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Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe the earth is flat?
« on: June 09, 2021, 05:09:35 AM »
Remember, Flat Earth forum = Flat Earth standards. If you believe your globe Earth standard is much higher, great! But that high level is not needed on this forum for discussion purposes

Wow. This explains so much.

You don't think a high level of arguments is needed here, so just kind of throwing out random half-baked troll-like responses is what you seem to think a flat earth argument is.

That an... interesting argument.  :P

Indeed, but it is the standard this forum lives by

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Each laser needs to be 1 KW.  So.. why not fire off enough micro satelites into orbit and fire off the burst that way?  Or attach em to the moon?  I'd think a series of lasers on the moon would be a far better propulsion system.  Less power required to get to the solar sails.  And it would be solar powered.  I mean, 1 KW is not alot considering the ISS generates roughly 200 KW in direct sunlight.

Actually, putting them on the far side of the moon would be great because then you can't aim the giant death laser at anyone. :)

This also isn't a new idea, people have been proposing laser based micro probes for a long time. Every time it gets brought up we are a little closer to making it a reality, but it's stil sci-fi.

The biggest issue is there is no easy way to slow them down once they get to their destination, so all you can do it a flyby.  The best solution I know of is to make them cheap enough you can send a stream of them and have constant data coming back.

The issue of cosmic dust was brought up but another issue are hydrogen atoms. If you go fast enough as you smash through countless amounts of them along your journey they will irradiate the ship. Like flying through a hail storm except the hail are atoms. Another Star Trek tech, the 'Deflector' will also need to be invented if you want to traverse through space

Although honestly I think the only way we will travel is uploading information. If humanity survives long enough to essentially download our minds into computers perhaps we can upload that information into the void. Although if there are no receivers on the other end, we will just sail for eternity. Or fragment into essentially nothing thanks to the inverse square law

Any foray into space is not going to be a single generation effort. A 'von Neumann probe' is probably how you can do it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-replicating_spacecraft
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It has been theorized[3] that a self-replicating starship utilizing relatively conventional theoretical methods of interstellar travel (i.e., no exotic faster-than-light propulsion, and speeds limited to an "average cruising speed" of 0.1c.) could spread throughout a galaxy the size of the Milky Way in as little as half a million years.

I think people will have to accept the reality that their body is not going to be traveling interstellar/galactic distances. The best biological life can do is seed other worlds to leave a legacy. Happy to be wrong and see that StarGate was based on actual fact and not fiction though :P


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Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe the earth is flat?
« on: June 09, 2021, 04:47:30 AM »
I simply pointed out a video of a popular guy that tried to articulate some answers of some of the flat earth arguments. Sorry for triggering y'all  :-\
No, you simply claimed it contains some compelling arguments the flat Earth. That is not what it contained.

They are what flat earthers consider compelling. It is the flat earth standard

It's a video debunking some common flat earth claims.  Trying to claim it as 'compelling evidence' is about as dishonest as you can get.

Now... if you watched that video and seriously thought it provided good, compelling arguments for the earth being flat and made you a true flat earth believer and are honestly presenting it as your reasons for your beliefs, well that's evidence of another problem entirely.  :P

Am I in a round earth forum? No. I provided a video that explained the arguments and reasons some flat earthers have for their belief or reasoning. On a flat earth forum, those reasonings are good enough for a flat earth standard. It may not be my standard but on this flat earth forum, it is enough

Now, you can debate it if you like, no one is stopping you. But in line with the OP and questioning, I provided a video which articulated the flat earths arguments. Yes VSauce is an uber cool globe earther and yes, despite the video and the video featuring this very forum, John Davis has refused to get in touch with VSauce for.... Reasons? Go ahead and ask John.

John! When are you going to get in touch with VSauce? He hasn't uploaded much in a while so maybe he has the time for an interview with you. It could be the boost this forum needs to attract more people if its featured on a YouTube channel which literally gets millions of views in the days after a new upload. That could be MILLIONS OF SUBSCRIBERS TO THIS FORUM!!!! What say you John? You in? 8) Cool. I'll DM VSauce and let him know your interested. Thanks!

But at least Michael (VSauce) wasn't a dick like most of this forum when it comes to presenting flat earth arguments. Remember, Flat Earth forum = Flat Earth standards. If you believe your globe Earth standard is much higher, great! But that high level is not needed on this forum for discussion purposes

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Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe the earth is flat?
« on: June 09, 2021, 04:16:02 AM »
I simply pointed out a video of a popular guy that tried to articulate some answers of some of the flat earth arguments. Sorry for triggering y'all  :-\
No, you simply claimed it contains some compelling arguments the flat Earth. That is not what it contained.

They are what flat earthers consider compelling. It is the flat earth standard

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The Lounge / Re: Want to order from ebay to postal office near me
« on: June 09, 2021, 04:15:13 AM »

London highlighted what a joke Australia is especially with public transport. If you miss a bus, no worries, the next one is in 1 or 2 minutes. Also the network literally takes you anywhere from everywhere. If I lived in London, no way would I care to buy a car. The public transport is cheap and takes you anywhere

It really isn't that good in most places.  Buses tend to cost quite a bit more and services are much more sparse.


Yeah, but you are talking about coming from a place where getting from Coober-Pedy to Jigalong, would entail hiring outriders, radiation suits with integral sombreros, would probably take weeks and the signing of some sort of waiver for the emergency services to ignore your increasingly desperate screams for help on the CB radio for Koala anti-venom, water and calamine lotion.

Exactly!

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The Lounge / Re: Found out what type of colorblindess i have
« on: June 09, 2021, 04:09:10 AM »

Hopefully burnt-bread isn’t an electrician.
He’d make a crap M&M sorter too, but he wouldn’t be putting anyone in danger.

All men are colour blind compared to women, men have no conception of taupe or cerise due to the IDNGAF gene and the fact that these colours are only obtainable in cushion covers, curtains and emulsion paints.

For a long time in human history, the colour blue was not in our vocabulary
https://www.dunnedwards.com/colors/specs/posts/color-blue-history

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If you think about it, there is not a lot of blue in nature. Most people do not have blue eyes, blue flowers do not occur naturally without human intervention, and blue animals are rare -- bluebirds and bluejays only live in isolated areas. The sky is blue -- or is it? One theory suggests that before humans had words for the color blue, they actually saw the sky as another color. This theory is supported by the fact that if you never describe the color of the sky to a child, and then ask them what color it is, they often struggle to describe its color. Some describe it as colorless or white. It seems that only after being told that the sky is blue, and after seeing other blue objects over a period of time, does one start seeing the sky as blue.

Additional support for this theory comes from studies of an ancient Nambian tribe who does not have separate words for the colors green and blue. When shown a set of squares, 11 of which are green and 1 of which are blue, members of this tribe cannot identify the blue square from the green squares. Thus, it seems that since there was no word for the color blue, early humans did not really notice it.

Also Russians have a different colour for light blue and dark blue and as such are much better at telling the difference between them then other countries
https://www.pnas.org/content/104/19/7780

Here is another great read if you have some time. It's quite interesting that how different cultures can see the same thing differently
https://www.sapiens.org/language/color-perception/

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The Lounge / Re: Want to order from ebay to postal office near me
« on: June 09, 2021, 04:00:24 AM »

London highlighted what a joke Australia is especially with public transport. If you miss a bus, no worries, the next one is in 1 or 2 minutes. Also the network literally takes you anywhere from everywhere. If I lived in London, no way would I care to buy a car. The public transport is cheap and takes you anywhere

It really isn't that good in most places.  Buses tend to cost quite a bit more and services are much more sparse.

Compared to Canberra, it's much better. Here, 'The Nations Capital' you can walk about 1km to the bus stop. Miss a bus, you can wait up to an hour for the next one. Too bad if your bus ran late and you missed the connecting service (and they do run late!) The buses serviceable areas are quite sparse and a trip of about 20km can take an hour to get to. There is no underground metro, and the buses are outrageously priced for what they offer. Canberra was built with cars in mind. Not public transport. Personally I'm a fan of a city that can provide a decent public transport system

Even Warsaw, a country ravaged by war has got their shit together and done a bang up job leaving Canberra in the dust lol

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The Lounge / Re: Found out what type of colorblindess i have
« on: June 09, 2021, 03:14:34 AM »
I dont have any colour blindness. You know how when you press a remote button and you cant see any light but you if you record it on your phone you can see the led flash? Well I can see the light. I can also move each eye independently and I have as many types of cones as a mantis shrimp (16).

I also have synesthesia in that I can 'see' the sounds.

I wouldn't say my genes are superior. Just different.

And before anyone gets triggered, please understand this is the lounge where we should be able to talk shit and laugh  >:D ;D


Also, Ski is the best mod

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The Lounge / Re: Want to order from ebay to postal office near me
« on: June 09, 2021, 02:48:39 AM »
Been to the UK (London) once. Spent 5 days. Not gonna lie, that place is awesome. I was a big fan of eating at Pret A Manger lol. Loved the yoghurt and mixed berries  :P

Also for a laugh I went to look at the prices of things in Self Ridges.

London highlighted what a joke Australia is especially with public transport. If you miss a bus, no worries, the next one is in 1 or 2 minutes. Also the network literally takes you anywhere from everywhere. If I lived in London, no way would I care to buy a car. The public transport is cheap and takes you anywhere

Yay for The UK!

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Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe the earth is flat?
« on: June 09, 2021, 02:37:12 AM »
Vsauce goes into this. There's some compelling arguments for the flat earth (plus the vid features this society) 8)
Really?
I don't recall any compelling arguments for the flat Earth in that video.
Just what part do you think is one?
The relativistic contraction which can theoretically make a round object appear flat, which in no way works for people living on Earth?
Yes
So your compelling argument is that Earth, which is round, i.e. roughly a globe, can be perceived as flat if you are travelling at a very high speed relative to it?
In stark contrast to the current FE models?

From our limited perspective, yes.

I simply pointed out a video of a popular guy that tried to articulate some answers of some of the flat earth arguments. Sorry for triggering y'all  :-\

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Each laser needs to be 1 KW.  So.. why not fire off enough micro satelites into orbit and fire off the burst that way?  Or attach em to the moon?  I'd think a series of lasers on the moon would be a far better propulsion system.  Less power required to get to the solar sails.  And it would be solar powered.  I mean, 1 KW is not alot considering the ISS generates roughly 200 KW in direct sunlight.
I would imagine there might be quite a bit of nervousness about building a laser array that could annihilate a city on earth from the moon. Would you really think China would let America do this?   Or vice versa?

Good point lol. Knowing America if they had their hands on such a device, space exploration would simply be a cover or the devices secondary purpose. The primary purpose would be as a weapon!

If only humans trusted each trusted each other..... This is why we cant have nice things  :'(

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There is nothing there on the Moon that you cannot see from Earth. You sound like being blind. What shall you do with your Helium 3 on the Moon?

https://www.explainingthefuture.com/helium3.html

Helium 3 could be very useful if we can get it back to Earth. The desire should breed innovation to set up mines and bring it back to Earth. Perhaps if this is done later and you're still alive, one of the miners could pick up your 'prize' LOL

Though something tells me the cheque would bounce
Well, before Tritium/Helium 3 is imported from the Moon, we have to ensure that Helium 3 can provide energy by fusion on Earth. http://heiwaco.com/chall3.htm  I offer since many years a prize for it but nobody collects.
I have already given away millions to cheer up people, but there is still plenty in the bank.

Given away millions? Who too and when?

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: how high is the dome?
« on: June 08, 2021, 04:42:12 PM »
Okay, so I won't debate this.  The gist of your answer is that you don't know the height of the dome, and it has never been measured.

Well I'm sure NASA would know, they send rockets up there all the time. If measurements have been done, it's been by them. They aren't exactly going to be forthcoming though

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: how high is the dome?
« on: June 08, 2021, 04:32:39 PM »
But the question of the original post has not been answered.   How high up is the dome.  This requires a number with a unit of measure.  How was the height measured?

Well how high does your commerical plane go? Highest I see reported is about 43000ft or 13km. So it's at minimum that number. Maybe they leave a little breathing room but at least we know it's definetly not less than 13km

So you are saying that you do not have an exact height?  Just that it is over 13km. because that is the maximum altitude of commercial airliners.
So my next question is why is the maximum altitude of commercial airliners the standard?  Crewed balloons have gone much higher.

At altitudes of 13km the environmental conditions are incompatible for human life. No breathable air, -60 degrees Celsius, and increased radiation. Any claims of people floating around in balloons higher than this is a global lie but that's a topic for the debate section

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Flat Earth Q&A / Re: how high is the dome?
« on: June 08, 2021, 04:16:47 PM »
But the question of the original post has not been answered.   How high up is the dome.  This requires a number with a unit of measure.  How was the height measured?

Well how high does your commerical plane go? Highest I see reported is about 43000ft or 13km. So it's at minimum that number. Maybe they leave a little breathing room but at least we know it's definetly not less than 13km

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The Lounge / Re: Found out what type of colorblindess i have
« on: June 08, 2021, 03:21:14 PM »
At the risk of memberating can people first acknowledge what forum they are in before hitting that reply button. In the lounge must there be such a toxic discourse? C'mon

Whatever beef you have with someone in the lower boards, doesn't have to be brought here. If you utterly detest the person, don't reply

Now I await my perma ban for the memberating. Thanks a lot NSS  >:( :P

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“ Scientists estimate roughly 100 million individual lasers will be needed to generate the required optical power of about 100GW.”

Oh, good grief.  I’m a big fan of space exploration within reason, but this is just preposterous.

The other annoying thing with it is that it wont ever accomate a human crew. Just tiny probes that can get destroyed by dust

I'm sure it will stay as a neat thought experiment but hey, if they pull it off, I won't complain


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Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe the earth is flat?
« on: June 08, 2021, 02:54:49 PM »
Vsauce goes into this. There's some compelling arguments for the flat earth (plus the vid features this society) 8)
Really?
I don't recall any compelling arguments for the flat Earth in that video.
Just what part do you think is one?
The relativistic contraction which can theoretically make a round object appear flat, which in no way works for people living on Earth?

Yes

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Nothing new, solar sail ideas have been around for many years.

Also it would be quite stupid to send seeds from the Svalbard Global Seed Vault. It’s a backup. We have seeds available that aren’t in a backup which one day may have to save the human race.
Dur

I'm sure the seed vault has a few to spare. It's nicely catalogued too.

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The Lounge / Re: Just got my first vaxx dose.
« on: June 08, 2021, 11:34:30 AM »
Must go with the left arm for next one, to balance the 5G absorption.

By the time I get mine, 6G will be the rage I think

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Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe the earth is flat?
« on: June 08, 2021, 11:33:12 AM »
No, I don't believe the Earth is flat. The abundance of evidence leads to 100% certainty that it is round. 8)
A single evidence that the Earth is flat is yet to be provided.

Vsauce goes into this. There's some compelling arguments for the flat earth (plus the vid features this society) 8)
I am sorry to have to draw your attention to the fact that among the scientific community Youtube videos are not considered as evidence, not to speak compelling. Furthermore, I said 'evidence' not 'arguments'. Do those words mean the same for you?

What if your arguing about evidence?

I'm sorry. English is not my first language and your question is unclear to me. Would you reword it somehow?

My question is succinct. Arguing about the evidence. Would you take 'debating the evidence'?

Your English was good enough to watch the video in full and reply back to me to tell me I'm incorrect. It's good enough to understand 3 words strung together

Most probably - yes. Unfortunately for you, the video is not such evidence. Let me be clear, although I am sure you know this - evidence (or rather, scientific evidence) has to conform to certain commonly accepted requirements in the scientific world. Flatearthism is still lacking such type of evidence.

You clearly didn't even watch the video. It's not one of those crappy Flat Earth videos going around but by a popular Youtuber with millions of subscribers who does lots of science on his channel. Also, pretty sure he's a rock solid glober

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / 20 years to get to Alpha Centauri
« on: June 08, 2021, 11:29:42 AM »
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-08/canberra-anu-scientists-laser-sail-interstellar-space-discovery/100198228
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What lies beyond our solar system has long fascinated not just scientists but also writers and filmmakers, so murky are its depths.

And even the two probes that have made it beyond the heliosphere and into interstellar space — Voyagers 1 and 2 — did so only after decades of exploring our own planetary system.

Now, Canberra researchers say they have cracked the code to enable us to send a spacecraft even further, and at a far greater speed, to another planetary system altogether.

The spacecraft is also so small and delicate that scientists plan to send more than one in the hope that some of them will make it to Alpha Centauri, without being destroyed by an errant piece of space dust along the way.

The achievement is "very exciting" because it could enable us to record information from those planetary bodies within our lifetime — its predicted travel time is just 20 years.

Compare that to the roughly 44 years Voyager 2 spent nosing around Uranus and Neptune before continuing into the great beyond.

The study's lead author, Australian National University astrophysicist Chathura Bandutunga, said when they discovered the solution it was a kind of "eureka moment", when they worked out how many lasers, and in what formation, they would need to propel their spacecraft far enough and fast enough to reach its goal.

"We already have several crafts — Voyager included — [in interstellar space] but it will be many human lifetimes before they reach anywhere near another star," Dr Bandutunga said.


Ideally, a spacecraft will reach Alpha Centauri, the closest star system and closest planetary system to Earth's, and record images and scientific measurements that will be broadcast back to Earth.

Scientists estimate roughly 100 million individual lasers will be needed to generate the required optical power of about 100GW.

Fellow author Paul Sibley said the devil was in the detail when it came to unscrambling the lasers.

"We use a random digital signal to scramble the measurements from each laser and unscramble each one separately in digital signal processing," he said.

“This allows us to pick out only the measurements we need from a vast jumble of information. We can then break the problem into small arrays and link them together in sections."

While these measurements may seem confounding to the average eye, what is clear is that scientists have never got this close before.

"This project is really about making that travel from our star to another star possible within a human lifetime," Dr Bandutunga said.

Yay for Canberra. More of the story at the link

Hopefully if this project ever got up and running we dont just send everything at the one candidate. We should send them to worlds that are rocky, assured an atmosphere and orbiting a stable star in its Goldilocks zone. No point investing all that time and energy to visit a hot Jupiter or lifeless barren rock. Also we should totally seed the probes. Throw a copy of some of the seeds from the Svalbard seed vault, our DNA and proteins. Maybe if the world visited was lifeless, the mission wont be totally wasted and  we can give it a chance and kickstart a process. In that way, our legacy as humans will live on even if we blow each other to bits here :)


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Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe the earth is flat?
« on: June 08, 2021, 09:56:00 AM »
No, I don't believe the Earth is flat. The abundance of evidence leads to 100% certainty that it is round. 8)
A single evidence that the Earth is flat is yet to be provided.

Vsauce goes into this. There's some compelling arguments for the flat earth (plus the vid features this society) 8)
I am sorry to have to draw your attention to the fact that among the scientific community Youtube videos are not considered as evidence, not to speak compelling. Furthermore, I said 'evidence' not 'arguments'. Do those words mean the same for you?

What if your arguing about evidence?

I'm sorry. English is not my first language and your question is unclear to me. Would you reword it somehow?

My question is succinct. Arguing about the evidence. Would you take 'debating the evidence'?

Your English was good enough to watch the video in full and reply back to me to tell me I'm incorrect. It's good enough to understand 3 words strung together

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There is nothing there on the Moon that you cannot see from Earth. You sound like being blind. What shall you do with your Helium 3 on the Moon?

https://www.explainingthefuture.com/helium3.html

Helium 3 could be very useful if we can get it back to Earth. The desire should breed innovation to set up mines and bring it back to Earth. Perhaps if this is done later and you're still alive, one of the miners could pick up your 'prize' LOL

Though something tells me the cheque would bounce

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Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe the earth is flat?
« on: June 08, 2021, 08:25:49 AM »
No, I don't believe the Earth is flat. The abundance of evidence leads to 100% certainty that it is round. 8)
A single evidence that the Earth is flat is yet to be provided.


Vsauce goes into this. There's some compelling arguments for the flat earth (plus the vid features this society) 8)
I am sorry to have to draw your attention to the fact that among the scientific community Youtube videos are not considered as evidence, not to speak compelling. Furthermore, I said 'evidence' not 'arguments'. Do those words mean the same for you?

What if your arguing about evidence?

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Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe the earth is flat?
« on: June 08, 2021, 07:44:48 AM »
Silly videos? :'(

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Hey everyone, what have I missed?

Heiwa is too poor to afford Nespresso coffee so he buys cheap instant coffee now

Topic is my popular Challenge how to fly in space to the Moon and return to Earth and be adored about ... and explain how it was done. See post #1. There are no winners. Nobody can explain how to fly in the universe and return on Earth. Why is that? See http://heiwaco.com/ch.htm

That isn't anything new. The question was what did Bullwinkle miss in his absence.
Don't change the subject - my Challenge. You really are a loser.

The subject is not your challenge. The subject is about someone having won your challenge. You try to change it because you are the real loser here. Everytime you post is just another 'I'm really a loser' admission.
Yes, some fool (see post #1) started this thread about my Challenge ... and he lost ... and there we are. I just organize the Challenge and am happy about the interest in flying to the Moon, etc. Only complete American losers and idiots fly to the Moon. There is nothing there on the Moon that you cannot see from Earth. You sound like one.

Helium 3 is on the moon and could be very useful

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Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe the earth is flat?
« on: June 08, 2021, 06:33:44 AM »
No, I don't believe the Earth is flat. The abundance of evidence leads to 100% certainty that it is round. 8)
A single evidence that the Earth is flat is yet to be provided.


Vsauce goes into this. There's some compelling arguments for the flat earth (plus the vid features this society) 8)

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Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: SHOULD I BUY BITCOINS?
« on: June 08, 2021, 06:26:39 AM »
The equipment to mine it is quite costly. Then there's the complete and pointless waste of electricity usage to get anything. And here we are supposed to be concious about our CO2 footprint.


Then there's this guy who probably regrets ever getting into the whole Bitcoin gig

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Hey everyone, what have I missed?

Heiwa is too poor to afford Nespresso coffee so he buys cheap instant coffee now

Topic is my popular Challenge how to fly in space to the Moon and return to Earth and be adored about ... and explain how it was done. See post #1. There are no winners. Nobody can explain how to fly in the universe and return on Earth. Why is that? See http://heiwaco.com/ch.htm

That isn't anything new. The question was what did Bullwinkle miss in his absence.
Don't change the subject - my Challenge. You really are a loser.

The subject is not your challenge. The subject is about someone having won your challenge. You try to change it because you are the real loser here. Everytime you post is just another 'I'm really a loser' admission.

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