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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: August 08, 2019, 02:40:45 PM »
Plat, you are a liar and a poe.

You have asked for evidence and veen provided with it only to dismiss them with no basis.

So let me ask you poe.

Where is YOUR evidence for a flat earth? Not a debunk of the globe. Evidence FOR a flat earth?

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Flat Earth General / Re: An IMPOSSIBLE hoax
« on: August 06, 2019, 10:13:12 PM »
It is true that the earth is flat. But NASA and other space agencies do not understand this. Because they believe in gravity. What proof do you want for the flat earth?

Any proof at all. Any one that supports a flat earth. Not one that debunks a globe earth. One that supports a flat earth and a flat earth only.


Oh, and no conspiracy! Just evidence for a flat earth.

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You know Plat, lying and giving false information as facts doesn't help your case.

Danang, using false information from the internet doesn't help your case.

It makes you flat earthers look bad.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Lunar eclipse on flat earth
« on: August 06, 2019, 01:45:42 AM »
....so the earth is a sphere?

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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: August 06, 2019, 01:44:30 AM »
Even flat earthers know that Plat has no defensible position. Even Wise and Danang are not on hand to help defend his point.

Young man, go learn the theory you are trying to debunk.

Go learn to stay on point and not gish gallop all over the place.

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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: August 05, 2019, 12:08:58 PM »
The 216 feet is 0.041 miles.
To see that as one pixel of a bulge, your image has to be 878 pixels wide.

It looks easy, but how big part of the middle of the line will be for that one pixel higher than the rest?
And will it really be seen as a bulge at all? :)

The distance of the 36 miles is too small part of the Earth's circumference to be seen as curved in blueprints.
(One pixel per 878.)
And construction teams already know how to measure from Mean Sea level.
Any other reference is useless.

You let us know when you have actually verified your (Claim) alleged surface curvature over the Canal. I'm not going to buy a gold mine based solely on claims.

Well, seeing as you are yet to show us YOUR personal measurements of the panama canal, we can also dismiss your argument. Let me know when you PERSONALLY  verify it. I'm not going to buy a silver mine based solely on claims. Especially claims that are chock full of personal opinions and incredulity.

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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: August 05, 2019, 07:39:47 AM »
I can't decide who is better at proving a globe earth - Ranty Flat Earth or Plat Terra

One of the things I love about our beautiful Plane Earth, I am continually reminded I am right and that NASA is a great deceiver no matter how high and far we can see. There is no curve even at 339,000. If you apply curvature math to this horizon, the Globe Earth theory fails and the hoax is exposed.

 

Thanks for showing curvature

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Flat Earth General / Re: An IMPOSSIBLE hoax
« on: August 05, 2019, 07:36:58 AM »
Space Tech has been a secret since the Cold War, and allows them to claim to put nukes into orbit to annihilate a country at the drop of a hat. It is essential to the mostly-world peace which has been achieved since WWII. There's the motivation.

Are you sure they can't censure what they want on the internet? This article tells me that they can:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-cyber-command-operation-disrupted-internet-access-of-russian-troll-factory-on-day-of-2018-midterms/2019/02/26/1827fc9e-36d6-11e9-af5b-b51b7ff322e9_story.html%3foutputType=amp

National Security U.S. Cyber Command operation disrupted Internet access of Russian troll factory on day of 2018 midterms
By Ellen Nakashima
February 27, 2019 at 8:22 AM EST

The U.S. military blocked Internet access to an infamous Russian entity seeking to sow discord among Americans during the 2018 midterms, several U.S. officials said, a warning that the Kremlin’s operations against the United States are not cost-free.

The strike on the Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg, a company underwritten by an oligarch close to President Vladi­mir Putin, was part of the first offensive cyber-campaign against Russia designed to thwart attempts to interfere with a U.S. election, the officials said.

“They basically took the IRA offline,” according to one individual familiar with the matter who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss classified information. “They shut them down.”

FErs- Space tech has been a secret since the cold war.

Same FErs- College students built a rocket, put a "dogcam" on it and filmed their rocket crashing against the dome.

Seems clear.

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The results of Eratosthenes Shadow Experiment are inconclusive because the experiment can also be interpreted under a Flat Earth model as well.

So after all these years,  who in the Globe Earth community has verified Eratosthenes’ experiment by actually verifying that Earths’ individual landmass’s and canals conform, calculate, measure to a sphere with a 3959 mile radius?  What's his name and history?



You really have no good knowledge of history, do you?

First off, Eratosthenes never set out to prove the shape of the earth or the sphericity of the rarth with a specific radius. Based on the knowledge of his time from the observations philosophers (that's what scientists were called then),  he already accepted that the earth was a sphere. All Eratosthenes was after was to measure the circumference of that sphere. And he did a damn good job of it too.
Excellent point. He assumed the earth was round, he did not prove it or show it in any way.

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At his time, his peers reviewed what he did and accepted his observations and calculations. His "followers didn't believe in him". Other philosophers reviewed what he did and confirmed his calculations and observations and so his results were accepted. At least by a good number of philosophers. There were still those who refused to accept because they couldn't look beyond their own beliefs. Afterall, "it looked flat to them"
So it failed peer review. Your opinion on their motives or that they "couldn't get beyond their own beliefs" is irrelevant and taints your conjecture. After all, any opposing view that doesn't change their view "can't get beyond their own beliefs" because their beliefs are supported.

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Throughout history, since Eratosthenes,  many people have conducted the same or similar observations and calculations and have ended up with the same results. So by virtue of peer review, his conclusions have still been accepted. Better equipment for observation, and knowledge accumulated over the centuries have refined the figure but his errors are completely understandable and acceptable.
Odd. You know, because this same experiment was performed by Taoist scientists in China who came to the conclusion that the sun was close and the earth flat. If only this was repeated, and got the same results. Oh wait, it was many times, starting with Rowbotham.

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Even today, with flat earth research consisting maily of YouTube videos, youtubers like Bob the Science Guy and Blue Marble Science have conducted the same experiment and have reached the same conclusions. And to show that the earth couldn't be flat, they added a third location. 2 locations can be used to prop up a flat earth with a nearby sun. 3 locations will conclusively show if the earth was flat or curved.

Wanna guess which one it shows?
It shows a null result. As you yourself said, this experiment does not prove a round earth, but assumes it. Using the experiment to say the earth is flat or round is silly as its results could be interpreted either way.

Once again you let your bias get in the way of understanding.

Eratosthenes never intended to prove the shape of the Earth. He already accepted it based on other observations and rational thinking. All he set out to do was to try measure the dimensions of said spherical Earth. So his experiment was not inconclusive. It achieved the stated aim.

Using 2 points can be interpreted to suit either a globe or flat earth. Using 3 points makes it very clear that the Earth CANNOT be flat as it will not give a single height for the sun. This has been shown by multiple people over and over again including the 2 Youtubers I mentioned in my post.

Wanna keep ignoring that bit?
It only achieved its aim if his axioms and assumptions were correct. Otherwise he was measuring the circumference of a non-existent sphere. For the purposes of showing the earth round or flat, it is a null result. As I said, this was not its original purpose, but it is the purpose it is brought up again and again and again as evidence of a round earth.

We are the Flat Earth Society don't have the time to review your "youtube science" experiments. If you can't debunk the findings of said Taoists or Rowbotham, or even look at them, why should we go out of a way to research and prove your point for you?

Finally, even given what you said is true, and my sources are incorrect or flawed, there are flat earth models that exist that would account for such a discrepancy. Of course, you would have to actually know about mathematics to understand them.

A truth seeker unwilling to seek the truth? Did not see that coming.

Please describe 1 flat earth model that will account for such discrepancy. I haven't been able to find one myself.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Did NASA really send peopel to the moon
« on: August 03, 2019, 02:25:32 AM »
Do you really believe that people think Nixon simply "dialed the moon"?

He dialed mission control, Right here on Earth, and was patched via radio transmission.

Mission control has not a magic device can arrive far distances we never can arrive. Otherwise no need to GSM operators. Give all the tasks to NASA and it arrives everywhere. It is a simple lie claiming arrive impossible distances with great radio transmitters. I don't need to believe such urban legends.

Unfortunately for you and you alone, it makes no difference what you believe. What do you think was used for communication before GSM?

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The results of Eratosthenes Shadow Experiment are inconclusive because the experiment can also be interpreted under a Flat Earth model as well.

So after all these years,  who in the Globe Earth community has verified Eratosthenes’ experiment by actually verifying that Earths’ individual landmass’s and canals conform, calculate, measure to a sphere with a 3959 mile radius?  What's his name and history?



You really have no good knowledge of history, do you?

First off, Eratosthenes never set out to prove the shape of the earth or the sphericity of the rarth with a specific radius. Based on the knowledge of his time from the observations philosophers (that's what scientists were called then),  he already accepted that the earth was a sphere. All Eratosthenes was after was to measure the circumference of that sphere. And he did a damn good job of it too.
Excellent point. He assumed the earth was round, he did not prove it or show it in any way.

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At his time, his peers reviewed what he did and accepted his observations and calculations. His "followers didn't believe in him". Other philosophers reviewed what he did and confirmed his calculations and observations and so his results were accepted. At least by a good number of philosophers. There were still those who refused to accept because they couldn't look beyond their own beliefs. Afterall, "it looked flat to them"
So it failed peer review. Your opinion on their motives or that they "couldn't get beyond their own beliefs" is irrelevant and taints your conjecture. After all, any opposing view that doesn't change their view "can't get beyond their own beliefs" because their beliefs are supported.

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Throughout history, since Eratosthenes,  many people have conducted the same or similar observations and calculations and have ended up with the same results. So by virtue of peer review, his conclusions have still been accepted. Better equipment for observation, and knowledge accumulated over the centuries have refined the figure but his errors are completely understandable and acceptable.
Odd. You know, because this same experiment was performed by Taoist scientists in China who came to the conclusion that the sun was close and the earth flat. If only this was repeated, and got the same results. Oh wait, it was many times, starting with Rowbotham.

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Even today, with flat earth research consisting maily of YouTube videos, youtubers like Bob the Science Guy and Blue Marble Science have conducted the same experiment and have reached the same conclusions. And to show that the earth couldn't be flat, they added a third location. 2 locations can be used to prop up a flat earth with a nearby sun. 3 locations will conclusively show if the earth was flat or curved.

Wanna guess which one it shows?
It shows a null result. As you yourself said, this experiment does not prove a round earth, but assumes it. Using the experiment to say the earth is flat or round is silly as its results could be interpreted either way.

Once again you let your bias get in the way of understanding.

Eratosthenes never intended to prove the shape of the Earth. He already accepted it based on other observations and rational thinking. All he set out to do was to try measure the dimensions of said spherical Earth. So his experiment was not inconclusive. It achieved the stated aim.

Using 2 points can be interpreted to suit either a globe or flat earth. Using 3 points makes it very clear that the Earth CANNOT be flat as it will not give a single height for the sun. This has been shown by multiple people over and over again including the 2 Youtubers I mentioned in my post.

Wanna keep ignoring that bit?

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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: August 03, 2019, 02:06:05 AM »
I do suggest that some of you here take a breath and a break and think about a few things.
You certainly need to "take a breath and a break and think about a few things"!

When can you learn a little about gravity on the Globe? Are you totally incapable of understanding anything that you've been told?

The oceans conform to the surface of the Globe and the Mean Sea Level essentially defines the shape of the earth.
Then the heights of the land are measured above that sea-level. So floods are no different from what you imagine on your fictitious flat earth.

You failure to understand this does affect the reality of anything in the slightest.

Any luck on that width of your fictitious flat earth or working out the path of your sun that explains what anyone can easily see?

Remember that you asked us "When will RE Community Accept Defeat?"
Well, until you explain all the points raised there's not the faintest chance of our accepting defeat - it ain't going o happen.

Continually posting miles of meaningless memes does your case no good at all!

PS What makes things fall down? Why does a feather fall at the same rate as a bowling ball in a vacuum?

Again, nothing you bring up matters or will magically make landmass conform to a sphere. I can't even prove Earth has curvature, and that was my challenge from the beginning and I am a puzzle solver. I am an inventor that have made a machine that was thought impossible to make.  So, If I can't prove curvature no one can. It's really a simple issue and a no brainer and I am no one special. 

BTW, we don't live in a vacuum.

How would we expect you to prove Earth has curvature when you don't even know the distance between two cities. You're an inventor of a machine no one thought possible yet you can't determine how far one thing is from another?

For instance, how did you determine that the Panama Canal was 36 miles long? You claimed it was, but you don't know the distances between any other landmarks? Just the Canal?

It seems you are the one to accept defeat if a simple distance befuddles you. If you would like to prove otherwise and not accept defeat, then answer the very simple question posed. How far is it from San Francisco to Boston?

If you can't answer the question, we will gracefully accept your defeat.
Paint it any way you like. I don't care.

Which brings us to the summary of your argument. "La la la la la la I can't hear you" he says with his fingers in his ears and his eyes shut tight.

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Flat Earth General / Re: When will RE Community Accept Defeat?
« on: July 31, 2019, 11:10:49 AM »
There is no curvature engineered into the Panama Canal. But when you add curvature it becomes flooded.







The problem is you don't even understand what you are trying to debunk. If you did, you wouldn't keep spouting all that

And just like a kid with fingers in his ears singing "la la la la I can't hear you" you refuse to listen to explanations.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Artemis Project
« on: July 27, 2019, 12:27:47 PM »
It might be reaching escape velocity, Rab. Look at the calculator I posted:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vesc.html

If you put in 1 and 1 for the Mass and Radius the escape velocity is 25008.493 mph

If you put in 1 and 1.1 for the Mass and Radius then the escape velocity drops to 23844.662 mph.



Adjust the radius down from there. The earth is also "moving," etc. There are plenty of ways they could be claiming to reach escape velocity as advertised.

I’ll ask again, Tom.  Where are you going with this, if anywhere?

You keep quoting escape velocity numbers, fine, but why?

In case you guys haven't noticed, Tom is simply derailing the thread by causing everyone to go round in circles saying the same thing over and over. He is fully aware of what you are all saying. But he will keep hammering at one line of semantics to prevent the discussion going anywhere by getting bogged down in more detailed technicalities and minutiae while not addressing any point.

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The results of Eratosthenes Shadow Experiment are inconclusive because the experiment can also be interpreted under a Flat Earth model as well.

So after all these years,  who in the Globe Earth community has verified Eratosthenes’ experiment by actually verifying that Earths’ individual landmass’s and canals conform, calculate, measure to a sphere with a 3959 mile radius?  What's his name and history?



You really have no good knowledge of history, do you?

First off, Eratosthenes never set out to prove the shape of the earth or the sphericity of the rarth with a specific radius. Based on the knowledge of his time from the observations philosophers (that's what scientists were called then),  he already accepted that the earth was a sphere. All Eratosthenes was after was to measure the circumference of that sphere. And he did a damn good job of it too.

At his time, his peers reviewed what he did and accepted his observations and calculations. His "followers didn't believe in him". Other philosophers reviewed what he did and confirmed his calculations and observations and so his results were accepted. At least by a good number of philosophers. There were still those who refused to accept because they couldn't look beyond their own beliefs. Afterall, "it looked flat to them"

Throughout history, since Eratosthenes,  many people have conducted the same or similar observations and calculations and have ended up with the same results. So by virtue of peer review, his conclusions have still been accepted. Better equipment for observation, and knowledge accumulated over the centuries have refined the figure but his errors are completely understandable and acceptable.

Even today, with flat earth research consisting maily of YouTube videos, youtubers like Bob the Science Guy and Blue Marble Science have conducted the same experiment and have reached the same conclusions. And to show that the earth couldn't be flat, they added a third location. 2 locations can be used to prop up a flat earth with a nearby sun. 3 locations will conclusively show if the earth was flat or curved.

Wanna guess which one it shows?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Ham Radio moonbounce ... and radio towers
« on: July 11, 2019, 02:26:15 PM »

Normal hardworking people would never engage longer than a couple of days with flatties.


Quite an indictment, won't you say?


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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Experiments
« on: July 06, 2019, 05:35:39 PM »
Experiment for UA is so simple that anyone can perform it in daily life.

Just do a simple things: STAND, WALK, RUN.. that's all.  8)

How does that work?

Let me see. I'm standing right now.....so....what? Bibbitty boppitty boo! UA!

How will such an experiment go? What am i measuring? What am I observing?

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There was this paper, Computational Analysis of Bell Nozzles by Beena D. Baloni, Sonu P. Kumar, S. A. Channiwala" in the Proceedings of the 4 th International Conference of Fluid Flow, Heat and Mass Transfer (FFHMT'17) Toronto, Canada – August 21 – 23, 2017 that you might look up.

It shows the bell nozzle:

And the computed temperatures, pressures and velocities at key points as in:

Note the pressure gradient along the throat and bell that trades the high pressure and temperature for a greatly increased velocity, reduced temperature and greatly reduced pressure.

This shaped nozzle is known as the de Laval nozzle and "was originally developed in the 19th century by Gustaf de Laval for use in steam turbines. It was first used in an early rocket engine developed by Robert Goddard, one of the fathers of modern rocketry. It has since been used in almost all rocket engines."
So the total thrust is: Force = (mass flow rate) * Ve + (Pe - Po) * Ae. Maybe Robert Goddard, Walter Thiel and NASA were right after all!

The nozzle only utilizes Bernoulli’s principle because it creates a lower pressure at the end of the nozzle. Still the force acting to the exhaust is pressure gradient force, not the rocket
Yes, "utilizes Bernoulli’s principle because it creates a lower pressure at the end of the nozzle" and in the process that exhaust gas is greatly accelerated from about 720 m/s at the nozzle entry to about 4200 m/s at the exit.

Now what force causes that acceleration? That force is exerted by the nozzle which is fixed to the rocket.

So the force acting to the exhaust is pressure gradient force supplied by the rocket.
You cannot escape the simple fact that the force to accelerate that exhaust gas has to be supplied by the rocket.

But if you disagree with Robert Goddard's rocket thrust equation
       please present your own Tatumsid's rocket thrust equation that shows how the thrust depends on (mass flow rate), (air density) or (air pressure) and anything else that you need.

If you fail to present an equation that fits what anyone can observe I'd say we're done here.


The force is provided by pressure gradient force. There’s already and equation for it.

https://www.shodor.org/os411/courses/_master/tools/calculators/pgf/index.html
Did you even read the link?

It says the pressure gradient force moves air from high pressure to low. This would be the opposite direction of the rocket.

Doesn’t the gas move in the opposite direction of the rocket. Isn’t high pressure moving to low pressure?

FINALLY!

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Tom Bishop is even more of a slippery eel than the usual disambiguators in FE. He will do everything to avoid answering the actual question.

Isn't that right, Tom?

Or is it the Flat Earth BiPolar movement's belief that thebattack on Pearl Harbour was staged? Faked? Part of the conspiracy?

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Flat Earth General / Re: How does the conspiracy work?
« on: June 15, 2019, 02:02:06 AM »
Danang, you keep asking people to make their own observations, do their own research. But when they do and come to the conclusion that the earth isn't flat, you immediately dismiss them and claim them brainwashed. You, wise and the rest.

How does that square with being "open minded"

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Flat Earth General / Re: Any former FEB around?
« on: May 04, 2019, 01:49:58 AM »
Fight The Flat Earth also interviewed 2 former flat earthers on his YouTube channel. But it seems YouTube flatearthers and forum flat earthers don't mix.

They don't seem to like each other too. As far as I can tell, each call the other Controlled Opposition.

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Flat Earth General / Re: What's it like living as a FE believer?
« on: May 04, 2019, 12:30:27 AM »

10 years ago, the believers of this movement were one in ten thousand. Three years ago, he was one of a thousand people. and one in ten people today believes or have doubts in the flat earth. at the end of this year, the number of believers in the flat world will be equated or about with the number of believers in the round world. this is a technique and scientific movement and its pioneers are scientific people, certainly not ordinary people.

I am curious, where do you get your stats?  Are you claiming 10% of all people have doubts of a round earth?  Or are you just "guessing"?  Because if you are a "pioneer" and a "scientific" person, I think it is irresponsible to make claims with out evidence backing it up.  If it is your opinion, you should make that clear.

Oh he has his data sources alright. The same sources that say Qantas airline murder passengers by the plane load. Yes, he has his data sources.

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Stop stop. Where are the GPS satellites? Why are they not visible? They also had to get into the camera! You will not find any pictures, GPS satellites - which move along the meridians. And you after this - still claim that the earth is a ball?

Did you read any of the above thread at all? Including the pictures showing you the gps satellites against a background of moving stars?

The stars seem to be "hauling ass" and the satellites are not because they are more or less stationary avove the ground. Satellites and ground are moving at the same rate in comparison to the stars hence the relative motion in the gif image.

But let me guess, "it's fake! Fake I tell ya!! Faaaake!!!"

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Flat Earth General / Re: moon landing
« on: April 26, 2019, 05:25:18 AM »
Nobody has given any evidence to back up their claims other than following an official narrative.

Please explain to me why 'official narrative' is inherently untrustworthy? Your whole claim is based on the assumption that anything that is 'official narrative' must be wrong because it is 'official narrative'.

Why?

You do realise that the reasoning 'it's untrue because it's untrue' is not exactly proof of anything?

(I know you won't answer. You'll duck the question. But I love to be surprised by a straight answer at least once)
Funny how you avoid what I've just said.

Funny how you ignore the evidence provided above. An independent German observatory was able to recieve and record Apollo mission transmissions. But I guess that is "official narrative". A small town newspaper carries a report of a small town amateur radio ham recieves Apollo transmission, but that also has to be fake, right? Because Reasons.

But in true flart earth conspiracy mode, thise must be ignored and even not responded to and something else must always be brought up as the smoking gun. And when that is debunked or explained, a flerf will double down on his belief and ignore thenexplanations giving and immediately gish gallop onto something else.

But then, it is all official narrative. So it must be false because reasons.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Shape of the Moon
« on: April 26, 2019, 01:03:06 AM »
if flat earth modal are truth why does moon has such an strange shape?
i mean why don't we have an uniformed moon?

You can't really say 'the moon is round and therefor the earth is round'. That's like saying 'that car is red therefor my bike is red'.

While it is true that the shape of the moon and the shape are caused by the same thing (gravity), it's not enough to just look up at something in the sky and draw conclusions on the shape of your own world.

What if you looked at the sun in stead? Would the question 'if the sun is a hot round ball of gas and therefor the earth is too' make sense?
i didn't say because moon is round therefore earth should be too!
what i'm saying is if flat earth modals are truth then what did damage the moon? what can in a close system like ours(according to flat earth modals)do this to the moon?

Heard of the guy on YouTube that calls himself Flat earth Jesus? He claims the moon was made by giants who dug out the material used from the Grand Canyon and filled it with helium and sent it up to the firmament where the bubling up from the molten rock caused the craters.

Evidence?

Only "just look at it. It has to be."

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Flat Earth General / Re: moon landing
« on: April 26, 2019, 12:54:57 AM »
An interesting addition to this particular thread is that all those who have written in support of the moon landings have given evidence to back up their belief while thise who have written in support of conspiracy theories have provided only "I don't believe the narrative" and "I heard that"

Like someone said early in this discussion, no one says you shouldn't question what you heard. But cherry picking what yiu accept as evidence, that's just lazy.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Forever falling satellites
« on: April 23, 2019, 12:44:48 AM »
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Yes, "they 8) say" and "they 8) say" you can invest you money in some Nigerian bank and . . . . . . . .

Easy Rab. My In-Law married a Nigerian. And I can guarantee you that them Nigerian scammers haven't caught on to scamming westerners with perpetual motion machines!

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Flat Earth General / Re: Those search engines
« on: April 23, 2019, 12:39:12 AM »
Long story short, what faded mike is trying to insinuate here it that tha conspirecuh is on to him and so they are doing everything in their power to cover up da troof by hiding search results on his computer.

Because the results he got do not confirm his bias.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Forever falling satellites
« on: April 22, 2019, 11:04:26 PM »
I'll try give a very simplified examplae. I'm sure one of the other guys here can give more details.

Rotating wheels on earth will ALWAYS loose energy to friction. So a perpetually rotating wheel without regular influx of "new" energu is impossible.

For satellites, yes they move at a speed that causes them to "miss" the earth as they fall under gravity but there is still enough substance at their altitudes that creates some friction causing them to loose speed and begin to fall more closer to the earth. That's why they carry propellant and booster rockets to regularise their orbits.

Take as an example Intelsat's satellite in geosynchronous orbit that lost it's ability to adjust it's orbit not too long ago.
https://spaceflightnow.com/2019/04/22/intelsat-declares-drifting-satellite-total-loss/

At the end of their service life or before satellites run out of propellant, they are pushed into lower or higher orbits. Lower so they fall back into the earth in the quickest time possible or higher so they orbit the sun and not the earth per se or to have a very high orbit that the processes of fallinf back into the earth will take pretty much forever. This is done to prevent them crashing into other satellites or just becoming nuisances.
 https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/spacecraft-graveyard/en/

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Flat Earth General / Re: Flat Earth Explanation for Planets
« on: April 15, 2019, 10:09:53 AM »
Yeah going through that process on a phone is quite a bit more obnoxious.

Can you do another list-thingy and show how  it's done?

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