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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Looking for an intelligent argument.
« on: August 27, 2008, 02:24:58 PM »
Ive just dived into this thread. Havent read the whole thing. I dont really think I can give intelligent arguments but one can try..

FE: Its about acceleration. DE accelerates earth. But more than fex stuff on earth, like people. Thats why earth accelerates into us when where in air. When "falling" we actually just decrease our speed upwards thus it feels like falling. Ok that is clear.

So here is my first question. How does DE affect mass differently? I guess that it affects more mass more. Earth is obviously more mass than water, air, schooners and so on. So the power of acceleration must be at largest.. yes where?

Which leads to the second question. How is the underside of earth, kept in place? Why isnt it torn apart downwards? Or maybe it does but slowly? Or made of really strong material at the bottom? Or the bottom is the most dense part, so thats where accelerating force is strongest?

Look ma, no math!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: On RE g varies
« on: August 27, 2008, 02:00:36 PM »
Who said that the earth's spinning affects the moon's gravity (gravitation)?  RET says that because of tidal locking, the earth's spinning affects the moon's orbit, but not the moon's gravity (gravitation).

I dont know. Im ignoring narc, regardless of thread. He is immature, a troll, and have way to much time on his hands.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Bendy light: The maths
« on: August 27, 2008, 05:25:15 AM »
A conspiracy only exists if you believe in it. Stop believe in the conspiracy and it will go away.

ps. FE is a conspiracy too. Motive? To make money. How? Generating traffic, pr, exposure and getting followers.. What sick cult are you planning to build FE'ers?!

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: On RE g varies
« on: August 27, 2008, 05:17:08 AM »
Something about torque on the distorted shape caused by the gravitation to each other.

What is the matter with that?

Nah, just wanted to know. Fex could one build a model of FE from meassured g in different places.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Expiraments
« on: August 26, 2008, 01:11:23 PM »
Feet? Miles? Stones? Plague? Sheep?

Lets all use metric system! Its very simple to calculate with, it has the base of 10.
I cant believe large portions of the world still refuse the metric system..

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Expiraments
« on: August 26, 2008, 12:55:28 PM »
TheEngineer is a pilot and he has attested that he's never seen any curvature.

Really? That must be awsome, being a FE'er pilot. I can imagine very heated discussions with other pilots. Are he a hobby pilot, or a airline pilot?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Expiraments
« on: August 26, 2008, 11:20:33 AM »
And: Most wide angle lenses creates that effect. You need around a 50mm lens to get the same perspective as human eye.

Edit: small format camera. "35"

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: The Expiraments
« on: August 26, 2008, 11:16:38 AM »
This clearly looks round to me.

Not round enough. Crappy image, it should have shown more of the horizon..

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: On RE g varies
« on: August 26, 2008, 11:12:49 AM »
Hello again. I would like to know more about dark energy..
How is earth being pushed by DE? To visualize it: would it "bulge" the timespace fabric?
Does it affect matter in the same way, but opposite, that regular matter does?
Does DE work as radiation or waves or.. I really dont know what Im talking about. ;)

The point Im looking for is, could DE affect different parts of FE differently? Like it passes trough, as it does to bend the light (?). And then affect objects on earth more or less..

To explain why fex altitude, and geology in RE changes g.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Gravitational field of earth
« on: August 26, 2008, 10:56:46 AM »
It is my view that the Earth's gravitation cancels out the centripetal force.

Is there a model from that theory around here somewhere?
Otherwise it would be cool if someone created one. Using the proposed centripetal force as basis (?).

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« on: August 26, 2008, 10:48:20 AM »
If the light bends that 2 rays of light would hit your eye at exactly the same angle at exactly the same point of the eye if you are looking right downwards.

Why? Depends on the height doesnt it?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Gravitational field of earth
« on: August 26, 2008, 12:40:42 AM »
Rotation is not a relative concept, and the Earth is rotating once every 23 minutes 56 seconds, or with an angular velocity of 7.3 * 10-5 s-1.

That is sweet. What about the centripetal force? The FE radius and speed must give a lot of that force near the edges.

I see two paths.
The first one is that the rotation itself causes "gravity", that somehow cancels out the centripetal force.

The second one is that earth is concave. That explains why water isnt dragged out to the edges. And why youre not "pulled" straight down with "gravity", but also sideways, making it feel that earth is tilting. 

I like the earth being concave (CE! hehe). But it means that light has to be even more bent than on FE.

Im not trying to prove anything, just want to excerice those lazy grays.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: On RE g varies
« on: August 26, 2008, 12:17:59 AM »
Hi JOSEf!

Dont be childish.

Hi Josef,
I direct you to the title and subject of this thread. In said context...

How does the earths spinning affect the moons gravity, which is based on the same gravitational constant, g?
Does RET really assert this?

You should be a politician, if youre not already. ;)
Please answer straight, instead of answering with another question.
What is it that you dont understand about the topic?

well?

If you think Im going to stay up all night waiting for your replies, then you take yourself a little bit too serious..

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« on: August 26, 2008, 12:10:31 AM »
Quote
Tom. Please post photos from Rowbotham's experiments for us to compare.
Rowbotham would have had a hard time taking photographs at the time of his experiment.

Exactly.
Thats why I suggest that you go out and make the exact same experiments as Rowbotham. Be sure to take pictures.

Quote
Do you know where Table Bay is?
I sure do.
http://www.capespirit.com/Table%20Bay.jpg

Good boy. Now please explain how you know this bay was without waves or swells at the time of the experiment. Once again, define your sense of 'calm'.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« on: August 25, 2008, 04:23:16 PM »


The first quote doesn't even tell us where the observation was conducted, while the second quote tells us that Winship's observation was made in a bay. Inland bays are very often calmer in nature than the open ocean.

Youre in a corner and you fight bravely but youre in a desperate position. Thats why you keep guessing and inventing as you go along.

Do you know what a bay is? Do you know what a barque is? Do you know where Table Bay is?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« on: August 25, 2008, 04:11:04 PM »
Tom. Please post photos from Rowbotham's experiments for us to compare.

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The Lounge / Re: Nature: proof the world is flat.
« on: August 25, 2008, 03:39:45 PM »
mods. Please move or lock this childish thread?  

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: On RE g varies
« on: August 25, 2008, 03:29:05 PM »
How does the earths spinning affect the moons gravity, which is based on the same gravitational constant, g?
Does RET really assert this?

Do you speak in FET or RET now?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: On RE g varies
« on: August 25, 2008, 03:23:10 PM »
Please explain how the g is affected by the earths rotation.

On RE: centrifugal force at the equator. Thats why RE in RET has a slight bigger radius at the equator.

On FE: Yeah, that was kind of my question to you.

Please note that by 'g' i mean 'apparent gravity' or 'effective gravity'. The kind that can be measured quite easy. Guess you dont like that sort?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: On RE g varies
« on: August 25, 2008, 03:15:43 PM »
Wait, how many earths are we talking about?

Are you trying to be clever and confuse me to death?
Im talking about this FE that we both are on.
How fast is it spinning?
And what does it have to do with varying g on FE?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: On RE g varies
« on: August 25, 2008, 03:11:01 PM »
By gravity, he means downward acceleration (which is mostly due to gravity).
The nearer you go to the equator, the larger the centripetal acceleration, making gravity seem weaker (but this is somewhat counterbalanced by the equitorial bulge).

Just a note. Ive never said gravity..

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: On RE g varies
« on: August 25, 2008, 01:41:06 PM »
The earth's spin changes the gravity?
I think you're getting your macro and micro physics very confused.

While youre at it. How fast are the earth spinning?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« on: August 25, 2008, 01:37:40 PM »
If light bends as FE says it does, then shouldn't the boat appear higher than the water?


Hm.. But light from the boat emits in all directions.
Try to change the illustration but draw the lightpaths that hits the viewers eye.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: On RE g varies
« on: August 25, 2008, 01:33:12 PM »

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Flat Earth Debate / On RE g varies
« on: August 25, 2008, 01:29:21 PM »
Ive just thought of something.. In RE, g varies from where you are. It is affected by earths rotation, topography and density of mass, and more?

Since FE accelerates through space to achieve g, it should have the same g all over the surface. Right?

What are the explanations..
1. Conspiracy and false data?
2. Other bodies with pull?
3. Uneven FE body that lets trough dark energy more or less?

Edit:
To avoid further confusion: With 'g' I mean 'apparent gravity'. The 'weight' of you standing on ground fex.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Gravitational field of earth
« on: August 25, 2008, 01:12:59 PM »
This is a good question. I personally feel a FE model with a rotating earth exhibiting gravitation is more likely, but I'd be interested to hear the opinions of those FEers who think the Earth does not have a gravitational field.

How fast do you think the earth is rotating? Relative to the solarearthsystem.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« on: August 25, 2008, 01:05:14 PM »
If you are in plane you see that your bending light theory suxx big time.

If the earth was flat and you are look just right into the ground beneath you you would see a lot of things at the similiar place if the earth would be flat and light would curve up.

So start thinking first and then try to be a scientist.



Classiest illustration to date!

To your thoughts. The light is not bent more than it creates the same effect as the curvature on RE. So I think the visual effect would be the same as RE.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: A proposed experiment for testing bending light.
« on: August 25, 2008, 06:43:45 AM »
If that's the experiment you want to run, flesh it out a bit more and set it up. If you plan on doing it, start your own thread. I'm just looking for feedback here. If you have none to give stop posting here.

I just gave you feedback. Why so ungrateful?

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: Sinking Ship experiment Results
« on: August 25, 2008, 06:35:34 AM »
The Winship and Teed experiments which restored the hulls of ships when viewed through a telescope, of which you are referring to, were conducted on calm bodies of water such as lakes: http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/cc/cc21.htm

Please define 'calm'. I dont know how much you know about sailing. But you cant really sail without any wind...

Tom and narc. You two are embarrasing yourself and FET. Robosteve, divito, theengineer and so on.. They keep this site pumping. Im looking forward to the completion of the bent light theory.

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Flat Earth Debate / Re: A proposed experiment for testing bending light.
« on: August 25, 2008, 06:08:51 AM »
Another expirement idea:

Get to a really high tower/building, measure the height from ground. Point a laser to north horizon. Have one person at that horizon look at the laser and measure the angle to ground and laser. Do the same thing over again but to the south. At the tower, measure the angle.

Now, you have triangles with angles, and shadow objects on a known height.

No need to string up anything to anything.

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