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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The full rotating earth
« on: August 09, 2022, 08:10:39 AM »I think I can see my house.
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I believe your dressing table is demanding that you upgrade it to nice shiny new self closing ball bearing drawer slides.
While it is out of character for gothic furniture, a smooth closing drawer creates joy in the hearts of everyone.
I just had a vision of an alternate reality where the next PM of the UK made it one of the things he campaigns on to be retaking "The Colonies".
I think its time to try again. They need someone sensible in charge.
and leave Kinder eggs for the kiddies courtesy of uncle Sam.Excuse you? I think you meant Hershey's milk chocolate candy eggs? Or maybe Reese's egg-shaped peanut butter cups? My freedom translator got confused and thought there was some kind of weird Cadbury egg shaped thing you might be referring to with toys inside and that is an abomination. I'll have to consult a Watchtower magazine to figure out the proper penance for this kind of blasphemy.
She will be a sacrifice to Satan, as she’s a catholic and represents (if my memory serves) San Francisco which is Sodom by the sea, and then we can get on with the real end of all wars instead of fannying around in Ukraine, the real Christians will get to see their rapture not appear, this will be blamed on the poor for not buying the clergy enough Lear jets and coke, Tucker Carlson will be the last president of the USA, and will declare radiation poisoning fake news, his plastic skin will protect him better than most and satellites will track him long after all others have perished as he walks amongst his dead congregation collecting teeth.
Animals will rejoice and the earth after 10,000 years will become a paradise, god will decide that intelligence is overrated and ban it in any animal capable of gripping stuff and the whales will fill the oceans with song.
So, maybe a good thing, if you are a cockroach.
Cheery little soul aren't you just.
Got any other good news?
You clearly didn't read the link I provided.
So, (As I said when I started this), we agree to differ on just about everything, because I don’t support nuclear means I’m a coal backer!Until only the last few years, your options to power the world was a mix between coal or nuclear. There was no option 3. Being anti-nuclear meant preferring coal as an alternative. And this alternative was worse. Both for human life lost and environmental damage. The correct approach is to look at all the evidence in front of you, and make a decision on that. Not look at one piece of evidence "radiation is magic murder dust" and base everything around that.
Now that we have other sources, Im open to us pushing more towards them over Nuclear, and especially any fossil fuel.check out Hanford nuclear reservation 2017) and how you interpret the phrase “failed to show any direct correlation between their radiation exposure and cancer or other disease”The Hanford nuclear reservation is ancient when no one knew anything about the dangers of nuclear waste. How about looking at modern examples of waste disposal and management. Most radioactive waste also has half-life of a few years. Not everything has a 100 000 year half life. It matters what kind of waste it is.
The study I showed was a 50 year study that look at actual measured increase in cancer rates. So its pretty much accurate. A lot of studies are bad, it does not mean they are all bad.
I agree, nuclear would arrive too late to do anything. If the anti-nuclear rhetoric never took off, we would be in a much better world today. Pity it never did.
Radiation is not some magical murder dust that kills you on sight.
And there we are, I don’t fully trust the Japanese about this, losing face in front of the world is humiliating to the country in a way westerners do not understand.
When the Chernobyl explosion was making that wonderful wildlife refuge it was dosing Europe in a mixture of radioactive dust, if it hadn’t had been for the Swedish thinking they had a leak at one of their plants and then tracing back the plume with satellite imagery, the Russians would probably not admitted it happened.
Even so 10,000 British upland farms were put on restriction, 4 million sheep that couldn’t be sold unless checked for radiation and the ban not lifted for 26 years.
The death and injury toll depends on who is collating the figures as radiation kills by mutation and you can’t say one cancer is down to radiation, you can look for rises in figures against “normal” times, but what’s normal.
And this goes to the heart of how denialists/sceptics work, when does one become the other, is that scientist working for a think-tank funded by a guy who gets a cheque-book from an interested party? Or is that government minister tanking a green initiative going to end up on the board of a firm being paid millions as a consultant, that if you could follow the funding of that company through shell and offshore accounts, derives from one that made a killing on that decision 15 yrs ago?
We could go back and forth on nuclear power, its financial cost, its cleanliness, and safety against other comparable industries and neither of us would probably budge, ultimately on the judgment of could this (Chernobyl) happen again only worse, we have come to different conclusions.
Many denialists come to believe in the batshit stuff via these sorts of debates, seeing a glimpse of hidden forces where once they took things at face value can undermine a whole world view.
This is exactly what the point of the whole discussion here is about. Science vs some belief generated from other random sources.
And here you have yourself admitting that you dont trust X, Y or Z scientific communities due to it not fitting your prior beliefs.
Go read the actual research. There are entire communities that live without any detectable ill effects in areas with naturally occurring radiation higher than what most nations allow anyone to be exposed to. There is a lot of "radiation is murder dusts" belief going on, and your caught in it.
The TOTAL follow up death and mutations following Fukushima, Chernobyl, Hiroshima and Nagasaki are less than what coal plants cause in deaths per YEAR. Realistically, if you have been against Nuclear, you have been pro coal. Only now are we developing an alternative to either. So yeah, Green Peace have been pro-coal for at least 2 decades.