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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: June 12, 2021, 08:29:48 AM »
Underemployment is a huge problem. Of course no one measures that metric (well they probably do they just don't advertise it) but working even 1 hour a week or just being 'on the books' is enough to make the 'unemployment rate' look low

So while the unemployment rate looks nice a low for the government to boast about, the reality is that a lot of people just do not have enough work to make enough to get by.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Can't figure it out
« on: June 11, 2021, 07:30:56 AM »
I am trying to understand the FE model, but it just doesn't make sense.   Can someone explain this to me?  The Sun rises in the East.  Let's say it is the equinox, and the sun will rise due East and set due West.  Please don't argue with me about whether this is true.  We can see it with our own eyes.  So, if the Earth is flat and I watch the Sun set (or leave) in the West at 7:34 PM here in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA.   To my friend in Jerusalem, Israel, the time is 7 hours later or 2:34 AM in the morning.   In Jerusalem the Sun will rise in the morning at 5:41 AM.   This means that 3 hours after the Sun sets for me in the West,  The Sun must rise (or arrive) from the East for my friend in Jerusalem.   How can the Sun travel that distance in that short length of time.  It is easy to see how it works with a RE, but makes no sense to me with a FE.  Anyone have a real explanation for this?  Please don't debate word minutia.  I am interested in an explanation.

Maybe you should just look up what the FE Theory says about it - https://wiki.tfes.org/Equinox
In no way does this answer the question.  Even if there is a slight variance of the length of day around the equinox at  different locations.   It still does not explain how the sun can set in the West in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA,  and rise in the East just 3 hours later in Jerusalem Israel.  How does the sun get to the location necessary in just 3 hours?  It can't.  But, a round Earth explains it perfectly.

Did you consider that your friend might not be entirely honest with you?

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
« on: June 11, 2021, 03:06:28 AM »
Beards are not hot. Unless you mean that they feel hot to the wearer of the beard, in the summer. That's probably true.

Beards are for men who have something to hide. Or if they think they are so ugly they want less attention on their face

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Can't figure it out
« on: June 10, 2021, 06:17:58 AM »
Don’t even try to figure it out. The notion of a flat earth is no more than a fanciful belief.
That is a horrible idea.
That is how to be extremely close minded and dismiss anything you don't agree with.
You should try to figure it out and see if it is possible or not, with this often leading to something contradicting a much simpler observation from reality, or itself.
The harder you try to figure it out, while still being unable to find out a way to make it work, the more confident you can rationally be that it is not possible.

If you simply dismiss it without even trying to see if it is possible, you have no justification to claim it can't work or that it is not possible or the like, and are in no better a position than simply asserting that it works.

This is a good stance. I love crazy thought experiments. No they don't have to be reality but playing with concepts, ideas and imaginations can be healthy for the mind. Sure, don't get lost in it but the human mind is capable of wonder. How many animals on earth can do the same?

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe the earth is flat?
« on: June 10, 2021, 03:49:41 AM »
I'm already orders of magnitude less toxic than you. You've never been pleasant or jovial here. Never cracked a joke or been sarcastic. Never had a LOL moment. Ever

Tell me, have you ever been diagnosed as being on the Autism Spectrum Disorder? Because your socially awkward as F. No offence.
See, this is the kind of toxic attitude that makes the site unpleasant.

I'll take it as a yes. Don't worry, there are plenty of cool people with ASD.

Have you seen Kyle Hill on YouTube? Major science nerd and geek. Super funny though. Has ASD. Still cool

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: nCoV public service announcement. (IMPORTANT)
« on: June 10, 2021, 01:06:38 AM »
Damn it! When Australia sorting its shit out! I wanna be magnetised!

Then I can call myself 'Magneto'

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##### Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: Is COVID-19 Caused by a Virus or a Mycobacterium?
« on: June 09, 2021, 06:14:22 PM »
Ok this thread has really just taken a dive and is now nothing but Heiwa spamming his site. Seriously the last few pages could go in the dump. Heiwa have you considered starting your own thread? Go nuts in there.

Can't we just discuss covid being a mycobacteria? As much as we might think it's preposterous it is the subject of this thread like it or not. I personally found the ideas to be interesting (well given its now just Heiwa spamming his site and crackpot covid nonsense)

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe the earth is flat?
« on: June 09, 2021, 04:41:49 PM »
They are what flat earthers consider compelling. It is the flat earth standard
No, it wasn't.
Just what FEer do you know of that considers a very high velocity particle in any way a compelling argument for the FE?

And in no way did you indicate we should use a FE standard. This forum is not just open to FEers. It is open to everyone.
That means it doesn't just use a FE standard of "Earth is flat, everything that says otherwise is wrong"

but the discourse in the upper forums is starting to get too toxic. Everyones out for a 'gotcha' or just being plain nasty
Have you considered trying to be less toxic then?

I'm already orders of magnitude less toxic than you. You've never been pleasant or jovial here. Never cracked a joke or been sarcastic. Never had a LOL moment. Ever

Tell me, have you ever been diagnosed as being on the Autism Spectrum Disorder? Because your socially awkward as F. No offence.

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##### Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: 20 years to get to Alpha Centauri
« on: June 09, 2021, 12:35:47 PM »
And in a simulation where every real second could last years if you chose, it's going to be as good as immortality as you can get.

Or maybe we accidentally invent hell?  Eternal suffering for the departed/uploaded.  That would be quite an achievement.

The TV series Black Mirror had something like that. It wasn't 'hell' per say but imagine being stuck all alone for basically an eternity. Might be an interesting way to punish criminals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Christmas_(Black_Mirror)

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##### Arts & Entertainment / Re: Amazon buys MGM - Stargate renewal?
« on: June 09, 2021, 11:28:08 AM »
Like OG cast?  James Spader is looking pretty chunky these days.

The TV series not the original movie. Amanda Tapping and Michael Shanks apparently have expressed interest to reprise their roles (I guess as cameos).

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##### Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« on: June 09, 2021, 11:21:46 AM »

Cheer up Heiwa. You may be at the bottom of the barrel right now but you can only go up from here!

Well like I said, cheer up. You're just in a downer right now. If you need to talk to someone about you feeling like a loser it's best to see a professional. They might be able to prescribe you some medication to feel better

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##### The Lounge / Re: Found out what type of colorblindess i have
« on: June 09, 2021, 11:15:42 AM »
Well the optometrist advice is still pretty sound. Do that.

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##### Arts & Entertainment / Amazon buys MGM - Stargate renewal?
« on: June 09, 2021, 11:13:53 AM »
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/former-stargate-producer-on-amazons-mgm-deal-no-doubt-well-see-new-series
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With news that Amazon is acquiring MGM in a deal valued at more than \$8 billion, attention immediately turned to what that might mean for all the properties controlled by the company — namely stuff like James Bond, Stargate, and Robocop. Well, now one of the original producers on the old Stargate series has chimed in with his thoughts.

Joseph Mallozzi, who served as a producer on SG-1, Atlantis and Stargate Universe, offered up his take on the situation in a recent blog post. To be clear, Mallozzi has nothing to do with any new Stargate project at this point — though fellow original producer Brad Wright is developing plans for a revival, though there’s been no news on when or if that project might materialize. Of course, Amazon’s purchase of MGM will obviously play a critical role in any future decision-making.
More Stargate
The PORTAL project Portal in Vilnius
Almost a real-life Stargate: Sci-fi portal gives two-way window into cities hundreds of miles apart
stargate-sg1-carter-hero.jpg
Stargate SG-1’s Amanda Tapping reveals she’s been approached to return for proposed new series

So for now, all fans can do it wait.

But what does Mallozzi think about it all? In his opinion from the outside looking in, there’s no doubt we’ll get a new Stargate project at some point, since Amazon will be looking to capitalize on all that juicy, beloved IP it just ponied up to buy. The question now is whether it’ll be a full-fledged reboot, or something that revives the original franchise and keeps that canon (and continuity, characters, etc.) in place.

“There’s no doubt that if this sale is finalized, we will see a new Stargate series sooner than later. The big question is ‘What will this new series look like?’ It’s no secret that longtime Stargate (SG-1, Atlantis, Universe) co-creator Brad Wright has been developing a new show,” he wrote. “In a best case scenario, an executive familiar with the franchise, and its amazing fandom, will recognize the huge potential there and fast-track his series. In the worst case scenario, someone else is brought in, 20 years of canon gets wiped out, and the fans get screwed. The latter is, in my view, most unlikely.”

It’s nice to see Mallozzi has hope things will work out in the end for Stargate, though in the meantime, he noted fans might want to take to social media to create some targeted buzz to let Amazon decision-makers know there’s still an active and fervent fanbase wanting to see more adventures soon.

A season of Stargate cost \$50 million. In contrast, Amazon just forked out nearly \$500 million for a season of Lord of the Rings

Who wants a return of Stargate? Or should it be left to RIP for fear they might screw it up like so many revivals of Star Trek?

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##### Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« on: June 09, 2021, 11:05:08 AM »

Cheer up Heiwa. You may be at the bottom of the barrel right now but you can only go up from here!

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe the earth is flat?
« on: June 09, 2021, 10:50:32 AM »
So if you say Earth is not flat because mountains, well I say your razor blade is not flat if you look close enough too.

Do you agree that "the earth is flat because I looked out the window and it looks flat" is also just as flawed of an argument?

I believe people shouldn't be so easily triggered by people being facetious. I believe 'look out your window' is just a running joke, like 'he is'

If you don't think "it looks flat" hasn't been used as a serious argument, you need to lurk moar.

It can also be used when the flat earther could not give a shit about entertaining you with a serious answer because they know you wouldn't bother to read or take it seriously. I mean, why spend the time going sandokhan level of answers when the person is not even going to bother reading it and just blowing you off.

You say you want to learn and stuff but you foster an environment where no one is going to take the time to be serious with you. Maybe respect is a 2 way street? It is where I live anyway

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##### Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: 20 years to get to Alpha Centauri
« on: June 09, 2021, 10:40:38 AM »
As far as we know, uploading into a computer is simply an engineering challenge.
As far as we know....that's the point, we don't know.

To assume the challenge lies in the same domain as making a smaller phone or faster car, may be making a fundamental error in the first place.

I'm not sure what fundamental error we could be making that would cause it to be impossible.

As long as neurons are made of atoms, and we have no reason to believe otherwise, they work just like anything else in the universe and it's only a matter of being able to examine them in detail.

It might take us 50 years or 500 but there is nothing at all in physics that would make it impossible.

We could do it with some sort of extreme precision fMRI, or freeze a brain and scan it in slices, or even engineer neurons to have the ability to perform a read-out on command.

Just an engineering issue. We can already take apart a single neuron atom by atom. Just have to do it a whole bunch more.

The goal is to replicate consciousness without biology. So no neurons in the classical sense

The goal of copying a brain into a computer is to get it into the computer, the method doesn't matter. Biological, technological or magical. Anything that works is a valid solution.

I am thinking of having a human like level of consciousness but in a system that has no biological components. Biology degrades and needs constant maintenance and fuel. A computer just needs energy which (if we are at this level of tech) should be no problem to get anything we want from the sun

Computer components fail.

No kidding. But you can have a computer running for years. And if said computer was in an ultra low temperature environment (eg a few degrees K) it could run for thousands of years. And in a simulation where every real second could last years if you chose, it's going to be as good as immortality as you can get.

Biology just wont cut it in the future. It is far too high maintenence and succumbs too easily
Automated robots could a

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##### Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: 20 years to get to Alpha Centauri
« on: June 09, 2021, 10:31:20 AM »
As far as we know, uploading into a computer is simply an engineering challenge.
As far as we know....that's the point, we don't know.

To assume the challenge lies in the same domain as making a smaller phone or faster car, may be making a fundamental error in the first place.

I'm not sure what fundamental error we could be making that would cause it to be impossible.

As long as neurons are made of atoms, and we have no reason to believe otherwise, they work just like anything else in the universe and it's only a matter of being able to examine them in detail.

It might take us 50 years or 500 but there is nothing at all in physics that would make it impossible.

We could do it with some sort of extreme precision fMRI, or freeze a brain and scan it in slices, or even engineer neurons to have the ability to perform a read-out on command.

Just an engineering issue. We can already take apart a single neuron atom by atom. Just have to do it a whole bunch more.

The goal is to replicate consciousness without biology. So no neurons in the classical sense

The goal of copying a brain into a computer is to get it into the computer, the method doesn't matter. Biological, technological or magical. Anything that works is a valid solution.

I am thinking of having a human like level of consciousness but in a system that has no biological components. Biology degrades and needs constant maintenance and fuel. A computer just needs energy which (if we are at this level of tech) should be no problem to get anything we want from the sun

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##### Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: 20 years to get to Alpha Centauri
« on: June 09, 2021, 10:02:05 AM »
As far as we know, uploading into a computer is simply an engineering challenge.
As far as we know....that's the point, we don't know.

To assume the challenge lies in the same domain as making a smaller phone or faster car, may be making a fundamental error in the first place.

I'm not sure what fundamental error we could be making that would cause it to be impossible.

As long as neurons are made of atoms, and we have no reason to believe otherwise, they work just like anything else in the universe and it's only a matter of being able to examine them in detail.

It might take us 50 years or 500 but there is nothing at all in physics that would make it impossible.

We could do it with some sort of extreme precision fMRI, or freeze a brain and scan it in slices, or even engineer neurons to have the ability to perform a read-out on command.

Just an engineering issue. We can already take apart a single neuron atom by atom. Just have to do it a whole bunch more.

The goal is to replicate consciousness without biology. So no neurons in the classical sense

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe the earth is flat?
« on: June 09, 2021, 09:50:58 AM »
So if you say Earth is not flat because mountains, well I say your razor blade is not flat if you look close enough too.

Do you agree that "the earth is flat because I looked out the window and it looks flat" is also just as flawed of an argument?

I believe people shouldn't be so easily triggered by people being facetious. I believe 'look out your window' is just a running joke, like 'he is'

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe the earth is flat?
« on: June 09, 2021, 09:09:45 AM »
What has happened?
Though those are some rather lovely ladies i spy....
But anyways we need to stay on topic.
This is just asking if you are a flat earther or not.

Sometimes using imagery and a little humour can break some ice and get people to think and understand concepts. They dont have to agree with the concepts but the discourse in the upper forums is starting to get too toxic. Everyones out for a 'gotcha' or just being plain nasty

So if you say Earth is not flat because mountains, well I say your razor blade is not flat if you look close enough too.

The microcosm world is fascinating. It's seriously looks like a whole new dimension of reality - It makes you wonder if our macro world is all there is? Or are we simply just a microcosm of something even greater. Maybe our universe is some aliens dandruff or something. Meh.

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##### The Lounge / Re: I just won \$50 on a Scratch-Off
« on: June 09, 2021, 07:26:37 AM »
Does the man plan on buying the petrol station a new pump hose?

lol, I'm sure he'll have enough left over to boast about

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe the earth is flat?
« on: June 09, 2021, 06:45:27 AM »
It's all about scale. Take your razor blade. Looks pretty flat, smooth, sharp etc. Now view it under an electron microscope. Doesn't look so flat anymore.

Earth is the same. Up close it looks or jagged and messy like the guys face you ordered fast food from but from afar it looks polished, smooth and immaculate like a the faces in a KPOP band

You're right, it does look all smooth and polished from afar. Like a tiny perfect little marble. Just like a KPOP band members... uh... nevermind.

Sorry, not seeing anything marble shaped here. What did you have in mind?

I don't want to get arrested.

Hmmm. I found this other band. Does it have marble shapes like how you imagine the Earth to look like from space?

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: June 09, 2021, 06:43:37 AM »
A presidents policies don't matter if they are lying about them and are just a selfish narcissist who will throw his own votes under the bus if it means he personally profits.

This is literally every politician before an election. Just lies, spin and fluff. It's 'who can word play the swinging voters the best'. The party already knows it has the rusted on supporters no matter what they say, its just getting that 5-10% of swinging voters. And they will say and promise anything to get them.

Once their in, they have no reason to follow through anymore. They got what they want

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: June 09, 2021, 06:41:13 AM »
The Left still has gone off the deep end, by the way. The Left is silly, caught up in culture wars about bakeries and pronouns while China builds high-speed transits, buys Africa, and repairs oodles of infrastructure all the while very rapidly tracking to surpass us and dominate on a global stage. Wake the fuck up, Left.

China still did all that under Trump. The trade war was a joke that only cost American tax payers money. China never lost a dollar to the tariffs. But the compensation to farmers etc due to the tariffs probably could have gone to socialised health care and it still didn't fully compensate them.

\$16 billion to pay for Trumps stand offish BS. It accomplished nothing expect make America look increasing isolationist and unfriendly.

China fucked up with their little trade dispute with Australia too. Trade wars only have losers - nobody wins.

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe the earth is flat?
« on: June 09, 2021, 06:29:27 AM »
It's all about scale. Take your razor blade. Looks pretty flat, smooth, sharp etc. Now view it under an electron microscope. Doesn't look so flat anymore.

Earth is the same. Up close it looks or jagged and messy like the guys face you ordered fast food from but from afar it looks polished, smooth and immaculate like a the faces in a KPOP band

You're right, it does look all smooth and polished from afar. Like a tiny perfect little marble. Just like a KPOP band members... uh... nevermind.

Sorry, not seeing anything marble shaped here. What did you have in mind?

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##### Philosophy, Religion & Society / Re: Why do you support donald trump
« on: June 09, 2021, 06:17:36 AM »
Good lord. Trump is getting more and more unhinged.

“Congratulations to the country of Nigeria, who just banned Twitter because they banned their President.”

“More COUNTRIES should ban Twitter and Facebook for not allowing free and open speech — all voices should be heard. In the meantime, competitors will emerge and take hold. Who are they to dictate good and evil if they themselves are evil? Perhaps I should have done it while I was President. But Zuckerberg kept calling me and coming to the White House for dinner telling me how great I was. 2024?”

Did he just admit that he should have banned Facebook but didn't because Zuckerberg told him how great he was?

That was why he didn't shut down this terrible company, because the CEO flattered him?  I mean it's always been clear that's how Trump operates, just crazy to see him just outright admit it.

The scary thing is his supporters see that and jump around like idiots cheering for him. Just mind boggling.

I get it, I get it -- I voted for the unhinged loony and Biden's actually doing rather well and surpassing my expectations thus far for his Presidency.

Rub it in, why don't you!

I dont think Biden is doing that well. It's just that Trump was so terrible, inept, loud, uncouth and embarrassing, a normal day for Biden would be a rare and exceptional day for Trump.

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##### Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« on: June 09, 2021, 06:15:16 AM »
There is nothing there on the Moon that you cannot see from Earth. You sound like being blind. What shall you do with your Helium 3 on the Moon?

https://www.explainingthefuture.com/helium3.html

Helium 3 could be very useful if we can get it back to Earth. The desire should breed innovation to set up mines and bring it back to Earth. Perhaps if this is done later and you're still alive, one of the miners could pick up your 'prize' LOL

Though something tells me the cheque would bounce
Well, before Tritium/Helium 3 is imported from the Moon, we have to ensure that Helium 3 can provide energy by fusion on Earth. http://heiwaco.com/chall3.htm  I offer since many years a prize for it but nobody collects.
I have already given away millions to cheer up people, but there is still plenty in the bank.

Given away millions? Who too and when?
My daughters! All the time!

All the time you say?

Yes, as a father I looked after and paid for my three daughters education 30 years ago, etc. And lately I have given them some extra money to facilitate things. I cannot take it with me, when I die. You sound like a loser. If you win my Challenge (topic) I'll give you €1M! Are you poor? Please, try to get rich! It isn't too difficult.

Yeah but holding out 5 million euros from your own kids is a bit of dick move dont you think? Your supposedly sitting on piles of money, your daughters could really do with a helping hand and you're like 'sorry. The 5 million euros that could be life changing for you is reserved for the twerps trying to win my unwinnable challenge'

Dont give a flying flap about us Heiwa, dismantle your challenges and give that money to your family. I know I would lol

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##### Flat Earth General / Re: Do you believe the earth is flat?
« on: June 09, 2021, 06:00:37 AM »
It's all about scale. Take your razor blade. Looks pretty flat, smooth, sharp etc. Now view it under an electron microscope. Doesn't look so flat anymore.

Earth is the same. Up close it looks or jagged and messy like the guys face you ordered fast food from but from afar it looks polished, smooth and immaculate like a the faces in a KPOP band

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##### Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: 20 years to get to Alpha Centauri
« on: June 09, 2021, 05:55:21 AM »
Although honestly I think the only way we will travel is uploading information. If humanity survives long enough to essentially download our minds into computers perhaps we can upload that information into the void. Although if there are no receivers on the other end, we will just sail for eternity. Or fragment into essentially nothing thanks to the inverse square law

Pretty much this.  Space travel is just too long, too expensive, and until you are harnessing the power of other stars and dismantling planets, carrying humans with life support and food and everything else is going to just be far too hard compared to sending a small and compact computer. Sending copies of human minds or pure AIs is going the be the way to go.

Of course, my belief is once we can upload into a computer, we then have the ability to easily modify our own minds to change or enhance them and it's going to take about 5 minutes before anyone uploaded into a computer isn't recognizably human anymore. Why keep human limitations if you can just press a button and get rid of all those pesky limits?

No idea if that will be a good or bad thing, but probably bad.

Uploading into a computer may make the care about traveling to another planet redundant. Inside a computer you can make your own universe simulator. You do not have to operate on the same laws of time. 1 second in the real world could be years of experience in a simulation. Although it means our lives are dependent on the conditions of our own planet (natural disasters damaging the infrastructure, the sun swelling into a red giant).

I imagine we'll be trying to make reality many of the 'thought experiments' we currently do. Provided we dont all blow each other up of course

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##### Technology, Science & Alt Science / Re: I won Heiwa's €1,000,000 challenge
« on: June 09, 2021, 05:10:25 AM »
There is nothing there on the Moon that you cannot see from Earth. You sound like being blind. What shall you do with your Helium 3 on the Moon?

https://www.explainingthefuture.com/helium3.html

Helium 3 could be very useful if we can get it back to Earth. The desire should breed innovation to set up mines and bring it back to Earth. Perhaps if this is done later and you're still alive, one of the miners could pick up your 'prize' LOL

Though something tells me the cheque would bounce
Well, before Tritium/Helium 3 is imported from the Moon, we have to ensure that Helium 3 can provide energy by fusion on Earth. http://heiwaco.com/chall3.htm  I offer since many years a prize for it but nobody collects.
I have already given away millions to cheer up people, but there is still plenty in the bank.

Given away millions? Who too and when?
My daughters! All the time!

All the time you say?

Ahhh, that explains why you can only afford instant coffee these days

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