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Flat Earth General / Re: Is Science the new Religion ?
« on: May 21, 2017, 06:36:11 AM »
You can accept calculations that support a hypothesis and be sure that's what will happen when no one as travelled at the speed of light  and no one ever will.

We can observe particles that travel with almost light speed. They follow the Lorentz Transformation. Even things like airplanes measurably follow the Lorentz transformation. So time dilation exists, it is a proven fact. Which part of it is a "religion"?

You say we as if we can all witness particles that travel at "almost light speed"

What you should said is someone has said that these people say they have witnessed particles almost travelling at the speed of light.


Well, many people, not some. It is routine.

So either every experimental physician without exception is a fraud or time dilation is real. Decide by yourself, what is more likely.

It does not require faith in the sense you mean it. It requires the same amount of trust that you have when you enter a bus and expect that the bus driver is not drunken.

I disagree they could just be mistaken not necessarily a fraud personally I don't have the faith to believe them or I'm  just not stupid or gullable enough.

How does me getting on a bus and believing the driver is not drunk
the same as me believing Einsteins theorys.

I have travelled on public transport hundreds of times and the drivers where not drunk.

Nobody has travelled at the speed of light and nobody ever will.

To try an associate the two is a nonsense.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is Science the new Religion ?
« on: May 21, 2017, 05:56:59 AM »
Science is a religion and that's the end of it.

No, science is not a religion, as there is no central deity to worship. It we take a definition of religion as a starting point.....

the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

....we can see that there is no way this can be applied to science as there is no controlling power or god.......so that in turn makes your opening statement patently false.

In regard to the rest of your post, it's so incoherent and full of meaningless ramblings that it does not merit a response.

religion
rɪˈlɪdʒ(ə)n/Submit
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.
"ideas about the relationship between science and religion"
synonyms:   faith, belief, divinity, worship, creed, teaching, doctrine, theology; More
a particular system of faith and worship.
plural noun: religions
"the world's great religions"
a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion.
"consumerism is the new religion"

Another scientific fundamentalist in denial.

How is saying that the earth is meant to be an oblate spheroid but non of NASA's CGI or so called pictures confirm this incoherent ?

More like you have no coherent response.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is Science the new Religion ?
« on: May 21, 2017, 05:42:59 AM »
You can accept calculations that support a hypothesis and be sure that's what will happen when no one as travelled at the speed of light  and no one ever will.

We can observe particles that travel with almost light speed. They follow the Lorentz Transformation. Even things like airplanes measurably follow the Lorentz transformation. So time dilation exists, it is a proven fact. Which part of it is a "religion"?

You say we as if we can all witness particles that travel at "almost light speed"

What you should said is someone has said that these people say they have witnessed particles almost travelling at the speed of light.

Some people have said they have been abducted by aliens.

Some people have said they have seen God.

When people say things it doesn't mean they are true.

It is a personal choice do you believe them or not ?

Belief requires faith.

Did they ask the particles that almost travelled at the speed of light if they experienced relativity ?

No one has travelled at the speed of light and no one ever will.

Did you know that I caught the biggest fish in the universe yesterday you don't have to take my word for it ;
I don't have any real pictures but I have some CGI and some calculations and my mates seen the hole it made in the net when it escaped. ;)

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There doesn't have to be a government conspiracy.
It is a waste of time arguing with the indoctrinated they are only able to repeat what their masters (gods)have told them there are many videos on you tube of weather balloons and rockets at over one hundred thousand feet showing a flat horizon  with the sun and the moon in the sky at the same time these videos look much more realistic than the Nasa ones .
But they will not accept these as proof but will accept NASA's CGI as proof seems hypocritical.
I think it is better not to accept either as proof for geocentric or heliocentric models but instead verify the two existing theorys yourself.

Would you argue with a Christian fundamentalist about jesus ?

Would you argue with a Islamic fundamentalist about Muhammed? 

So why waste your time arguing with a Scientific fundamentalist about the shape of the Earth or space ?

The simple fact is that nobody has been into deep space and witnessed the Earth and other planets orbiting the Sun there is not even a video of this even though we have sent hundreds of probes out into deep space.

I thought this was a Flat Earth Society which led me to believe it was a place where people who are sceptical about the modern science religion to have a serious discussion it would seem it'sa place where scientific fundamentalists repeat what they have been told to each other because it makes them feel better.

The government just put out what they have been told by the Scientific  religous cult.

For example someone standing at the bottom of a pyramid can't see what's happening on the three other sides and they can hardly see the top.



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Flat Earth General / Re: Is Science the new Religion ?
« on: May 21, 2017, 03:58:45 AM »
Science is a religion and that's the end of it.

You can accept images that have been stitched together using other images as evidence.

You can accept calculations that support a hypothesis and be sure that's what will happen when no one as travelled at the speed of light  and no one ever will.

That takes a massive amount of faith.

I blame the movie industry and animation industry it has left some people not being able to tell the difference between science fiction and science fact.

I suggest some of the posters here look up the definition of verify if the so called science can't be verified properly (not by BS calculations) then it is a religion.

The official story is that the earth is an oblate spheroid why is it none of the Blue Marble CGI Images or the so called real photos of the earth confirm this ?

Thought I better let some of you know Santa doesn't live at the North Pole and he doesn't exist neither does the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny thought it's best you know the truth because from the state of some of the posts on this thread it would appear you believe absolutely anything.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is Science the new Religion ?
« on: May 19, 2017, 01:30:12 PM »
The 2002 blue marble image is CGI so like I said my claim was not baseless.

It is also relevant and begs the question if Nasa have been in space why do the have to use CGI ?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is Science the new Religion ?
« on: May 19, 2017, 01:26:00 PM »
The 2002 blue marble image is CGI so as I said my claim was not baseless  :P

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is Science the new Religion ?
« on: May 19, 2017, 12:55:12 PM »
The blue marble 2002 https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/BlueMarble/BlueMarble_2002.php

the blue marble image is CGI so my claim is hardly baseless.

citation needed

Notes:
- There are multiple blue marble images, I'm talking about the original.
- CGI != photo editing.
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Thanks for the info Canada Bear I will go to Lynton and will see if I can witness this curvature you speak of.
I believe the quick formula for curvature is miles squared multiplied by eight then divided by twelve to bring back to feet  I will see if this works out for the distances involved.

Science does require Faith for example Einsteins theory of relativity has never been verified as NOBODY has travelled at the speed of light but some people believe it because they have faith that Einsteins theory was correct and he was telling the truth and other scientists have done experiments that support Einsteins hypothesis which could be described as convinient as it would be in their financial interest to further exalt one of the science religions gods.

@Alpha2 omega the blue marble image is CGI so my claim is hardly baseless.
 
How other than witnessing curvature can the earth be proven a globe ?
As from what I've seen so far most of it also works on the geocentric model.


I think what makes a lot of people sceptical about the globe theory is that we have apparently been in space  thousands of times but there are very few pictures / images that stand up in photoshop.
For example if I was an astronaut I would simply put my mobile phone to the window and record the rocket taking off and docking at the space station in one unbroken real video;
 this has not been done yet even though mobiles have had cameras on for over ten years.
They could also make another Hubble type telescope launch it into deep space and set it up so it shows the earth and other planets orbiting the sun or the cheaper option would be to turn hubble round.This has not been done yet. ( can you see the pattern?)
I'm not saying the earth is flat because that is something I have yet to verify for myself but I struggle to understand why CGI has to be used when we have allegedly been in space thousands of times so it is not unreasonable for the millions of people to be sceptical about the globe theory.

The 2002 blue marble is CGI so like I said my claim is not baseless.

It is also relevant because if Nasa have been in space thousands of times why do they need to use CGI ?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is Science the new Religion ?
« on: May 19, 2017, 11:38:02 AM »
Thanks for the info Canada Bear I will go to Lynton and will see if I can witness this curvature you speak of.
I believe the quick formula for curvature is miles squared multiplied by eight then divided by twelve to bring back to feet  I will see if this works out for the distances involved.

Science does require Faith for example Einsteins theory of relativity has never been verified as NOBODY has travelled at the speed of light but some people believe it because they have faith that Einsteins theory was correct and he was telling the truth and other scientists have done experiments that support Einsteins hypothesis which could be described as convinient as it would be in their financial interest to further exalt one of the science religions gods.

@Alpha2 omega the blue marble image is CGI so my claim is hardly baseless.
 
How other than witnessing curvature can the earth be proven a globe ?
As from what I've seen so far most of it also works on the geocentric model.


I think what makes a lot of people sceptical about the globe theory is that we have apparently been in space  thousands of times but there are very few pictures / images that stand up in photoshop.
For example if I was an astronaut I would simply put my mobile phone to the window and record the rocket taking off and docking at the space station in one unbroken real video;
 this has not been done yet even though mobiles have had cameras on for over ten years.
They could also make another Hubble type telescope launch it into deep space and set it up so it shows the earth and other planets orbiting the sun or the cheaper option would be to turn hubble round.This has not been done yet. ( can you see the pattern?)
I'm not saying the earth is flat because that is something I have yet to verify for myself but I struggle to understand why CGI has to be used when we have allegedly been in space thousands of times so it is not unreasonable for the millions of people to be sceptical about the globe theory.

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Flat Earth General / Re: Is Science the new Religion ?
« on: May 19, 2017, 10:02:41 AM »
@Coffercrisp
An interesting point about only the "best" being chosen; could it be that the people who determine who the best are could be looking for intelligent but gullible easily manipulated people who will not go against an already established hypothesis.
For example Einstein over Tesla

Einstein had theorys that nobody could verify.

Tesla had inventions people are still using today but Einstein was generally presented in my  English education as being superior.

@Canadabear
Thank you for the offer but unfortunately I'm really busy this year so will not have time to travel to Canada to witness this curvature you speak of as I'm from England.

Do any of you know where in England I can witness this curvature you speak of.


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Flat Earth General / Re: Is Science the new Religion ?
« on: May 19, 2017, 05:12:40 AM »
Anything that requires a great amount of faith to be believed has to be a religion.

Some people are stupid and gullible so they believe anything.

Alot of science is hard to believe we are told for example:

The earth is a globe

We are shown some CGI Images and then expected to believe in this globe theory.

I'm not really bothered what shape the earth is or if scientist's are lieing or telling the truth it makes no difference to my life.

That said until something can be verified by myself I do not believe it.


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Flat Earth General / Re: Is Science the new Religion ?
« on: May 19, 2017, 12:55:01 AM »
I don't think what I said has been understood  :-[ I can verify that my computer works as It comes in pieces,motherboard ,graphics card ect I build it then plug it in and it works.

How can I verify that two black holes collided one hundred thousand light years away ?

If this can't be verified by myself it then requires a massive amount of faith for me to believe what the scientists have observed is true  just as religion requires a massive amount of faith to believe what has been written is true.

Is science the new religion.?

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Flat Earth General / Is Science the new Religion ?
« on: May 18, 2017, 02:18:25 PM »
All we know is what we are shown.

I think some aspects of science require a great deal of faith just like a religion.

We all obviously know that science works because we put fuel in our car and it moves
 or we apply heat to water and it boils.

When a scientist says that two black holes have collided one hundred thousand light years away that requires a huge amount of faith, to believe that he/she is telling the truth; as there is no way for most people to verify their observation.

We all know religion works the main monotheistic religions are based on a race of people from the middle east and now after thousands of years the world helped some of them set a nation up in their homeland.

When a Vicar/Priest says That a man called Noah built a boat and all the animals where able to fit on it with Noah and his family also requires a huge amount of faith, to believe that he/she is telling the truth; as there is no way for most people to verify what has been written.

When someone doesn't believe in a popular hypothesis they are looked at by the believers in a negative way.

When someone doesn't believe in a religion they are looked at by the believers in a negative way.

Is Science the new religion ?

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