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Flat Earth General / Re: Can someone show me proof if the Earth is flat?
« on: February 25, 2019, 11:44:21 PM »
So no proof of the flat earth. Just some figures you can't wrap your head around. "I can't believe it so it cannot be true"

You are such a dishonest liar

Dishonest Liar; is that a double negative, meeting that he is telling the truth?

That post is a year old and "dishonest" is an adjective, describing "liar," which is a noun, so they should agree like they do. So on all counts, no. Simba is not likely to respond, and even if he (or she) did, it's grammatically correct so what exactly is your goal here?

How do you know simba is not likely to respond, did you ban him? If you banned him so what is your problem with believers?

In one hand, you are blocking Simba to reply. On the other hand, you allow rabinoz and other angry globularists to blame him. Are you all management team serving to rabinoz?

I didn't ban Simba. You can look at his last login and post history just as well as I can. I'm the one saying it's dishonest to go back and drag up an old thread and reply to someone who isn't likely to even notice. Rab is the one trying to defend the butchering of the English language, seemingly because Mouser is RE. I can't fix that. One of them doesn't understand English, the other of Australian. I can only do so much.

Missinformation.  8) You can ban, or suggest admins to ban rabinoz till infinitive and prevent him update the old issues and prevent him from blaming the authors don't seem around.

Why should one person be banned for resurecting an old thread while you spend your time insulting people on this forum and calling others satan, murderers and the like?

Flat Earth General / Re: Bob Knodel and the laser ring gyroscope
« on: February 21, 2019, 11:46:20 PM »
Either Sandy knows what he has is bunk and so spends all his time spamming this forum trying to convince others he isn't as dumb as he writes.

Or he has tried to publish all his bunk and got shot down and so spends all his time spamming this forum trying to convince others he isn't as dumb as he writes.

Flat Earth General / Re: Southern hemisphere flights
« on: February 21, 2019, 12:30:47 AM »
Did you watch the video at all? Did you understand the issue with the sun's positioning? How does that help your phew earth?

Flat Earth General / Southern hemisphere flights
« on: February 20, 2019, 08:09:23 PM »
YouTube's Wolfie6020 offered to fly any prominent flat earther who would accept to Sydney and from there to Johannesburg or Santiago to confirm Southern Hemisphere flights work just as predicted by the globe abd do not work on a flat earth. Mark Sargent, Jeranism, the crew at Globebusters, all refused to take him in his offer.

2 YouTube flat earth debunkers however did take the flights and a video analysis of Greater Sapien's video and GPS logs for the Sydney to Johannesburg flight is presented here.

What is the flat earth explanation for this? Denial? A claim that there is no model? Or that there is a model that allows for this? Or will this data be ignored like Bob Knodel and his LRG?

Flat Earth General / Re: Bob Knodel and the laser ring gyroscope
« on: February 19, 2019, 03:14:42 AM »
I think they ecpected an inconclusive result. One they could twist into a flat earth win.

Just like Antonio Subirats. He proposed an experiment using a tube to look at the horizon from one end. He said if looking through the other end one sees the horizon again, then the earth would be flat. If one sees the sky above the horizon, the earth must be a globe. Low and behold, Critical Think does said experiment and it conforms to a globe. Antonio subirats has shifted the goal posts so much in trying to explain away the results that he is no longer in the same ball park as when he started.

Flat earthers look only for things that will confirm their bias and seem to think if they say it enough, everyone else would believe like they do and then maybe the earth would somehow conform to their wishes. Like Sandy up there. Truth isn't the aim. Confirmation of their belief is.

Flat Earth General / Re: Bob Knodel and the laser ring gyroscope
« on: February 17, 2019, 09:16:28 AM »
Fellow cannot get his head out of that cloud he has stuck it in.

No matter what Sandy wants to insinuate with his long diet of copypasta, ring laser gyroscopes still work in all inertia guidance systems they are used in. They still show the orientarion of the air craft with respect to the earth.

So either Sandy is spouting a heap great big  bowl of bovine excrement, or RLGs have been lied to by thu conspiraceh into believeing they can measure orientation with regards to the earth.

Personally, I go with the first one.

The one that detects the earth spinning at 15 degrees an hour.

Flat Earth General / Re: Bob Knodel and the laser ring gyroscope
« on: February 16, 2019, 04:50:55 AM »
Here we go again. Sandy and his hang up on the Sagnac effect while still ignoring the rest of the post.

Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Youtubers inadvertently reveal globe
« on: February 15, 2019, 10:27:29 PM »
So are any of our resident flat earth scientists in this forum going to address the videos shown? Or are we going to wait until someone points out the sparkly paper on another SpaceX device?

Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Youtubers inadvertently reveal globe
« on: February 15, 2019, 06:45:39 PM »
Is there a flat earth model that allows for a rotating earth?

Flat Earth General / Bob Knodel and the laser ring gyroscope
« on: February 15, 2019, 06:41:00 PM »
Bob Knodel is a famous (?) Youtube flat earther who tried an experiment to prove the earth was fixed - non rotating. He obtained a UD$20,000 laser ring gyroscope, an extremely accurate device, to show that the earth was not spinning. The gyroscope registered a 15 degree per hour drift.

Does this prove a rotating earth? Or like Bob Knodel said, did it measure the "heavenly energies"?

If the gyroscope did measure a 15 degree per hour rotating earth, can this be possible still with a flat earth and local sun-moon circling system?

Edit: I see someone has already started a thread with the same information.

Flat Earth General / Re: The Challanger Disaster
« on: February 01, 2019, 01:59:06 AM »
Does this mean there is no disbelief in the challenger disaster on this forum? I would have expected to see a plethora of refutations to the article posted.

Flat Earth General / The Challanger Disaster
« on: January 28, 2019, 02:06:34 AM »
One of the more important points of globe deniers is the refutation of the Challanger disaster. Since space is fake, space travel is fake and the Challanger never exploded with a crew on board because the Space Shuttle is fake or flies with a helium balloon or something along those lines. There are those who claim the crew are still alive and have posted all sorts to back that claim.

For Lt. Gen. Richard "Rich" Scobee, losing his father in the explosion of the space shuttle Challenger was a personal tragedy he and the families of other members of the crew have shared with the nation for 33 years.

This article is about the family of Shuttle Commander Dick Scobee who truthers claim to be the living CEO of a company called Cows and Trees.

I would like to know what globe deniers on this forum think.

Flat Earth General / Re: Tonight's lunar eclipse..
« on: January 21, 2019, 07:32:54 AM »
I was about to open a thread on the lunar eclipse myself. Thanks for putting this up.

As for Intikam who seems to see Lunar eclipses in Istanbul on a regular basis, I hope he sees the shadow creep up on the moon and creep out steadily on every occasion in which NASA have used "Statistics" or whatever to regularly give Istanbul a blood moon eclipse.

My point was going to be for those who believe in a self-illuminating moon. How does the red light advance slowly to cover the moon's white light and just as slowly leave the moon on the same night? Moonshramp with indigestion? Or some sort of mating ritual?

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Intercontinental ballistic missile
« on: January 04, 2019, 08:11:52 AM »

It boggles the mind that you believe the engine exhaust exerts zero force on the rocket...boggles the fuckiní mind.

Itís only ridiculous to you because you donít know what youíre talking about.  Itís not just burning rocket fuel.    If want you want to know why, look up venturies and nozzles for yourself because Iím tired of explaining shit to people who blindly dismiss what they donít understand and have never tested.

IIUC, here's a synopsis of your premise of how denpressure effects vertical acceleration of a rocket.

- The density of the atmosphere (molecule stacking or however you define it) decreases with altitude.
- The force required for a rocket to ascend through the less dense atmosphere decreases but there is also a corresponding decrease of the reaction force due to thrust on the same less dense atmosphere.
- Therefore, the constant thrust, decreasing mass, and change in density during vertical ascent are always balanced so acceleration is exactly zero.

There are a few major problems with this reasoning.  The claim that a rocket can't accelerate must be subject to the following:

1. The effects of density versus altitude must be quantified.   
2. Variables within the system must be accounted for:
    a. The magnitude of thrust can vary from rocket to rocket.
    b. e.g. Two identical model rockets can have engines with identical size and weight but different thrust values.
    c. The rate at which fuel, and thus the corresponding decrease in mass, varies from engine to engine.
    d. Atmospheric pressure and density versus altitude is not linear.
    e. In taller rockets the density the rocket is pushing into and against may not be equal.
    f. Thrust to weight ratio varies from rocket to rocket

In summary:

1. The effect of denpressure vs altitude is not quantified.
2. The change in density of the atmosphere vs altitude is non-linear.
3. The magnitude of thrust and thrust to weight ratio varies between rockets.
4. The rate of change of the mass varies between rockets.

Working entirely within the denpressure model and considering the variables outlined above, at a minimum the following outcomes are possible:

1. If the magnitude of thrust and fuel consumption are balanced by the change in atmospheric density, it is possible for a rocket to have zero acceleration during vertical ascent.

2. If the magnitude of thrust and fuel consumption are not balanced by the change in atmospheric density is possible for a rocket to have a constant or a decreasing acceleration during ascent.

If we take all the variables into account and working within denpressure, it is possible to have zero vertical acceleration or a constant/variable vertical acceleration throughout ascent.  And, if Iím honest about it, these variables also imply that at some point in its ascent it should be possible for density to overcome thrust/fuel consumption and the rocket will decelerate (negative or downward acceleration) to the point where the rocket reaches equilibrium and not climb or fall until thrust is cutoff or increased.

Tthe point is that without quantifying denpressure and accounting for the variables between rockets, you canít definitively say what the effect on the vertical acceleration will be.  A zero, a positive, or a negative acceleration should all be possible but thereís no way to know.

At least you're taking notice. I commend you for that.
Just one thing thought and it is nit picking but I feel I must do it. It this piece what you said: 2. If the magnitude of thrust and fuel consumption are not balanced by the change in atmospheric density is possible for a rocket to have a constant or a decreasing acceleration during ascent.

You can't have a decreasing acceleration. You can have a decreasing speed.

Just nitpicking that's all and nothing more.

Quoted to preserve the stupidity.

A Bugatti Chiron does 0-60 in 2.5 seconds. Do you think it does 200 to 260 in 2.5 seconds?
No. Decreaseing acceleration.

Ho Lee Fuk
That's Scepti for you.

Claims a rate of change cannot be constant.
Claims acceleration can not be reduced.
Now claims a propeller and rocket engine work on the same principles

And still claims to understand science?

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Is Qantas killing the passangers?
« on: January 02, 2019, 12:57:24 PM »
I find it even more amazing that you guys are continuing this topic with someone who is only out to get his jollies by being outrageous online. You can be sure he doesn't believe the drivel he is spouting. He is just enjoying winding sane people up.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Is Qantas killing the passangers?
« on: December 31, 2018, 10:30:45 PM »
This is by far the dumbest thing Inty has said in a very very long list of extremely dumb things.

Have any Aussies complained about missing family and friends that were supposed to have travelled from Sydney to Santiago? With the regularity of daily flights, wouldn't that have been a big thing? Heck you would have heard the news under your flat rock!

Flat Earth General / Re: Living in Antarctica
« on: December 31, 2018, 10:27:39 PM »
I get it I get it, Brady is a Superhero. Oh yeah and those are real scientists in Antarctica pretending to be in Hawaii, working so hard being bored out of their skulls, I want my tax dollars back. LOL

Happy New Year ya all.

Which is another way of saying
My blinders are on fast. There is no way I am going to accept thebfacts of this matter because it puts paid my steongly held belief in a flat earth because I need to believe in a flat earth.

A happy new year to you too.
And to everyone else here.

Flat Earth General / Re: Living in Antarctica
« on: December 28, 2018, 04:30:44 PM »
Actually, there was only one mountain range, and his route took him down that one on a glacier. Pretty smart, huh? It's almost like he thought out his route and carefully planned it before even setting out! Glacier travel is not to be taken lightly, of course, but many people are very accomplished at it and he is a skilled mountaineer.

If he had bothered to "research" this story like they always claim, he would have easily seen that amongst pther things, Mr O'brady had also climbed mount Everest.

Dude is skilled.

Flat Earth General / Living in Antarctica
« on: December 27, 2018, 10:03:47 PM »
I read an article this morning on an American being the first to cross the Antarctic continent alone and unaided. Took him 54 days without getting resupplied.

The report also indicates a Briton trying the same feat but will apparently take longer. About 70 days.

It got me thinking. With the flat earth belief that that Antarctica is not a continent but rather a wall around the circumference of the flat earth, what is the flat earth opinion of those who work in any of the numerous scientific bases in Antarctica?

And I am not talking about those who subscribe to the dual pole models of the flat earth. They are obviously in the minority of flat earth thinking.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Sundial is Accurate.
« on: December 27, 2018, 10:58:35 AM »
If they are all revolving around you, what are those I see revolving around me?

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Holographic universe(round sky squared land)
« on: December 27, 2018, 10:49:32 AM »
This is possible because the sun is a hologram.
All celestial bodies are holograms.

A hologram is a recording  of the interference pattern of two or more coherent light waves on, for example, a piece of film.  The piece of film itself is the hologram. When that piece of film is subsequently illuminated properly, and one looks at the film, it appears as if one is looking "through" the film, seeing a three-dimensional image of what was originally the source of the the light waves.

It's just an image. That original light source is not there. It's no different than someone looking at a picture of you. It's just an image of you. It's not you. You are not there.

The sun is not a hologram.
It is a matter of substance and image.
What is real is a metaphysical matter.

But what I'm saying is not real, but the sun that looks like it.
It's the sun that we sense.
We see the sun, just like we see hologram patterns.
And it is a hologram for the individual.
So I mean it 'Holographic multiverse'.

Make that "magical mumbo jumbo"

That's the only way your idea works

Flat Earth General / Re: Who Guards the Edge
« on: December 10, 2018, 12:49:43 PM »
so has been guarded by weather conditions again.
So could be defeated by wearing a nice warm coat?

If you want to get the conditions so you have to stay a freezed place under -100 santigrad selsius. If we want to compare it so deep freezes are between -18 to -23 santigrad and freezes almost everything. In Yakutsk, the coldest place in center hemicircle has mostly about -55 degrees in winter; if anyone stays a minute outside with wearing a nice warm coat but freezes in a minute. You need to test -110 degree to get what goes on deep sides of Antarctica.

We are not talking about going deep into Antarctica. Question is "who guards the edge?" If temperatures of -100 degrees in Antarctica,  definitely not that cold at the edges. Afterall the southernmost parts if South America and South Africa are not that far away from the edge. So anyone can get there if only the weather guards it and sail along the edge to se if you can do a left turn around Antarctica or if it is a coastline of over 60,000 km.

But if there are actual guardes and or trained commando penguins, well, that's a different thing entirely.

Flat Earth Debate / Re: A fundemental problem.
« on: December 08, 2018, 11:37:49 PM »
So it's fine for flat earthers to bring up a red herring when there is no flat earth response to a topic but it's bad for round earthers to complain about flat earth obfuscations?


The flat earth idea cannot exist without a conspiracy. The evidence against it is so overwhelming that to believe in a flat earth requires a reason to disbelieve the evidence.

 The easiest way to do so while still maintaining a belief in one's intelligence is to claim the evidence against the flat earth and in favour of a globe earth is fabricated, false, made up or at least misunderstood.

If such fabrication is maintained across individuals, countries, continents, universities, governments all the way from medieval history while still maintaining consistency, then someone/some group has to be maintaining and organising this. Ergo  a conspiracy.

Hi Dutchy. You have successfully disproved the globe. I'm still waiting though for you to show the shape that fits all observations.
Errr... i have successfully proved that the globe is a hard nut to crack for those 'into the sphere'  ;D
I am intrigued when hearing their flexible goalposts, redeemable numbers, streched observations and more.
Cristal clear when needed but vague as fog over Newfoundland when things get to inconvenient, joggling various outcomes and still claiming everything is what one expects from a hurling sphere with a circomference of 25.000 miles derived from the impeccable scientific method the ancient Greeks professed when calculating earth's circomference.
Saying a letter is not A doesn't immediately mean said letter is B. Is can be C, D, E.... and so on and so forth
But i am still at the beginning.....trying to convince others how many piss poor arguments the globe has for support.

So why do you maintain the earth is flat when you have no analysis of the shape of the earth other than "arguments for the globe are piss poor"

Flat Earth General / Re: Creation of the Flat Earth
« on: November 27, 2018, 02:27:52 AM »
I totally think the Firmament was created by omnipotent intelligence for us to enlighten in/upon. To claim to understand such things and put them into human terms, I have little doubt, is part of the folly of our science.

So creation then.
That's 1 opinion.
Any others?

Hi Dutchy. You have successfully disproved the globe. I'm still waiting though for you to show the shape that fits all observations.

Saying a letter is not A doesn't immediately mean said letter is B. Is can be C, D, E.... and so on and so forth

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Proof of the Flat Earth?
« on: November 27, 2018, 02:15:26 AM »
The video starts out very poorly.
No, I don't think the elevation is anywhere near as extreme as shown on that globe, nor does it have that massive crack in the equator.
The video is very poor, poor sound, very poor videography and usage of microphones.

It is meant to be a FE proof, but it starts out just asserting garbage and questioning some people. It is a 5.5 minute video, and the first "proof" only starts appearing at 4:10. That shows just how desperate they are.

But let's skip the nonsense and get to the "proof"
And it seems it is just the same old nonsense.
Why would you expect to see a curve over the horizon? The horizon would obscure that.
If they meant across, it is a circle situated below you, with the same angle of dip all around. This is exactly what you would expect for a RE.

There is no magic ice wall. They showed a small section of an ice shelf in Antarctica, which is of completely unknown size from the photo. The only things giving you any clue are the fact that the other side is clearly visible (rather than a blur due to the atmosphere) and the water which might just be quite calm, doesn't have waves the size of it.
It is curving far too quickly to be the ice wall around a FE.
They claim it is guarded by NASA employees, yet show an alleged ice wall with no people around, which they have easily been able to get a photo of. That doesn't seem guarded. Or do they expect people to accept the picture from Game of Thrones as an ice wall in reality?

No, they say our round Earth is rotating at roughly 1 revolution per day.
And guess what? That matches what we experience.

Then the standard ignorance of gravity and what level means.

There is absolutely nothing convincing in there. Why are you pimping your own pathetic video?

So, to paraphrase, you disagree.
You could have saved everyone a lot of time.

If he disagreed without stating his reasons, wouldn't you have jumped all over him?

Flat Earth Debate / Re: Was Today's Modular Mars Landing Fake?
« on: November 26, 2018, 10:10:05 PM »
Just wondering what FE believers think of this question.

Bear in mind that my son works at JPL NASA in Pasadena. :-)

Well, obviously your son is part of the conspiracy to hide the shape of the flat earth. Or he is in too lowly a position to know, or a position that doesn't make use of the knowledge of the shape of the earth and so the higher ups don't tell him anything.

Or you are lying yourself and are a part of the conspiracy.

Or like Australia, neither you nor your son exist in the first place.

Something along those lines.

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