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Flat Earth General / Re: zetetic analysis of the faq
« on: March 19, 2019, 11:08:56 AM »

... zetetic dismisses all that is not direct evidence of your own eyes.


Welcome back from your vacation,  jimster.

Nice to see your new topic count is now less than half of your post count. Keep it up!

Your idea of zeteticism is not correct. Zeteticism does not forbid observations made by someone else. Maybe read up on the topic before you next post about what it is and isn't.

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Again for idiots; there is nothing rules as "swear". You are forcing the rules as how you want. You are changing the words because you need an excuse for your crimes. It is clear; it has to be insult, as how you did it.

You are not doing your obvious job against insults, because you are insulters too. But you are forcing rules, "swearing to your topic" that has no sense, but you need it. Because your decision has no sense.

You might care to reread the initial sentence of the forum rules.

"The site administration has final say over the interpretation and enforcement of these rules."

Bored now.

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Suggestions & Concerns / Acceptable / unacceptable avatar images
« on: March 18, 2019, 08:25:38 AM »
Is SkepticMike's avatar image, which is visible in upper fora posts, and which can be seen prominently in public by bystanders even if I am scrolling through posts at a reasonable speed on my phone, considered acceptable or unacceptable?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Leak information
« on: March 18, 2019, 07:55:24 AM »


As well, sheer numbers mean little. It is likely that the guy in a back room performing mathematical calculations for a "rocket launch" would never know.

You have a very interesting perception about how an industry (of which you have no personal knowledge) works.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Experiment to Prove the Flat Earth Model
« on: March 13, 2019, 07:42:31 PM »
How do you measure straight lines in specific directions over long distances?

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Flat Earth General / Re: software engineering and FE
« on: March 12, 2019, 01:06:10 PM »
An object moving in a circle is accelerating.

Interesting approach.


It's not an approach, it's the definition of acceleration. Change in velocity (velocity being both speed and direction) with time.

You are 100% correct - in a Newtonian universe. It certainly is changing direction in a Newtonian universe, even in Newtonian space-time.


Great. Just what I've been saying. It's a wonder that's there was any disagreement.


However, the discussion isn't about Newton's view of the universe.


Hmm. That's odd. Your tangent off into talking about satellites in perfect orbit was:

Let's say you are on a satellite then. Let's say it is in a perfect orbit above the earth, which is to say it's altitude is constant, and those on board feel no acceleration. In other words, its in an inertial frame of reference.

We know from Newton that must mean that it is traveling a straight line at a constant speed through space time, or that it is not moving at all. We can safely enough assume it is traveling at a constant speed and not accelerating. Can you agree with this?

You discussed Newtonian physics. I replied to Newtonian physics.


Newton's laws of motion apply to relativity.

Newtonian space time does not apply to relativistic space time.

It is clear that you have no idea what you are talking about, and are now back peddling. Can the grown ups talk now? There is no doubt that we were talking about relativity.

Keep pretending. That imagination of yours will do you wonders.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Universal Acceleration
« on: March 12, 2019, 09:13:42 AM »
There's no issue with UA continually accelerating the Flat Earth until it reaches the speed of light. Duh!

Everybody knows the process resets and starts from zero every night while everyone is asleep.

 :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

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Flat Earth General / Re: software engineering and FE
« on: March 12, 2019, 07:59:16 AM »
An object moving in a circle is accelerating.

Interesting approach.


It's not an approach, it's the definition of acceleration. Change in velocity (velocity being both speed and direction) with time.

You are 100% correct - in a Newtonian universe. It certainly is changing direction in a Newtonian universe, even in Newtonian space-time.


Great. Just what I've been saying. It's a wonder that's there was any disagreement.


However, the discussion isn't about Newton's view of the universe.


Hmm. That's odd. Your tangent off into talking about satellites in perfect orbit was:

Let's say you are on a satellite then. Let's say it is in a perfect orbit above the earth, which is to say it's altitude is constant, and those on board feel no acceleration. In other words, its in an inertial frame of reference.

We know from Newton that must mean that it is traveling a straight line at a constant speed through space time, or that it is not moving at all. We can safely enough assume it is traveling at a constant speed and not accelerating. Can you agree with this?

You discussed Newtonian physics. I replied to Newtonian physics.


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Flat Earth General / Re: software engineering and FE
« on: March 11, 2019, 05:02:25 PM »
An object moving in a circle is accelerating.
Interesting approach.
It's not an approach, it's the definition of acceleration. Change in velocity (velocity being both speed and direction) with time.
But if that centripetal acceleration is supplied by another acceleration, such as gravity, is the object still accelerating?
It, eg the ISS, and objects inside it feel (almost) no acceleration.

"Feeling" no acceleration does not imply no acceleration.

Passengers inside the "Vomit Comet" or similar aircraft on the downward leg of the parabola are accelerating at 9.8 m/s^2 downward, yet they "feel" weightless.

Consider the common thought experiment of a man in a box in a 1-g field, and a man in a box accelerating at 9.8 m/s^2 which are said to be indistinguishable. A distinction rarely made is that the box in a 1-g field is supported and not moving.

Extrapolate to a man in a box in a 1-g field where the box is not supported (i.e., a free-falling elevator). The man will "feel" weightless, yet be accelerating at 9.8 m/s^2.

It's common to say one "feels" acceleration. You don't. You feel the forces act on you as a result of acceleration.

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Flat Earth General / Re: software engineering and FE
« on: March 11, 2019, 02:14:10 PM »
An object moving in a circle is accelerating.

Interesting approach.


It's not an approach, it's the definition of acceleration. Change in velocity (velocity being both speed and direction) with time.

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Flat Earth General / Re: software engineering and FE
« on: March 11, 2019, 01:55:00 PM »

Ok, so if you agree such a perfect satellite is not experiencing acceleration ...


I don't. It is.

An object moving in a circle at constant speed experiences a change in the direction of its velocity vector over time. Change of velocity with time is the definition of acceleration.

That you choose to think otherwise, or pretend to think otherwise, is telling.
I'm not talking to you. I'm not here to teach you relativity.

Yeah, but I am talking to you. Deal with it.

An object moving in a circle is accelerating.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« on: March 11, 2019, 12:41:23 PM »

Temperature is the speed at which the electrons orbit in their atoms.



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Flat Earth General / Re: Bob Knodel and the laser ring gyroscope
« on: March 11, 2019, 08:23:21 AM »
I thought Bob said that the 15 degrees per hour was after correcting for latitude.

But, if you tipped the gyro up to point its sensitive axis toward the north pole, wouldn't it read the 15 degrees per hour regardless of your location?

What is the rationale for "correcting for latitude" on a flat earth?

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Flat Earth General / Re: software engineering and FE
« on: March 10, 2019, 07:02:18 PM »

Ok, so if you agree such a perfect satellite is not experiencing acceleration ...


I don't. It is.

An object moving in a circle at constant speed experiences a change in the direction of its velocity vector over time. Change of velocity with time is the definition of acceleration.

That you choose to think otherwise, or pretend to think otherwise, is telling.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Bob Knodel and the laser ring gyroscope
« on: March 10, 2019, 05:52:22 PM »
So no one has yet addressed the issue that a single axis RLG or FOG as shown in stills during Behind the Curve could not possibly measure a rotation of 15 deg/hr?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Bob Knodel and the laser ring gyroscope
« on: March 10, 2019, 05:28:38 PM »
Does anyone have any information about the ring laser gyroscope tests mentioned in "Behind the Curve" other than the trivial amount shown?

I was concerned about a potential error (way back in the second post of this thread) which I don't think anyone here has yet brought up, so I'm looking for any other info about the experiment itself.

Thanks!

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The Lounge / Re: Bob Knodel a.k.a the engineer
« on: March 09, 2019, 10:31:59 PM »
I have no doubt there are "programmers" who are not engineers. I've certainly been on both sides of the fence. To say all that develop software are not engineers is ludicrous and shows both a huge amount of hubris and a huge amount of ignorance of the domain.

If you'd like to present an argument CaC, do so. I don't have time to sort through someone else's argument to try to find out what you are trying to get at. In my experience, most arguments to this line are extremely poorly thought out and in general very weak to even cursory inspection.

Some people who claim to be engineers aren't.
Sure. Some people who claim to be astronauts aren't either. Or physics professors. We've had a few of both over the years stop by. What's your point?

If you'd like to present an argument CaC, do so.

Some people who claim to be engineers aren't.

That.

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Flat Earth General / Re: proof of the location ISS
« on: March 09, 2019, 05:31:36 PM »
These guys used telescopes, the angles they pointed, and the known distance between each other to find the height of the ISS as it passed in front of the Moon


they found it to be about 400 km up.

At least narrator of the second video isn't a douchenozzle like the narrator of the first.

There are limited opportunities to do lunar transit observations, and part of what they're doing requires some specialized equipment. It may not be something that many people are willing to invest that amount of time or money.

I've previously outlined a simpler method
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=78484.msg2118276#msg2118276

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Flat Earth General / Re: proof of the location ISS
« on: March 09, 2019, 05:07:39 PM »

I would suspect that the content of the videos might be far more important that "Where's Wally jimster?"


Not really, since the content of the videos doesn't address my request if it's the experience of other people.

Which may also answer:


Why do flat-earthers completely ignore evidence like this "proof of the location ISS" presented by Jimster?


It may be that people are tired of, and perfectly happy to ignore anything presented by jimster because of his "I'm right, you're wrong; I'm smart, you're stupid; explain that, flat-earther" attitude.

I find it amusing that we had to wait three whole hours in yet another one of "Start-another-topic-jimster"'s easily ignorable threads for someone to complain about why no one was responding to it.


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Flat Earth General / Re: proof of the location ISS
« on: March 09, 2019, 02:35:51 PM »

Okay, guess which one is me?


I don't really have an hour to watch all those just to play a guessing game. I'll guess you're tricky and the answer is none of them.

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Flat Earth General / Re: proof of the location ISS
« on: March 09, 2019, 10:17:18 AM »
You can buy an FM UHF receiver and make a yagi antenna.

https://makezine.com/projects/make-24/homemade-yagi-antenna/

Very directional, you must point it at the transmitter, so you can verify at least the direction. You can also see it optically.

https://spotthestation.nasa.gov/

You can see something travelling across the sky, point your yagi at it, and verify it is emitting radio waves. When you point the yagi away, no signal, they are coming from the same place.

Are we all agreed that something is reflacting or generating light, and a UHF signal is coming from the same place?


Aw, cool! Please post a picture of the antenna you made and tell us all about your experience with tracking the ISS!

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Flat Earth General / Re: software engineering and FE
« on: March 08, 2019, 12:46:20 PM »

Again, I must stress I am talking of a perfect orbit, with a perfectly circular planet, and an absolute constant velocity.


Are you? Or will you have an issue with the differences between velocity and speed in the future?

Maybe you providing the force diagram I suggested previously would be a good idea, as it might avoid these amusing little interludes.

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Flat Earth General / Re: software engineering and FE
« on: March 08, 2019, 10:56:45 AM »
Can I ever find out how a sextant works on FE without giving latitude 26 at the equator? I have been asking since I came here.

Maybe you should start another topic somewhere.

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The Lounge / Re: Bob Knodel a.k.a the engineer
« on: March 08, 2019, 10:47:41 AM »
I have no doubt there are "programmers" who are not engineers. I've certainly been on both sides of the fence. To say all that develop software are not engineers is ludicrous and shows both a huge amount of hubris and a huge amount of ignorance of the domain.

If you'd like to present an argument CaC, do so. I don't have time to sort through someone else's argument to try to find out what you are trying to get at. In my experience, most arguments to this line are extremely poorly thought out and in general very weak to even cursory inspection.

Some people who claim to be engineers aren't.

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Flat Earth General / Re: software engineering and FE
« on: March 08, 2019, 10:42:40 AM »

We know from Newton that must mean that it is traveling a straight line at a constant speed through space time, or that it is not moving at all.


Sigh.

"Every object persists in its state of rest or uniform motion - in a straight line unless it is compelled to change that state by forces impressed on it."

You accept the first part, but conveniently forget ... or intentionally ignore ... the second part.

Imagine you are in a satellite that has stopped moving with respect to the Earth. It will fall to the ground. The thing that makes it fall to the ground is a force ... call it "quavity." That force is applicable to your satellite as well. That force of quavity impresses your satellite to change its straight line motion.

Your naps during your physics classes are showing.
Gravity isn't a force mate. Its a pseudo-force. Perhaps you are the one that shouldn't have dozed off. If it was changing its straight line motion, then it would be accelerating.

I never said anything about gravity. I specifically referred to the force that makes things fall to the ground ... "quavity."

And yes, a thing moving in a perfect circle at constant velocity is accelerating. Thanks for making that point.

Oh, so you understand forces. Good. Rather than making silly analogies and descriptions that are subject to misinterpretation, please provide a force diagram of your conjecture.
How does something move in a perfect circle at a constant velocity?

I was speaking colloquially, I did not think you would be stymied by common usage. Replace constant velocity with constant speed; that should ease your troubled mind.

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Flat Earth General / Re: software engineering and FE
« on: March 08, 2019, 10:36:24 AM »

We already know it is not.


Your added comment relies on your original incorrect assumption "those on board feel no acceleration. In other words, its in an inertial frame of reference." Feeling no acceleration does not imply an inertial frame of reference.

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Flat Earth General / Re: software engineering and FE
« on: March 08, 2019, 10:14:28 AM »

We know from Newton that must mean that it is traveling a straight line at a constant speed through space time, or that it is not moving at all.


Sigh.

"Every object persists in its state of rest or uniform motion - in a straight line unless it is compelled to change that state by forces impressed on it."

You accept the first part, but conveniently forget ... or intentionally ignore ... the second part.

Imagine you are in a satellite that has stopped moving with respect to the Earth. It will fall to the ground. The thing that makes it fall to the ground is a force ... call it "quavity." That force is applicable to your satellite as well. That force of quavity impresses your satellite to change its straight line motion.

Your naps during your physics classes are showing.
Gravity isn't a force mate. Its a pseudo-force. Perhaps you are the one that shouldn't have dozed off. If it was changing its straight line motion, then it would be accelerating.

I never said anything about gravity. I specifically referred to the force that makes things fall to the ground ... "quavity."

And yes, a thing moving in a perfect circle at constant velocity is accelerating. Thanks for making that point.

Oh, so you understand forces. Good. Rather than making silly analogies and descriptions that are subject to misinterpretation, please provide a force diagram of your conjecture.

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The Lounge / Re: Bob Knodel a.k.a the engineer
« on: March 08, 2019, 09:11:07 AM »
I am an engineer. I self identify as a FE'er.
So many people do just that. For example jroa (now renamed to  ::) ::) ::)) used to have as Custom Title: "Custodial Engineer" ie "Floor Sweeper".

But if you claim to be a FE Engineer I do hope that you have the required qualifications from the Flat Earth Community University, FECU ;D.
We wouldn't want unqualified people claiming such an important role, would we?
I claim myself as an engineer because that's what I get paid to do everyday of my life and its my job title.

https://www.nspe.org/resources/blogs/nspe-blog/the-cheapening-the-engineer-title

https://m.slashdot.org/story/325431

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Flat Earth General / Re: software engineering and FE
« on: March 08, 2019, 08:54:57 AM »

We know from Newton that must mean that it is traveling a straight line at a constant speed through space time, or that it is not moving at all.


Sigh.

"Every object persists in its state of rest or uniform motion - in a straight line unless it is compelled to change that state by forces impressed on it."

You accept the first part, but conveniently forget ... or intentionally ignore ... the second part.

Imagine you are in a satellite that has stopped moving with respect to the Earth. It will fall to the ground. The thing that makes it fall to the ground is a force ... call it "quavity." That force is applicable to your satellite as well. That force of quavity impresses your satellite to change its straight line motion.

Your naps during your physics classes are showing.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Elon Musk Space X launches person to ISS
« on: March 07, 2019, 01:56:45 PM »

So relative to the ground, if i jump on the spot in a plane, I have smashed every single world record for long jumping. Hell, I could walk the long jump.

Where is my medal?  8)

You assume no one has ever jumped forward on a plane.

Yes, if there was a category for jumps relative to the ground while in a moving vehicle, the distances would be greater than jumps while not in a moving vehicle.

You wouldn't hold the record though.

In fact, the late Stephen Hawking has a better jump than you.

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