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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Some problems I have with the flat Earth theory
« on: October 11, 2017, 12:32:19 AM »
Unfortunately (for the human race) and as a massive indictment of the failures of our educational systems, and most likely a healthy dose of self delusion, Flat Earthers have chosen to ignore all that evidence and 2000 years of scientific work for "it looks flat to me".

In order for them to maintain this delusion they have to insist that
1. Only 500 years ago with the establishment of NASA (go figure that out) did the belief of a round earth begin
2. Gravity cannot make a body the size of the earth into a sphere because there is no gravity
3. What you see when you look into a telescope isn't what you see because there is no space, there are no star systems, galaxies and all the rest. It's either you see "condensation" on the dome or worse "it's all in your head"

They choose to believe all this because it makes them feel a part of the elite. It feeds their ego that they can discern a conspiracy that has blinded over 99%of the human race. When in reality they just bought Eric Dubay's snake oil and are to dumb or embarrassed to admit it.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Waking up from the globe matrix
« on: October 09, 2017, 11:30:22 AM »
Aaand once a flat earther is presented with evidence that challanges his delusions, he
a) Screams "na na na na I can't hear you" or
b) Bolts.

This fella seems to have chosen option b.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Why is the Earth "not" round
« on: October 09, 2017, 11:22:06 AM »
Great picture!

Thanks but you can tell it's photoshoped, there are no stars in the pic.   ;)

This one proves it with stars and elephants and a turtle, cant argue with that :D
 
This picture is ridiculous.

The turtle couldn't possibly bear the weight of 4 elephants on its back.  The turtle obviously is the layer directly under the Earth, and is in turn sitting on the 4 elephants.  Movement is tricky in this model, unless you use logic to realize that the 4 elephants are on the back of a giant space whale. 

Your image is definitely photoshopped.

No seriously, otherwise how do you explain FE theory suddenly becoming a big thing again as soon as they made the specials/movies or whatever you want to call showing it, the only real question left about our Earth is what sex is the turtle, we need some astro zoologists big time to find out

Unfortunately they all work as paid shills for NASA. So.......

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flights in the Southern Hemisphere
« on: October 09, 2017, 10:50:22 AM »
Make one then.
That's your problem, not ours!

We've got accurate maps of the Globe, you don't have accurate maps of the flat earth - that seems very significant to me.

That's a typical flat earther response - we can't prove a flat earth but it must be flat because it is flat"

I've been ignoring this site fpr a while because ot seems you are just debating with kids. Hands over ears, eyes closed, "na na na na na" screaming and they demand to be taken seriously.

Research flat earth my round bottom.

Do they do any researching or is it watching fake discredited videos until all that drivel poors out their ears

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Flat Earth Debate / The False Conspiracy
« on: September 29, 2017, 02:58:21 AM »
Most Flat Earthers believe there is a conspiracy to prevent the knowledge of the fact that the earth supposedly is flat. A conspiracy they believe is orchestrated by NASA most likely for financial gain. They believe that the world believed the earth was flat up till about 500 years ago. I have issues with this particular conspiracy theory.

First it is obvious that 500 years ago, the United states did not exist not to talk of NASA as an organization. This makes it difficult to see how NASA is responsible for this conspiracy. It is also wrong to think that most of the world believed the earth to be flat up to about 500 years ago. Christopher Columbus did not sail the world to prove it was round. He already knew it was round and was looking to find a different route to Asia by going around the ball. Magellan did not sail to prove the earth was round. He sailed to show it could be circumnavigated (and to be the first to do so).

So using the “500 year” point is not a fact. It is an opinion. Long before “500 years ago” the round earth was a well understood and accepted fact all over the world. In and out of religious circles. 2 examples include

The monk Bede (c. 672–735) wrote in his influential treatise on computus, The Reckoning of Time, that the Earth was round. He explained the unequal length of daylight from "the roundness of the Earth, for not without reason is it called 'the orb of the world' on the pages of Holy Scripture and of ordinary literature. It is, in fact, set like a sphere in the middle of the whole universe." (De temporum ratione, 32).

Around 830 AD, Caliph Al-Ma'mun commissioned a group of Muslim astronomers and geographers to measure the distance from Tadmur (Palmyra) to Raqqa in modern Syria. They found the cities to be separated by one degree of latitude and the meridian arc distance between them to be 66 2⁄3 miles and thus calculated the Earth's circumference to be 24,000 miles.[51]

As a matter of fact, Galileo’s disagreement with the church was not a debate between a flat or a round earth. It was a debate of the earth orbiting the sun or the sun orbiting the earth. For both sides, a round earth was a given.

Come to think of it, why did Eratosthenes interpret his calculations to be the earth’s circumference? Afterall, the same calculations could be argued to give the height of the sun above a flat earth (ergo the 3000 miles that flat earthers cite as the height of the sun above the earth).  It was just a matter of time before sailors would come to the conclusion that the earth had to be round. As ancient mariners sailed further out to sea and realized that land seemed to sink or rise up from the sea the further or closer one got to it, as they found different stars in the sky the further north or south they sailed, as they noticed the stars seemed to rotate around one point in the north and another in the south, these and other occurrences pointed ancient man to a round earth that by about 200 A.D. Greek philosophers had pretty much concluded that the earth was round and as such Eratosthenes immediately took his calculations to be for the circumference of the earth.

So if flat earthers want to call this a conspiracy, they have to go much further back than NASA, Christopher Columbus, Jesuits and co and probably start investigating the Greeks and Arabs for wanting to deceive the rest of the world.

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The His-story you provide us with is pure fabrication it is all bollocks that your brethren have pulled out their arse over the last few centuries to justify your ridiculous model.

The only way any normal person can verify your words regarding world history is if they where 2000 years old.

Interesting. So any writings done by any philosopher, astronomer, engineer, physicist and the like over the last 2000 years that does not confirm with your ideas of the earth being flat and the center of a minuscule universe is obviously a lie? Meanwhile your quote mining, taking things our of context, and outright fabrications are the truth because the help you sleep better on your flat earth at night?

Delusion

Your strange deluded babblings are false

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Flat Earth General / Re: sun rise and sunset
« on: September 28, 2017, 02:23:01 AM »
I don't particularly expect anything specific of you at all. Never the less, the facts are as they are.

Have you ever herd of a psychological disorder called Munchausen's syndrome? Basically, it's a  a mental disorder in which a person repeatedly and deliberately acts as if he or she has a physical or mental illness when he or she is not really sick. Their main intention is to assume the "sick role" to have people care for them and be the centre of attention.

Ouch

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Earth-disc? Ice wall? Spotlight sun? How So???
« on: September 27, 2017, 12:17:10 AM »
I have seen lots of hilarious things in my life. This ^^^, has to be about the most hilarious by .... far (into the ice wall)!!!

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So 6 pages, 156 posts, from Feb 18 2016 to August 30 2017 and not one Flat Earth Theorists can come up with a full explanation on why the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway does not prove the curvature of the Earth?

Lot's of dodging (Jroa) and insults (Papa legumes or whatever his moniker is), lots of claims to have answered without showing where the answer was posted (on the same thread no less) and now silence for what 3 weeks?

I guess this proves
1. Lake Pontchartrain does prove the curvature of the Earth
2. FE theorists have no explanation for that and sunsets/sunrises in addition
3. FE theorists have no idea what perspective and refraction really are

Ammarite?

I'd say that's a fair assessment.

And I forgot to add, belief in a flat earth is exactly that - belief. Has nothing to do with if it's true or not.

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So 6 pages, 156 posts, from Feb 18 2016 to August 30 2017 and not one Flat Earth Theorists can come up with a full explanation on why the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway does not prove the curvature of the Earth?

Lot's of dodging (Jroa) and insults (Papa legumes or whatever his moniker is), lots of claims to have answered without showing where the answer was posted (on the same thread no less) and now silence for what 3 weeks?

I guess this proves
1. Lake Pontchartrain does prove the curvature of the Earth
2. FE theorists have no explanation for that and sunsets/sunrises in addition
3. FE theorists have no idea what perspective and refraction really are

Ammarite?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: A few questions
« on: September 22, 2017, 07:02:20 AM »
So, who am I to question it?

Hey Rab, has Silicon given the reasons for the huge variation in his calculated figures yet? I lost my place while reading and basically just got tired of hitting my head on the wall. Has he given a name to his fudged up constant yet?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Student in cartography answering questions
« on: September 21, 2017, 10:17:22 PM »
Here is an example of how Silicon and Rabinoz argue

Rab: I caught you with your hand in the cookie jar.
Sil: There is no cookie jar so you couldn't have caught me.
Rab: So what was that jar containing cookies your hand was in just now?
Sil: You got my name wrong so everything you say is goobledygook

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Flight lengths - is the flat earth map wrong?
« on: September 21, 2017, 10:05:29 PM »
Three words:  nobody claimed that map is perfectly accurate.

You have a typical attitude of claiming something is wrong or right without giving the correction or the reasons why. So that map of the flat earth is wrong. Give the right one or show where it's wrong.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Hurricanes
« on: September 21, 2017, 12:45:57 PM »
You may want to click on the links at the base of Zork's posts to understand what is meant by the term "research". Do something similar and come up with your conclusions and we can agree you "researched" it and not just saw some stuff and some crack's website that neither you nor him understand and go spouting it out as "research"

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Hang on. I'm confused. These minerals were discovered in Antarctica? Along the icewall that goes all the way around the flat earth? ??? ??? ???

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Flat Earth General / Re: Saturn Rings
« on: September 20, 2017, 07:27:11 AM »
Fighting the UA would be very different, because there is no orbital velocity. You'd just have to indefinitely accelerate upward at g. Again, the logistics make the whole notion pretty unfeasible.
Why do you have to fight UA when trying to leave earth? UA doesn't pull you back to the ground.
You don't 'fight' UA per say, you outrun it. Since the Earth is going 'up' at g, and we're not affected by the UA push (for whatever reason) that means you need to go 'up' at faster than g in order to go above Earth. I guess. Actually, how do planes work then? They would have to be generating lift equal to UA at all times wouldn't they? For some reason that feels weird, even if I understand they're doing similar in a RE scenario.
Not very really. Aircraft are still under the effects of gravity. That's why they don't shoot out of the planet on a tangent. They fly by creating an area of low pressure above their wings making the air underneath their wings push them up.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« on: September 20, 2017, 07:20:47 AM »
It is not, because air is not clear and the sun acts like a spotlight due to this. Are you even paying attention?
If "the sun acts like a spotlight" just transfer these daylight patterns onto your favourite flat earth map and then explain how this spotlight manages such a weird pattern.

Day and Night World Map Jun 21 2017
     

Day and Night World Map Sep 23 2017
     

Day and Night World Map Dec 22 2017
That must be some magic spotlight to cover those weird shapes.
Claiming limited visibility through the atmosphere won't cut it either as the distances from the sun's location varies so much on ant flat earth map.

Of course on a Globe, it looks so simple! Just a little over a hemisphere in all cases - funny that!

How dare you provide information from NASA?
(Even when said information comes from Russia, ESA, China, Japan, North Korea, my neighbourhood astronomy club..... as long as it is a picture from/of space, it is from NASA)
By the way, the picture is fake!

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FE'er: It never works like that. They are telling you lies. Do your research
...research done, explains how

FE'er: Prove it!
...proof presented

FE'er: That proof is faked.
...asks for proof of fakeness

FE'er: Do your research.
...research done, explains how

FE'er: Prove it
...proof presented

FE'er: That proof is faked.
...asks for proof of fakeness

FE'er: Do your research.
...research done, explains how

FE'er: Prove it!
...proof presented

FE'er: That proof is faked.
...asks for proof of fakeness

FE'er: Do your research.
...research don, explains how

FE'er: Prove it
...proof presented

FE'er: That proof is faked.
...asks for proof of fakeness

FE'er: Do your research.
...research done, explains how

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Student in cartography answering questions
« on: September 20, 2017, 05:46:16 AM »
Can you tell us which one of these images is the fake one?



My turn to ask a question? which one of these maps do you think is not a representation of Earth.




Unfortunately, FE'ers doctrination (if that is the word) is to make them believe none of those maps represent earth.

Most of them also do not realise that their prefered representation of the flat earth is just a polar Azimuthal equidistant projection of a round earth. A projection that gives equal latitude distance but severely distorts longitude especially in the southern hemisphere. The use of this projection as a representation of the flat earth is the reason why measured distances never work in Flat Earth Theory especially for the southern "hemiplane". It is also why a picture of the flat earth it represents can NEVER be obtained.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Sattelite phones
« on: September 20, 2017, 04:36:51 AM »
I want to know the mysteries of flat earth which a globe person cannot provide.
Are you not happy with Vauxhall explanations? You can't get more clear answers than that. Its - there are some things, maybe balloons, maybe some towers, maybe some others things invisible to us that provide these services. And yes, they exist, they are maintained and someone produces these. I doubt that you can get any more specifics about this.

Dude, the guy WANTS mysteries. There must be mysteries. Seeing as RE'ers have proved all they need, obviously they hold no mysteries for him. So FE'er must have all the mysteries. Because there must be mysteries. Because he wants the mysteries. Baaad.

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FE'er: Research flat earth
RE'er: I did. The earth is round. Pictures prove it.

FE'er: The pictures have been edited by NASA which runs a conspiracy to keep you uninformed.
RE'er: I am Chinese. The pictures were provided by the Chinese space agency

FE'er: They are part of the conspiracy. Research non- governmental sources
RE'er: I did. My local rocket club shot a go pro camera into the sky. It showed earth's curvature. Physics calculations from Aristotle and early Arabs show a round earth

FE'er: Their so-called proofs are all lies and can also show the earth is flat. They were all assuming it was round. It's all a conspiracy
RE'er: The electricity pylons where I live show a curvature with my own eyes

FE'er: It's all a conspiracy. You need to do proper research by reading some FE websites and watching some FE youtube videos all made by people who have no training to observe, calculate and interpret whatever date they are posting on the web. They are the only ones who speak the truth.
RE'er: huh?

FE'er: Do your research by reading and watching only what I give you. Everything else is part of the conspiracy

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Flat Earth General / Re: Proof NASA edited their scans
« on: September 20, 2017, 03:08:11 AM »
1. What is this "NAASSSSAAAA"?

2. Who took this photo?
1. NASA
2. I think Neil Armstrong, he had the hasselblad camera most of the time.

3. Why are you presenting two obviously different photos as the same shot?
4. What is the point you're lying to make?

Prove it. Typical response

DO you know why Flat Earthers always ask you to "do your research"? They need you to look at the "facts" and delude convince yourself. This way no information that proves flat earth wrong can sway you as in the deepest recesses of your mind you have decided to believe an obviously flawed assumption (I will not call it a theory. Theories have more respect)

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is the moon flat or spherical?
« on: September 19, 2017, 12:29:20 PM »
I stumbled on Flat Earth Theory about 2 days ago and I've been reading everything I can about it. Right now I'm pulling my hair out on the level of outright stupidity it takes to believe that stuff.

The fellow Vsnh811 was the only one I thought was really on the fence looking for the truth. Especially in a thread where one sceptic dude was denying nuclear power. That guy by the way, is either a very excellent troll (making him a very stupid person) or too stupid for words (still making him a very stupid person I guess).  I thought Vsnh811 was trully searching for the truth. But reading through this thread, I realise Vsnh811 is the most dangerous kind of Flat Earther possible. This is a fellow that can see through all the flaws of the theory, that can see the holes and pitfalls, but is soo damned determined to believe it that he is begging for any other explanation that can help him live the delusion.

Dude, what did NASA do to you? What did every world government (well not so much these guys any way), and millions of scientists, astronomers, educators, astronauts, engineers, pilots, physicists, soldiers and all sort of humans do to you that even when you can see the falsehood you are still determined to believe that all these people are lying and in some kind of conspiracy to do just WHAT to you?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Saturn Rings
« on: September 19, 2017, 09:14:09 AM »

I'm confused about what you are going on about.  We do have pictures of space crafts.  We do have pictures of the earth.
If you think they are fake, show some evidence.  If you think NASA and the many other space agencies are lying, prove it.
This is one place fly earthers fail.  They claim that NASA is all lies but cannot show any evidence of that.  They claim all images are fake cannot support that claim.
Whole threads have been devoted to this and the closest they come to proof is, I think it looks fake or, it's impossible (meaning they don't understand it) so it must be fake.
Do you have anything beyond that?
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As much curious as everyone else, i have been wondering what the role of NASA really is. They spend billions of taxe payer dollars just to get space selfies that they don't even openly show to the public who pays for their missions. Of course not to derail from FE but what is it that NASA has presented to the American public pertaining space or Aliens (UFOs in the case)? Ziiilch !

Neither me nor you can prove anything here simply because we are in the dark but guess you believe just everything you are told without questioning it.

I like Flat Earthers for their courage and the will to find out their own answers without depending on NASA. If you show us recent, real FULL images of earth from outer space just like you "see" Saturn then we might have a starting point but as long as you or they can't, let's just enjoy being part of the Flat Earth Society.

You wonder the use of NASA? Well how's about all them satellites that bounce your CNN signals about, making it possible for you to watch TV? How about all them GPS and GLONASS (Russian in case you still hate NASA) signals that make it possible to use Google maps or Garmin or what ever it is you use? How's about them satelites that make it possible for Doctors without Boarders to maintain hospitals in darkest Africa using Thuraya phones? How about all that information that makes is clear climate change and such is a real thing? You do know you have to explore a place before you can exploit said place, right? If it's only the pictures you can see, then (like flat earthers always say), do you own research!!!

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