in a set timing pattern, happening increasingly earlier (later in the morning) as we head to winter and then increasingly later (earlier in the morning) as we approach mid summer? This enables us to predict 'sunset' and 'sunrise' times which have been exactly as predicted for hundreds of years? Ok!

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Flat Earth General / Re: Infinite ocean and super continents
« on: September 07, 2018, 04:26:11 AM »
IF you are going to apply Globe science to infinite earth you will get nowhere.

Yes that's the problem with fantasies. They don't work in reality,

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No. Read worlds beyond the poles. It explains how this is not only possible but Is the case, it explains your defects as a human and our faults. Because we donít understand ourselves as a human enough to understand how we see things in general and how itís different from reality.

If you believe that's true how can you believe in anything environmental/geographical. e.g. an infinite land mass, so strongly?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Moon landing?
« on: July 25, 2018, 07:30:01 AM »
Edmund Hilary went up Everest once, he never went back. Why? No point. To date NASA hasn't had a strong enough case to return to the moon to present to The Treasury.

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Curved surface has nothing to do with it as there is no curved surface.

Atmoplane conditions and air quality are all that is in play here and all that ever is in play in regard to how far one can see.


If that were the case there wouldn't be a distance where you could see only the tops of some of the buildings and the tops only, regardless of conditions, but there are.

Retreat further and you can can see nothing regardless of conditions, despite being able to see those tops from the closer position with absolute clarity in good conditions.

Not consistent with the earth being flat.




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A ball is a good way to describe the earth yet a perfect ball lacks features. So if the earth were flat a straight line would be reasonable to describe a cross section of the the surface. If you were to shrink the earth to 4 inches across it would be smoother than a pool ball. Surprising perhaps but true. It is more or less spherical though of course.

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I think following Flat Earth Theory to be part of a debating club and believing the earth to be flat are two different things. I imagine the latter is a much smaller group.

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Flat Earth General / Re: A different kind of question
« on: May 09, 2018, 04:47:46 AM »
The sun doesn't rise and set at the same time every day but the earth is also travelling around the sun and at a tilt. This is easily measurable by observation and which is perfect fit of the simple yet rigorously tested and proven globe earth model.

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Flat Earth General / Re: perhaps the earth isn't flat or round.
« on: May 04, 2018, 10:21:53 AM »
you all are just perpetuating a cycle of hate, if you think the other theory is wrong, then make a theory that fits all of the criteria instead of just being at each others throats.

That is Round Earth theory. It fits all observations and recorded data. Long before before spaceflight was thought even possible.

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Flat Earth General / Re: We'll grown by former NASA officers
« on: May 02, 2018, 09:34:29 AM »
What has earth shape got to do with denying god? Did god ever state the earth was flat according to the bible? The existence of god and the earth being a globe are not mutually exclusive surely.

It's perfectly possible to believe in all that science has taught us but retain a faith or an agnostic position.
Intelligent designed species vs random luck and cosmic accidents that created life, made possible because of an extreme timespan
Earth as the highlight and centre of creation vs earth as one of billions of possible planets that could also contain life forms (earth only one of many , located somewhere in the corner of our universe)
Earth as an unmovable object vs earth scattered through space around the sun, milkyway spiral arm, away from the big bang
Heaven as unseen reality behind creation vs the unifying string theory with infinite dimensions, infinite timelines and infinite universes that explains what we cannot see

If someone believes the latter is true, where does any ''god'' come into play ??
A ''god'' that wasn't really involved in any of the above has no business at all.

No those things are still not mutually exclusive. People might be disappointed to find out that god didn't create just the earth and the things they can immediately see but that wouldn't mean that god didn't create the universe in all its vastness and all the laws of physics which govern it. God may have made it this way for people to discover that and all the universe has to offer. Surely god would want people to realise they are as insignificant physically as can be.

I'm not saying there is or isn't a god incidentally. In fact I'm proposing that agnosticism is the only position humanity is currently equipped to take based on our level of knowledge and logic.

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Flat Earth General / Re: When did you first realize Earth was flat?
« on: May 02, 2018, 09:28:08 AM »

Scientific FACTS: If the Earth is supposedly Round, why has all the water not fell to the Bottom? Hmm!!


To the bottom of what and what force would me making it fall there?

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Flat Earth General / Re: We'll grown by former NASA officers
« on: April 30, 2018, 07:02:55 AM »
What has earth shape got to do with denying god? Did god ever state the earth was flat according to the bible? The existence of god and the earth being a globe are not mutually exclusive surely.

It's perfectly possible to believe in all that science has taught us but retain a faith or an agnostic position.


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Flat Earth General / Re: When did you first realize Earth was flat?
« on: April 30, 2018, 06:58:52 AM »

Are you really, really serious ???


I'm pretty sure he really, really isn't....

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Flat Earth General / Re: FE'rs in space
« on: April 30, 2018, 05:49:48 AM »
Ok then

Here is evidence we live in a galaxy that looks like this. Don't question it. Just accept  8)



Evidence

The really funny thing about this is that this is a photograph. Not of the Milky Way of course but of our neighbour the Andromeda Galaxy (M31). You can see it yourself through binoculars (naked eye on a clear dark night) and while it won't look like that, some fairly affordable photographic equipment and a motorised equatorial mount will get you something close.

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