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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Conference. Anyone on here go?
« on: November 21, 2017, 07:22:15 AM »
Guess they couldn't justify spending $500 on some bull conference.
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Your friend fucking lied to you and these RE_tards are lying to you right now.
There are no non-stop flights from Perth to Capetown.
There are no non-stop flights from Australia to South America or South Africa.
If you try to book an advertised non-stop flight, you will be charged for the flight (well over 2000 USD) whether you take it or not and if you do end up flying, your flight will almost certainly be redirected to a stop in Dubai.
Don't believe all the bulllshit these RE-tards are peddling.
I recently went on vacation to the beach. The ships disappeared as they faded into the distance. However, we have several working theories on why ships disappear mast first. There is the non-euclidean theory. There is the fact that nearby waves appear larger than the distant in actuality larger ship. There is perspective as described by Rowbotham. There is what some opponents have called 'bendy light' or the electromagnetic accelerator. There is simple refraction. The list goes on.RE-tards have zero explanation as to why I can stand on a shore at the south tip of Lake Michigan, looking north at a ship sailing away directly to north, disappears from my sight.
To me, it sounds like you are ignorant to our beliefs and have come here to stomp about, call us foolish and unemployed. In reality, I do work in a field of work in the real (flat) world. I am a software engineer. I was trained in Mathematics and Computer Science.
They all chime in..."It is disappearing from sight because it is going under the horizon..."
When confronted with the fact that same ship traveling to the east or west of my position along the shoreline of Lake Michigan will remain well in my view for many miles longer than it did when traveling to the north, there is the sound of fucking RE-tard crickets...
Satellites are hoaxes made by lizards like Obame. WAKE UP SHEEPLE
For those interested Project Loon from google is supplying thousands of balloons to fly over earth.
I never would have guessed he's a round earther.
Quote5: if the Earth is flat, then Antarctica would surround the circle, correct? Then how does, for at the most, 8 months at a time, Antarctica have the sun shining constantly, but when you move North (or inward, towards the center), the sun starts to rise and set normally?Not necessarily. Michael Wilmore put forth a model that didn't match the UN logo. Others have as well. But historically, yes. I personally went to the antarctic. I noticed a difference between the 'farmers almanac' version of events you talk of, and the reality.
Zetetic proof
Whenever you see someone use the word "zetetic" to describe a proof of something, every red known to man should go up to warn you that you are dealing with someone who has never been to college and they are merely regurgitating a word that sounds like reflects some level of informed intelligence.
"Zetetic Proof"... Hahahahahahahahaha
"Zetetic" implies learning from personal observation, dismissing knowledge from outside sources. (at least that is my take, based on the use of the word around here).
This leads me to...
I wonder if they would use a "zetetic" neurosurgeon?
if you want to prove the shape of earth, you do not have to take an expensive trip to the south pole.That is perfect. It will provide a definitive answer and is pretty inexpensive. Your method is preferred to test repeatability. However, if you take one measurement you should already be able to calculate the angle for the second. Check it against the actual second measurement and Bob's your Uncle. Okay, I really don't know what the Bob phrase actually means but it seems to be how other people have used it.
instead, buy a reliable sextant and measure the angle of Polaris (location A). (you know Polaris doesn't move across the sky)
travel 1000km south (location B) and measure the angle again.
now you have enough information to calculate the height of polaris assuming you are on a flat Earth.
you can now easily calulate the angle of polaris if you would travel another 1000km south (location C)
go to location C, measure again and the results should match your calculations.
If not, you are not living on a flat planet.
a sextant and travelling 2000km are much cheaper and easier than to organize a whole trip to the south pole with crew and equipment etc.
You don't even have to travel. I live at 41° 30’ 32.5” N (according to several online address to lat/long sites). While I don’t have a sextant, I do have a decent telescope that will give me the elevation and azimuth of whatever I’m looking at so I can do that measurement. I call my brother in Tampa (27° 57’ 2.1” N) and have him do the same thing. Of course I'll have to compensate for altitude. Just to be accurate.
This is a great experiment. I would like to suggest several FEers do this though because if I post my results I’ll just get accused of lying...again. It would be the easiest way to get an answer and it really doesn't require traveling. I'm kinda surprised FEers aren't constantly taking data points like this. This argument could be over one way or the other in a matter of months if not weeks if FEers would take these kinds of physical measurements.
Mike
I am now interested to see if Papa Legba has more to say about the situation and what reactions by REers are made in response.So you just want someone, who just slings insults, to come in and make a fool of himself. Yeah, that's an adequate response to questions. Really proving that FEers know how properly defend a position in a debate.
PROTIP: When you resort to insults to cover the fact you have no answer, you lose the argument. When you require someone else do the insulting for you, you not only lose the argument, you show just how much courage and conviction you actually hold in your own viewpoints.
FE is victorious in this debate. Proven by many who responded to the claims of the victors.
Let us please remember that the timeline of FE is much longer than that of RET. This makes terminology to include everyone interested in RE be properly referred to as round Earth "believers".
Would RE believers even dare propose this causeway anomaly as a purported problem (understood by others and explained by FEers) to Jesus of Nazareth, Christopher Columbus, or Albert Einstein?
Case closed.
All in a bid to dodge the question. Typical flattard trollsIt's AusGeoff, no one's really going to bother trying to have a conversation with him.
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71053.msg1921471#msg1921471
https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71053.msg1921461#msg1921461
And less explicit, but deals with the primary objection: https://www.theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?topic=71053.msg1921473#msg1921473
All in a bid to dodge the question. Typical flattard trolls
After a while here, you'll find that the flat earthers will never respond in any sensible manner to legitimate scientific questions posted by roundies. And if they do, 50% of them will refer you back to a scientifically bankrupt snake-oil salesman by the name of Samuel Birley Rowbotham also known as "Parallax". It's actually quite funny (sad?) that the so-called "evidence" for a flat earth is 150 years out of date, and that the flat earthers can't produce a single shred of evidence supporting their cause that's less than a century old. And modern science be damned LOL.
They actually use a flat earth model. They just pretend that it's a globe earth. You know, as part of the NASA conspiracy and such.
Yes, my monitor that displays the picture of the globe earth is flat, so therefore the earth is flat.
You might have a trace of credibility if there was a flat earth model that "worked", but the simple fact of the matter is that there is none!
No flat earth model explains:As a result almost every flat earther seems to have a different idea on so many pieces of "flat earth theory".
- measured distances all over the earth,
- sunrises, sunsets, moonrises and moonsets,
- the observed elevation and direction of the sun and moon through the day and night,
- solar and lunar eclipses,
- gravitation - almost all flat-earthers deny its existence.
- etc, etc.
Some think the sun is exactly 5000 km high, some think the sun is "just above the clouds" and at least one thinks it is 15 km high and
there is at least one who claims that ths sun is in a mountain at the North Pole - I kid you not..
Then no-one can agree on a map of this flat earth.If the earth is flat, then a flat map of the flat earth would be simply a scaled diagram of that flat earth.
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So the whole problem is that flat earthers come up with so many different maps, such as these: The following are maps that various Flat Earth Society members believe to be the true flat earth "continental layout":
This?
FE Ice Wall Map
Generally redarded as the "Accepted" map.Or maybe this?
FE Bipolar Map
(0°, 0°) centred AEPOr maybe this?
1893 map by Orlando Ferguson.
Credit: Don Homuth
Or maybe this for the Northern Hemisphere?
Map Northern Hemiplane, DETand this for the Southern Hemisphere?
Map Southern HemiplaneOr maybe this?
Sandokhan "True" Flat Earth MapAll of these maps are proposed by various quite active flat earthers.
But none of these maps fit with the real world.
The reason that there are so many proposed flat earth models is simply that an accurate flat earth model is quite impossible.
Rab, can you use his excell sheet to calculate observations based on your figures for the above?Is that the best you can come up with? I know you just about fell out of your chair running the numbers THIS CANNOT BE DENIED.Of course it can be denied!
You managed, either accidently or on purpose, ended up with an expression for sun height that is completely independent of the latitude.
Look!Of course the answer is going to always end up as 5000 km.
Sun's height = (equator to pole dist) x (1 - Lat/90)/(2 x (1 - Lat/90))
or Sun's height = (equator to pole dist)/2
And you have never shown anything is wrong with my original methods, so try again!
The following table gives the data for distance of each location from Vaupes and the elevations of the sun at solar noon on 20/Mar/2016.
All sun elevations were obtained from Sun Earth Tools as close as possible to the local midday on the last equinox. The time was UTC 20/Mar/2016 16:48.
Location
Latitude
Longitude
Sun Elev Dist from
Vaupes
Flat Sun Ht Lat Diff from
Vaupes Calc
Circum Kimmirut, Canada 62.847° -69.869° 27.36° 7,034 km 3,609 km 63.58° 39,828 km Santo Domingo 18.486° -69.931° 71.72° 2,107 km 6,077 km 19.22° 39,465 km Vaupes, Colombia -0.565° -69.634° 89.06° 0 km ------ Chupa District, Peru -15.109° -69.998° 74.69° 1,610 km 6,256 km 14.37° 40,334 km Punta Arenas, Chile -53.164° -70.917° 36.63° 5,830 km 4,388 km 52.43° 40,031 km
These locations and the directions to the sun on a flat earth are shown in the left hand diagram below:
Once we have the angles from two sites the height of the sun can be calculated from: h = d/(cot(A1) + cot(A2)).
Sun Height on Flat Earth along 70°W Long
Sun Height on Globe Earth along 70°W Long
Using this method to find the height of the sun on the Flat earth gives measurements from 3609 km (for Kimmirut and Vaupes) to 6256 km (for Chupa District to Vaupes) depending on the spacing of the measurement sites.In other words, claiming that the Flat Earth sun is at about 5,000 km altitude has no foundation whatever.It is very telling when we note that when we plot these angles on a spherical earth the directions to the sun are all parallel.Explain that!
Now, if instead of using these measurements to determine the Flat Earth sun height, we use them as Eratosthenes did, assuming a distant sun and use this data to calculate the circumference of the earth.The circumference can be calculated from (distance from Vaupes) * 360°/(angle difference of sun from Vaupes)
This time, we get far better consistency.
The estimated figures for the circumference of the earth range from 39,465 km to 40,334 km.Certainly these figures would indicate that the earth is a globe with a distant sun.
And don't bring up the 89.06° again, that was used correctly in the calculations.
I am not your bud, and I don't know what toped means because I am not French.How does Chilean rate on the scale of things?
Though I guess their standards were so high they chucked you out long ago.
Yes, they did. They also killed my Grandfather. You remember, the communist thing. Thanks for bringing back bad memories, dick.
now all together: awwwwwwweeee
for hurting jroa's feelings
I guess I need to toughen up. I should not be such a pussy about communists taking my grandfather behind a building and shooting him for simply being a lawyer, which led to my entire family having to flee the country and emigrate to less killing nations. I need to man up and grow a pair. ausGeoff, I mean rabinoz is right to make fun of the plight of my family.
But you have no problem with some nitwit calling others members of ISIS with no concern to the hundreds of those who have been killed by terrorists.
Sob sob.
I did not say I had no problem with that. Please, quote me, or don't put words in my mouth.
I am not your bud, and I don't know what toped means because I am not French.How does Chilean rate on the scale of things?
Though I guess their standards were so high they chucked you out long ago.
Yes, they did. They also killed my Grandfather. You remember, the communist thing. Thanks for bringing back bad memories, dick.
now all together: awwwwwwweeee
for hurting jroa's feelings
I guess I need to toughen up. I should not be such a pussy about communists taking my grandfather behind a building and shooting him for simply being a lawyer, which led to my entire family having to flee the country and emigrate to less killing nations. I need to man up and grow a pair. ausGeoff, I mean rabinoz is right to make fun of the plight of my family.
Is the ice in the tea from the ice wall?Extra Crispy Penguin Tenders!
Penguin McNuggets?
Peng-Fil-A?
Popeyes Penguin?
I don't know about some of the others on your list , but you can get "extra crispy" or "original recipe" at AFP.
They also serve Iced Tea.
I meant a flat Earth would have to be a disc.
Going a few more steps from there shows it can't be flat.
Yeah, I know it can't be flat, but you're missing the point of the thread, which is to show that the flattists accept the shape of their earth model to be circular, but there really isn't any evidence to place circularity above any other shape.
Earth is not the exception and stop listening to you high school teach3r.
Are you really that dense, Intikam?
The Earth is still flat.Total bunkum
Yacht race numerical gymnastics are not indicative of Earth shape. Presenting these representative kips and splits will not get you closer to the truth.
FET has maps(s) that get closer to truth. It has been stated that if you travel straight on the flat Earth, you will end up right where you started due to the nature of arcing. This makes more sense than all the "we" are living (and having races) on a round ball...and really works if you were to try it.
Not sure if that's the wind generated by the interactions between a distant sun and a rotating spherical earth or the one coming out of your arse The truth or truthfulness depends on which.
The wind knows of what I speak, not these purported facts and picturesque numbers presented to confuse reality, as we observe it.
Pfft. Your reality maybe.Well, put your money where your mouth is and tell us what the elevations of Polaris would be at various latitudes are in your reality!
And look what "the Wiki" and Rowbotham say:QuoteThis considered, we go to Chapter 14, Section 6 of Earth Not a Globe where we read:QuoteDECLINATION OF THE POLE STAR.
Another phenomenon supposed to prove rotundity, is thought to be the fact that Polaris, or the north polar star sinks to the horizon as the traveler approaches the equator, on passing which it becomes invisible.
I have not seen Polaris. Therefore in my Soloptic universe it does not exist until I see/generate it. Everything and everyone, you included are just figments of my imagination. You exist because I called for it. The moment I log off this forum for good, you will all cease existence and only exist as a memory in me. What you believe is your life and free will is actually mine.
Too many FEs think that Samuel Rowbotham's 150-year-old experiment over a 10km length of a canal proved the earth's flatness LOL. Apart from being ridiculously outdated now, his experiment was unsupported due to his total lack of scientific knowledge about his claims. Instead, we should be reading about Alfred Russel Wallace, a surveyor who actually knew what he was talking about, but who was effectively shut down and ruined by Rowbotham after he, Wallace, proved the water in the canal was in fact curved. Wallace's experimental setup precluded the known effects of atmospheric refraction at or just above the water's surface, a problem that Rowbotham failed to acknowledge with his own experiment.